Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare)

On Wednesday 27 July 2016 07:58:49 Paras Jha wrote: > Hi Justin, > > I have submitted abuse reports in the past, maybe from 2014 - 2015, but I > gave up after I consistently did not even get replies and saw no action > being taken. It is the same behavior with other providers who host malware >

Re: 1GE L3 aggregation

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 12:43, Saku Ytti wrote: > Last I checked you can't commit/replace configuration in VRP. Has this > changed? Can you give it full new config and expect it to figure out > how to apply the new config without breaking existing? ... later... > Yeah it's best I've seen. 8-10k

Re: Webmail / IMAPS software for end-user clients in 2016

>From AfterLogic you may use the following webmail clients: - without calendar -> WebMail-lite PHP - with personal calendar -> WebMail PHP - with calendar and full sharing exchange style -> Aurora On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Guillaume Tournat wrote: > Zimbra is a

Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016, at 23:55, jim deleskie wrote: > Damian, I HIGHLY doubt regular folks are running into issues with this, I > suspect its not even geeks in general having issues, I suspect 80% plus of > those having issues spend most of their time complaining about something > related to v6 and

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco ASA Software IKEv1 and IKEv2 Buffer Overflow Vulnerability

1.0.0.36_32 obj-1.0.0.36_32 > destination static obj-1.0.0.36_32 obj-1.0.0.36_32 *no-proxy-arp* > route-lookup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > _ > > Roberto Taccon > > > > e-mail:

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco ASA Software IKEv1 and IKEv2 Buffer Overflow Vulnerability

Solved ! "Disable Proxy ARP" must be checked on NAT bypass rules (former nat 0). On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Adrian M <adrian.mi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Be careful, It appears that something is broken with ARP on this release. > We have no ARP on lan interface,

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco Security Advisory: Cisco ASA Software IKEv1 and IKEv2 Buffer Overflow Vulnerability

Be careful, It appears that something is broken with ARP on this release. We have no ARP on lan interface, and somebody else has a similar problem: https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/433kqx/cisco_asa_not_recording_an_arp_entry/ On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:36 PM, Sadiq Saif

whois.radb.net down ?

whois.radb.net 43 Trying 207.75.117.18... ^C -- Best regards, Adrian Minta

RE: What happened to Schprokits?

it looks like (according to linkedin) that Jeremy has moved to a stealth startup. -a Adrian Beaudin Principal Architect, Special Projects Nominum, Inc. o: +1.650.587.1513 adrian.beau...@nominum.com From: NANOG [nanog-boun...@nanog.org] on behalf

Re: AOL Postmaster

The quickest way of contacting the AOL Mail Team I'm aware of is through their Twitter account at @AOLMail (https://twitter.com/AOLMail). Tell them @6 sent you. ;) Cordially, A - ~~ vox: +1 202 459 9800 x.1300 // secure: +1 410 874 0050 (phone

Re: scaling linux-based router hardware recommendations

what has come out of the DPDK related stuff is, well, the bar is set very high now. Now it's up to the open source groups to stop messing around and do something about it. If you're interested in more of this stuff, go poke Jim at pfsense/netgate. -adrian (This and RSS work is plainly in my

Re: Linux router traffic monitoring, how? netflow?

regards, Adrian Minta

Re: Cisco CCNA Training

This guy got funding and made a free series that teaches CCNA. I'm not sure how good it is, but it's free. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmdYg02XJt6QRQfYjyQcMPfS3mrSnFbRC http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/25mmoo/a_year_ago_i_asked_for_help_to_produce_a_free/ On Sun, Nov 2, 2014

Re: Marriott wifi blocking

apparently continuously sending client deauth packets to any non-Marriott access points within range. Adrian

Re: BGPMON Alert Questions

but BGPMon for data collection purposes. -- Best regards, Adrian Minta

Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica

and I know I could not fund a build out for that price. I take it you have not been a service provider for a while? Thanks to its removal from the tariff list, that $4 DSL pair from the ILEC for a third party ISP now costs $34... That doesn't include ISP cost. Adrian

Re: 10gbps peering subscriber switch recommendation

Good morning, We're in the market to move our IX peering off of our core (too much BGP/CPU :-/ ) and onto a dedicated switch. Brocade ICX 7750 Switch seems to satisfy all the requirements. -- Best regards, Adrian Minta

Re: anybody seeing mail problems sending to yahoo.com? (and a yahoo email contact?)

than once) -- Best regards, Adrian Minta

Re: ddos attacks

Hi, You can also test WANGUARD, http://www.andrisoft.com/ for DDoS detection and BGP triggered blackholing. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.netwrote: Hi, You can also take a look at http://www.packetdam.com/ for DDoS protection. Eugeniu On Thu, Dec 19,

Re: abha ahuja

whatever we talked about. It was inspiring. I had just turned 21 shortly before this happened. I had just moved back to Australia and we had been keeping in touch. Then, this. It was very sobering. Sigh. -adrian (hi all!)

Re: huawei

-for-backdoor-in-us-military-chip Adrian

Re: Data Center Installations

- Graybar/Tesco Electrical (power) - Local electrical shops/Home depot Adrian

Re: Micro Trenching for Fiber Optic Deployment

watching it being done for new pulls into existing developments. No need for digging up yards/sidewalks/parking lots, just a bunch of potholes at the new junction box locations and a single horizontal bore down the property line from the street, intercepting each of the potholes. Adrian

Re: Micro Trenching for Fiber Optic Deployment

... Adrian

Re: earthquake in Japan right now

http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=d8c6cebb80c5dbfbhl=engl=USsource=web On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, JP Viljoen froztb...@froztbyte.net wrote: On 07 Dec 2012, at 10:33 AM, Seiichi Kawamura kawamu...@mesh.ad.jp wrote: FYI, another big earthquake in Japan just now. M7.3 Inland

RE: carping about CARP

definitions. Adrian

Re: Eaton 9130 UPS feedback

... Well, one network management card that lost its mind, reset the configuration and went on with life, but the UPS just chugged along. Biggest plus has been that they don't cook their batteries like APCs do. Adrian

RE: Inter-domain OTN, does it happen in the real world?

Will, I think you also need to consider the case where one operator runs more than one network. This can happen because of acquisition or administrative structure. I regret it might also happen because of vendor equipment compatibility/lock-in issues. Cheers, Adrian -Original Message

IETF's PIM Working Group conducting deployment survey

. Adrian

Re: Throw me a IPv6 bone (sort of was IPv6 ignorance)

On 24 Sep 2012, at 17:57, Tore Anderson tore.ander...@redpill-linpro.com wrote: * Tore Anderson I would pay very close attention to MAP/4RD. FYI, Mark Townsley had a great presentation about MAP at RIPE65 today, it's 35 minutes you won't regret spending:

Re: Throw me a IPv6 bone (sort of was IPv6 ignorance)

On 24 Sep 2012, at 22:42, Mike Jones m...@mikejones.in wrote: While you could do something similar without the encapsulation this would require that every router on your network support routing on port numbers, Well, not really. As the video pointed out, the system was designed to leverage

Re: IPv6 Ignorance

On 17 Sep 2012, at 13:28, John Mitchell mi...@illuminati.org wrote: snip Given that the first 3 bits of a public IPv6 address are always 001, giving /48 allocations to customers means that service providers will only have 2^(48-3) or 2^45 allocations of /48 to hand out to a population

Re: IPv6 Ignorance

Hi, On 17 Sep 2012, at 15:02, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 17/09/2012 14:37, Adrian Bool wrote: It seems a tad unfair that the bottom 80 bits are squandered away with a utilisation rate of something closely approximating zero You are thinking in ipv4 mode. In ipv6 mode

Re: IPv6 Ignorance

, allowing them construct their addressing plan in a logical, hierarchal manner whilst allowing for growth - and most importantly ensuring they only advertise a single route into the global routing table. Kind regards, Adrian

Re: Level3 (3356/3549) changes routing policy

Better to use communities instead. On Aug 2, 2012 11:34 AM, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: From my observation Level3 has recently changed their routing policy. It seems that 3356 always prefers customer prefixes of 3549, regardless of the AS path length. Example (seen from 3356):

Re: using reserved IPv6 space

On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:11, Tom Cooper wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:05 AM, TJ trej...@gmail.com wrote: As an IPv6 newbie myself, I wonder how hosts handle link local, ULA and global addresses. For example, if you have some internal web traffic used for intranet use only, do you bind

Re: Attack on the DNS ?

We already have this type of attack in Bucharest/Romania since last Friday. The targets where IP's of some local webhosters, but at one moment we event saw IP's from Go Daddy. Tcpdump will show something like: 11:10:41.447079 IP target open_resolver_ip.53: 80+ [1au] ANY? isc.org. (37)

Re: Dear RIPE: Please don't encourage phishing

? http://www.google.com/url?q=http://faq.ssl.com/article.aspx%3Fid%3D10068sa=Uei=JcI1T_DRKJDXiAKauoSvCgved=0CBgQFjABusg=AFQjCNHSmrhtgWQczEe1j0LhdMdUW5x4LA So much for looking at what mouse-over shows Adrian

Re: 10G switchrecommendaton

Cisco has finally release a new 10G switch, Catalyst 4500-X: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps12332/index.html Does anyone know the price range, or the FCS date for this ?

Re: Prefix hijacking by Michael Lindsay via Internap

.. Adrian

Re: Business Ethernet Services

On 06/17/11 21:55, Elliot Finley wrote: Anyone using a CPE that is reliable and costs= $300 ? features needed: SFP for uplink, QnQ, basic layer 2 functionality. If you're using something with the above parameters and you like it, please share. :) Thanks, Elliot Something like Zyxel

Re: New vyatta-nsp list

. The real fun will be when open source freebsd/linux stops trying to do per-flow tracking and optimises their forwarding paths. From what I've heard on the lists, NICs are certainly doing small packet linerate now. Adrian

Re: Ham Radio Networking (was Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space)

... We've come a little way since NOS. Linux has native AX25, and it's pretty simple to write a KISS adapter for any version of UNIX with a tun driver. .. except at such low bit rates, the extra IPv6 header size is not insignificant? Adrian

Re: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possible with today's technology.

as given above, they may be better equipped to ask more specific (and useful!) questions. HTH, Adrian

Re: coprorations using BGP for advertising prefixes in mid-1990s

On Fri, May 13, 2011, Hank Nussbacher wrote: I always liked seeing the string tli in the IOS bundle in those days. Whoa, you mean Cisco IOS images have built by names other than prod rel team ? (heh.) Adrian

Re: OPERATIONAL: Royal Wedding expected to break traffic records

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011, Jay Ashworth wrote: (cough)multicast(cough) But... but... how do we count the viewers, then? With HTML cookies and AJAX, like everyone else[1]. Adrian [1] and small embedded flash apps in small frames. Hi Facebook.

Re: Bandwidth growth

If it's a true research project, wouldn't you really be interested in both evidence for/against? :-) Just my 2c here, Adrian On Wed, Apr 20, 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Curran, David wrote: I'm interested in any evidence (even anecdotal) that general

Re: The growth of municipal broadband networks

, privatised-but-not-quite, etc? Adrian

AS7007 incident - would someone please fix the article?

and well-referenced? My article was definitely not written to be used as any form of source, primary or otherwise. :-) Thanks! Adrian

Re: US Warships jamming Lebanon Internet

to see what the kind of interference is? Adrian

Re: US Warships jamming Lebanon Internet

On Tue, Feb 08, 2011, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: On Tuesday 08 February 2011 14:18:59 Adrian Chadd wrote: On Tue, Feb 08, 2011, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: I try to install C-Band bandpass filter, no effect at all, so it is in-band interference. Putting foil (yes i try almost

Re: 802.11g with WPA-PSK

if it's running a recent net80211 stack, you'll need to create a vap sttion interface first eg, ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev rum0 then do stuff to wlan0, not rum0. Adrian On Sun, Feb 06, 2011, Atticus wrote: Im not familiar with wpa_supplicant, but you can preface external commands

Re: ipv4's last graph

endlessly on lists and in presos. I think having a graph that reached full and stays there will be quite powerful. :) Adrian

Re: quietly....

s/IPv6/ATM/g Just saying... Adrian On Tue, Feb 01, 2011, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 1 feb 2011, at 13:01, Owen DeLong wrote: IPv4 is very dead in the sense that it's not going to go anywhere in the future. taking the long view - your statement applies equally to IPv6

Re: Using IPv6 with prefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN

that the IPv6 address space will forever remain that - only unique host identifiers - I think is disingenious at best. :-) Adrian On Tue, Jan 25, 2011, Owen DeLong wrote: I love this term... repetitively sweeping a targets /64. Seriously? Repetitively sweeping a /64? Let's do the math... 2^64

Re: Routing Suggestions

rout path if the XC is down. (Assuming the prefixes are both public IPv4/6 space to begin with.) Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $24/pm+GST entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -

Re: Routing Suggestions

-connects get bitten by this. :-) Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $24/pm+GST entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -

Re: The tale of a single MAC

.. :-) Adrian On Sat, Jan 01, 2011, Graham Wooden wrote: Hi there, I encountered an interesting issue today and I found it so bizarre ? so I thought I would share it. I brought online a spare server to help offload some of the recent VMs that I have been deploying. Around the same time

Re: Muni Fiber Last Mile - a contrary opinion

is, not enough noise was made about that in the Australian National Broadband Plan until late in the game. I'm patiently waiting for a time when a major power outage incident occurs and the cellular network system locally fails. Adrian

[OT]: WCCPv2 and gige?

that level of behaviour. So, is anyone using WCCPv2 redirection on gige and 10ge interfaces, and mind sharing with me the equipment/configuration/IOS version? Thanks, Adrian

Re: Some truth about Comcast - WikiLeaks style

When was the last time USPS delivered you a 100 pound UPS unit over night from across the country while letting you track it's progress? Trouble is, now they can't. Why? Because they'd be threatening the jobs of hard working Fedex/UPS/etc. employees. :-) Adrian (only half tongue in cheek here.)

Re: Mastercard problems

version? Be careful - plenty of Squid's make HTTP/1.0 version. ProTip: be careful. :-) Adrian -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $24/pm+GST entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -

Re: Mastercard problems

On Thu, Dec 09, 2010, Adrian Chadd wrote: Be careful - plenty of Squid's make HTTP/1.0 version. make HTTP/1.0 requests, not version. Tsk. (And here I am, studying linguistics. Pshaw.) Adrian

Re: Over a decade of DDOS--any progress yet?

Botnets are the symptom. The real problem is people. Adrian On Wed, Dec 08, 2010, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: Other than trying to hide your real address, what can be done to prevent DDOS in the first place. DDoS is just a symptom

Re: Over a decade of DDOS--any progress yet?

On Wed, Dec 08, 2010, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 11:52 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: The real problem is people. Well, yes - but short of mass bombardment, eliminating people doesn't scale very well, and is generally frowned upon. ; I think history can conclusively state

Re: U.S. officials deny technical takedown of WikiLeaks

occured with anyone. I hear that kind of thing happens today. Adrian

Re: Want to move to all 208V for server racks

crafting some simultaneous equations to solve/graph would be very very eye-opening. Come on guys/girls, you're a bright bunch, post some models and discuss those rather than un-substantiated datapoints! :-) 2c, Adrian

suggestion network devices

Hi all I need high laten cy network devices products. eg: router/switch/firewall Can you share to me? and How can I test it also? Thank you so much

Re: wikileaks unreachable

some of the nanog members in person at a Nanog conference should I ever attend I think you've got it backwards. See if he's actively like this in person. Email ... changes things with communication. Adrian

Re: Emulating a cellular interface

the damned session nailed up to fast. :-) Adrian

Re: Token ring? topic hijack: was Re: Mystery open source switching

playing with, and some weird attempt at shoe-horning in a cell phone into a Palm Pilot (or the other way around? I'm not sure. I'm still not sure.) Oh you mean, your apple airport, apple macbook, and apple iphone? AH. Now I see why you think you're in the future. :-) Adrian

Re: IPv6 rDNS

. rmac.psg.com:/Users/randy host 2001:418:1::61 Host 1.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.0.0.8.1.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) But Randy, everyone has a web browser installed. Not everyone has perl, python, cc, or such installed. :-) Adrian (I wonder if FreeBSD-1.0's

Re: DDOS attack via as702 87.118.210.122

:AS702 as-name:AS702 descr: Verizon Business EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe ... Adrian computer:~ me$ whois as702 SNIP No match for AS702. Last update of whois database: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:47:47 UTC Regards. Cutler On Oct 26, 2010

Re: Failover IPv6 with multiple PA prefixes (Was: IPv6 fc00::/7 - Unique local addresses)

going to be needed, but it's going to be more stateful inspection-y than most of the vocal nanog+ipv6 people desire. :) Adrian

Re: IPv4 sunset date revised : 2009-02-05

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: The IPv4 space here was retired in 2009. We love the IVI translator code. Whats keeping the rest of you? Just hazarding a guess: router# conf t router(config)# ipv6 ivi enable router(config)# ^Z Adrian

Re: IPv6 fc00::/7 ? Unique local addresses

that people simply select ULA prefixes randomly and don't start doing linear allocations from the beginning of the ULA range. Adrian

Re: Routers in Data Centers

this to the contrary? Isn't someone from Google presenting at NANOG about this? Adrian

Re: Routers in Data Centers

gap between works and works in practice. The only way to get ops ready stuff is to work with open source people to make it actually work in your environment rather than what works for them. :-) (Or you could wait for Google - but doesn't that make you beholden to them as your vendor? :) Adrian

Re: Online games stealing your bandwidth

this...) less than legal, it's of questionable legality and the ISPs would not want to be held liable for the content cached there? I don't recall any protocols being standard. Plenty of people sell p2p caches but they all work using magic, smoke and mirrors. Adrian -- - Xenion - http

Complain to your vendors (was Re: Did your BGP crash today?)

dare you. :) 2c, Adrian

Re: Idea's for donating/recycling server hardware [Off-Topic]

Hi It seems like a waste to send it to metal scrap, if anyone has a more creative way of disposal please contact me off list. Local to San Francisco. What about http://www.freecycle.org/ ?

Re: Proxy Server

pfSense has everything: proxy (squid), firewall, bw-management, captive portal and a very nice web interface for management: www.pfsense.org

Re: Appliance Vs Software based routers

; but it (used) to be possible to run PIX software on a PC (and in a VM too, IIRC.) Fun times, Adrian On Sun, Jul 25, 2010, Tarig Yassin wrote: Dear all Greetings I'm wondering why the software based router is not preferable in business even if they have high featured Processers

Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Companies

On Wed, Jul 07, 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a bunch of old systems? I think you've misunderstood the question if you think openbsd on old systems is the answer. :) Adrian

Re: Question about Manycore processor- Tilera

There's been plenty of multi-dimensional processor interconnects over the years. You should do some further research. :) Adrian (hypercube-connected O2000, anyone?) On Tue, Jul 06, 2010, ?? wrote: Hello, all. I am not sure is it suitable or not that I ask this question here. My

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

my squid fork onto it and making it work right. :) Adrian My modular router would be rather unique in that the interface to the pluggable WAN modules would not be PCI or anything of that sort, instead it would be the 7-wire serial interface coming from an MPC866 SCC, and there would be 4

Re: [Nanog-futures] Membership, was Transition update

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010, Adrian Chadd wrote: Hypothetically speaking, if I were currently engaged in this business, I'd pay. Both for the ability to ask questions and the ability to be asked questions by a sensible group of people with similar goals (ie, non-trolling) in mind[1]. And to follow

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

drinking age? Adrian (Before you go That's not relevant to the discussion, think again. Hard.)

Re: Junos Asymmetric Routing

function in PF). This works extremely well That keeps per-connection state. Be aware of the repercussions! Adrian

Re: Junos Asymmetric Routing

, ethernet active/standby, etc a specific way and this is not how traditional routing/edge devices behave. :) Adrian

MikroTik strikes again ?

MikroTik strikes again ? %BGP-6-ASPATH: Long AS path ... 39412 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625 39625

Re: the alleged evils of NAT, was Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

a popular web site on the IPv6 Internet, and I get all the addresses of connected hosts I want. That address-space-scanning is hard is nearly irrelevant. or troll popular IPv6 bittorent end points when that becomes popular. Adrian

Re: Books for the NOC guys...

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010, Joly MacFie wrote: I also grabbed the list http://isoc-ny.org/wiki/Networking Thanks to all who contributed. Please feel free to add a link to the above url in the nanog wiki. j On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Adrian Chadd adr...@creative.net.au wrote: On Fri

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

scenarios and how to possibly gracefully recover from those. (eg, I've done some NAT hacks to detect idle HTTP pconns and toss those before tossing the others.) Adrian

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010, joel jaeggli wrote: my load balancer needs 16 ips for every million simultaneous connections, so does yours. Only because it hasn't broken the spec further. :) adrian

Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition FAQ

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010, Randy Bush wrote: i figure it'll be a fun community meeting i sf. i suggest we go back to serving the alcohol first. :) Two scotch minimum before participating in discussions? Adrian ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

be an annual fee and a contract for the space. ARIN is incidental, simply the RIR responsible in this case. Out of curiousity, I wonder whether the adoption of the internet in the 90s would have occured if IPv4 addresses were allocated, managed and controlled like they are today. Adrian

Re: legacy /8

not happen. Adrian

Re: Books for the NOC guys...

language related ranting. Adrian

security questions

Hi I have questions about security I am using mozila to access gmail as https://mail.google.com/mail Why mozilla prompts me the alert box? You have requested an encrypted page that contains some unencrypted information. Information that you see or enter on this page could easily be read by a

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