On 5/5/23 15:50, Mike Hammett wrote:
Anyone publicly traded doesn't plan longer than the current quarter.
A phenomenon not unique to them - private companies suffer the same issue.
Mark.
On 5/5/23 19:02, Jared Brown wrote:
You can get 100G optics for less than half those prices.
For reference, here are publicly listed prices for optics from an European
vendor I have in production:
100G 4WDM & CLR4 QSFP28
* 10 km
* 225€
100GBASE-LR4 & OTU4 & 128GFC QSFP28
* 20km
*305€
On 5/5/23 15:49, Mike Hammett wrote:
Incumbents are great at momentum. They're not great at innovation,
customer experience, etc. They only reason most incumbents are still
relevant is due to their prior market size.
Most true, and even then, there is a visible change to the bottom line
On 5/5/23 13:04, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
Hi Mark,
Thanks a lot for many of your valuable comments I almost always agree.
1.I agree that 50GE has not got the same popularity as 100GE. Many
vendors did ignore it for some time. Looks like not many ignore it now.
2.Even in your example for
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On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:04 AM Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
wrote:
> But the last time I looked, it's also ARIN's policy to require ISPs
> (which Aptum is) to SWIP addresses in order to justify future requests
> for address space. I'm curious what will happen the next time they
> ask for
> On May 2, 2023, at 5:11 PM, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote:
>
> I’ve seen proposals for an LSR MPLS/ROADAM type solution, where imagine you
> are at a hop where in a long distance system solution, you would end up with
> OEO, but instead you get directionality capability with an IP/MPLS
Forrest Christian (List Account) writes:
> I can't speak for aptum, but I'm curious as to why this is important to
> you? I'm not trying to discount this at all, just curious why this
> matters in the internet of 2023.
Two main reasons.
1) We are trying to set up internal peering with AWS,
On 5/4/2023 9:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I can't speak for aptum, but I'm curious as to why this is important
to you?
SWIP'ing or delegating address space is a requirement of the contract
signed with ARIN when the addresses were granted. If you route a /24 to
a customer
On 5/5/23, Mark Tinka wrote:
> Juxtapose that against 100Gbps pricing:
>
> * EUR473 @ 10km.
> * EUR1,300 @ 25km.
> * EUR1,500 @ 30km.
> * EUR2,600 @ 40km.
> * EUR3,925 @ 80km.
You can get 100G optics for less than half those prices.
For reference, here are publicly listed prices for optics
Most backbone providers operate networks like this internally for their own SLA
monitoring, which you can purchase, but what motivation would there be for
someone to offer such services for free? After all, you can’t put an ad on a
ping :-)
-mel beckman
On May 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, Dmitriy A.
Hey all, I have a niche problem and wanted to get some feedback and ideas.
I am trying to find some global networks that accept ICMP requests that I
can use to ping and based on the packet loss try to understand if the
client is having connectivity issues or uses an unreliable internet
There are places in the world (like Middle East) where telephony system did not
exist historically.
Then no copper, then no ducts.
Then new fiber is very difficult.
But much more places where the Telephony system did exist.
Ed/
From: Mike Hammett [mailto:na...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Friday, May 5,
The SWIP stuff I cleaned up included stuff from the pre-2000 period when
the internet was a kinder, gentler place. NAT also wasn't a thing so if
a company had 1000 PCs you allocated them multiple /24s. So SWIP was a
thing.And yes, it was how you justified more space.
Once NAT happened
Anyone publicly traded doesn't plan longer than the current quarter.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Mark Tinka"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2023 6:10:36 AM
Subject:
Incumbents are great at momentum. They're not great at innovation, customer
experience, etc. They only reason most incumbents are still relevant is due to
their prior market size.
Around here, the incumbent telcos still have lead-sheathed cables in the
ground, not removing anything. Often,
The only real reason I can think that you would want space SWIPed to you is if
you are trying to get an allocation of your own and trying to prove you have
existing space to renumber out of.
In 25 years of working for ISPs I don’t think I’ve ever worked for one that
SWIPed IP space of any size
Hi Mark,
Thanks a lot for many of your valuable comments I almost always agree.
1. I agree that 50GE has not got the same popularity as 100GE. Many
vendors did ignore it for some time. Looks like not many ignore it now.
2. Even in your example for 40km, 100GE is about twice more
On 5/5/23 10:54, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:
50GE is better just because it is half of the cost of 100GE and it is
enough now for the great majority of cases. Money is very important
these days for this industry. 100GE single mode is more expensive than
the best router port itself. Routers have
You are right, my “Metro” definition is about ISP/Carriers.
Mobile or Fixed, despite pure Mobiles would like to call it MBH – it has much
less traffic (Mobile subscribers would always have 7x less than fixed).
It is still the place where the majority of port capacity lives. Because all
content
On 5/5/23 07:57, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote:
Disclaimer: Metaverse has not changed Metro traffic yet. Then …
I am puzzled when people talk about 400GE and Tbps in the Mero context.
For historical reasons, Metro is still about 2*2*10GE (one “2” for
redundancy, another “2” for
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