ng machine in the customer silo, for anyone desperate to
avoid cannibalism. ;-) ;-)
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won't contact you again." - Dire
went over 5GB, they ... capped him at a speed which allows him maybe
as much as 452GB/month?
% expr 150 / 8 \* 30 / 1024 \* 86400 / 1048576
452
I must be doing the math wrong or maybe I messed up reordering the
expr to avoid integer overflows...
150 bits per second / 8 bits per byte * 30 d
> I hope someone will explain the operational relevance
> of this ...
I don't know, but 50 people had snarfed the picture I posted within
30 minutes, a few hundred have by now, and it's the weekend.
Fun.
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r awhile and praying they spin up later
bothers me. :-) On the other hand, running Unison to a server someplace
else has obvious benefits and some downsides too. Backups remain a
tricky problem to get right.
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> On 08/12/2011 09:17 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> What nobody wired their abode with fiber ?
> >>
> >> Am i the only one here
> > I ran a bunch of fiber from the telco rack
>
> What's in the telco rack? This is in your house? What's on it?
Dema
is at least a little bit isolated from everything else.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n
nology isn't 100% perfect, but it's way awesomely
better than a paper list.
It'd be nice to be able to query the fridge to see what's in it.
So I don't expect that the fridge makers will do better ... this year,
or next. But in five or ten years? Yeah, maybe, probably eve
rtunately my filter predates NANOG's use of that so now I gotta
go fix it here.
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won't contact you again." - D
rnet-capable TV set
Internet-capable Blu-Ray player
Networkable TiVo
AppleTV
Video Game Console
Networked AV Receiver
UPS
and an uplink of course. 8 ports. Geez.
That keeps striking me as such a paradigm shift.
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&
> Joe Greco wrote:
> > that things are changing. The number of TV's in a household are going
> > up. Some can now stream directly to the TV. I have numerous devices
>
> How can it go up even more? I thought every bedroom and living room has
> one by now, in the
> Just as a toyota corolla perfectly fulfills the need to drive your
> toddlers around and drive to and from work. An SUV in almost all cases
> is added luxury.
My SUV carries seven passengers and allows me to haul gear including
conduit, lumber, ladders, etc. It's actively
o mention all the MP3 players, tablet computers, etc. Streaming
video is more demanding, certainly, but for a large family, what you
propose isn't necessarily way out there, especially if we think about
ten years down the road.
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t one
can reach a conclusion as to what the "proper rack" for this guy is,
but I can say that from my own experience, folks have provided a
very comprehensive set of options and a wealth of practical
experience that ought to move things in the right direction. It's
been enjoyable t
> Once upon a time, Joe Greco said:
> > Now of course we have no idea what's going to be mounted in this, but
> > it's an HP rack so I assume maybe HP servers, which tend towards the
> > heavy.
>
> One thing about using a 2-post rack for servers that can be
istributor:
SLIM 5 KNOCK DOWN 37 SP, 20" DEEP $275.99
MIDDLE ATLANTIC - U.S.
Found online:
http://salestores.com/apwmay2273.html $90.78
So I'm a little skeptical about that too.
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at these can be used as the
front and back of a single rack. Remember to tie them together if
you go that route, attachment to a wall or up top highly recommended
as well.
Of course, this only works if you didn't really need doors on your
rack, etc.
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nightmare to try to support random
VoIP gear, and they'd rather sell $29/month VoIP-to-a-POTS-jack service
because it's more profitable. That's an artificial constraint on the
market, that's not actually the market.
This is probably off-topic for NANOG at this point; I'm no
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Joe Greco"
>
> > With end-to-end digital, you can have reliable call supervision and
> > status, OOB Caller-ID delivery, crystal clear call quality, probably
> > the ability to handle multiple calls intelli
ant or need to go on; POTS *stinks* compared
to digital. I have no objection to you wanting your lines handed off as
POTS, but I'd like mine delivered digitally.
> For that matter I'd rather get
> rid of every digital phone in our business, they're a waste of mon
> >From: Joe Greco =0A>I have no idea why anyone would be =
> paying Ma Bell $69/month for a phone=0A>line, unless you like giving them y=
> our money or something.=0A=0AIn my neck of the woods (Washington DC), the P=
> OTS line is the one that works =0Aduring a=A0bad=A0pow
> On 2/28/2011 5:19 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast#Home_telephone
> >>> People are not, en-masse, going away from POTS and towards plugging a
> >>> VoIP device into the back of their router.
> > Twenty bucks says the first
ustomer, just aware of them as a reputable carrier
from the Asterisk community), and some of the cheapies like InPhoneX have
"World Unlimited" plans that work out to $20/month or thereabouts (again
not a customer).
I have no idea why anyone would be paying Ma Bell $69/month for a phone
lin
o legacy
POTS lines in the target residence.
In fact, I've had trouble finding any way to get our cable company to
hand off their telephony service digitally, making the claims of "digital
phone service" a little laughable as they still hand it off analog.
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air or accurate
to represent this as a lost POTS line, at least for some counts.
Kids have also moved towards cell phones and away from landlines as
the preferred method of communication, but you already mentioned
cell phones. Just wanted to point out that there's probably been a
huge loss of se
nection from the
cable company; they may share a bunch of poles, but at some point it
will diverge and you're largely guaranteed to be on somewhat different
equipment in the CO/headend, heh.
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"We call it the &#
our network to support that next
new hot protocol.
It may be better, however, and also simultaneously less disruptive in
the long run, to engineer a network that *can* implement that next, new
hot protocol and just use firewall policy to prevent it.
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ast DNS setup, using GNU's
> Zebra tool to automatically alter routing tables.
> http://www.netlinxinc.com/netlinx-blog/45-dns/118-introduction-to-anycast-dns.html
You wouldn't use Zebra; it isn't actively developed anymore and has
not been updated in many years. Use Quagga ins
a tool to add an ASN to the
Sendmail access file automatically.)
...
Oh, wait, you meant a problem for *Jeffrey.* Yes, that could be.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chanc
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> However, that's not the only potential use! =A0A client that initiates
> >> each new outbound connection from a different IP address is doing
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> >>> It has nothing to do with "security by obscurity".
> >>=20
> >> You may wish to re-read what Joe was saying - he was positing sparse =
> addres=3D
> >> sing as a positive go
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > There are numerous parallels between physical and electronic security.
> > Let's just concede that for a moment.
>
> I can't, and here's why:
>
> 1.In the physical world, attackers run a subst
ing to make it harder
for bad guys.
There are lots of security techniques that I don't like, too, or may
disapprove of for one reason or another. NAT anyone? :-)
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"We call it the 'one bite at th
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> ...
> > To say that "the endpoint *will be found*" is a truism, in the same
> > way that a bank *will* be robbed. =A0You're not trying to guarante
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> > Generally speaking, security professionals prefer for there to be more ro=
> adblocks rather than fewer. =20
>
> The soi-disant security 'professionals' who espouse layering unnecessary mu=
> ltiple, inef
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > However, that's not the only potential use! =A0A client that initiates
> > each new outbound connection from a different IP address is doing
> > something Really Good.
>
> No, Joe, it is not doing anything
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> > If you don't understand the value of such an increase in magnitude,
>
> I can count as well as you can, I assure you.
>
> > I invite you to switch all your ssh keys to 56 bit.
>
> The differ
0 bits of space to probe (16 bits of ports on each of
64 bits of address), you're making a hell of a jump.
If you don't understand the value of such an increase in magnitude,
I invite you to switch all your ssh keys to 56 bit.
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>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> > This is a much smaller issue with IPv4 ARP, because routers generally
> >> > have very generous hardware ARP tables in comparison to the typical
> >> > size of an IPv4 subnet.
> >>
late hour is unlikely to be productive; it took
many years to get IPv6 into the state it is, and if we are going to
go and change it all because you don't like sparseness, will it be
ready to deploy before 2020?
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ture; calls for
packing IPv6 space more tightly serve merely to marginalize that win.
We should be figuring out ways to make /64's work optimally, because in
ten years everyone's going to have gigabit Internet links and we're
going to need all the tricks we can muster to make an attac
?
Domain ID:D130035267-LROR
Domain Name:WIKILEAKS.ORG
Created On:04-Oct-2006 05:54:19 UTC
Last Updated On:17-Dec-2010 01:57:59 UTC
Expiration Date:04-Oct-2018 05:54:19 UTC
It seems like it'd be reasonable to be cautious.
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ons on hot potato routing been, historically?
I seem to recall Cogent made lots of noises early on about how they
could do hot potato routing to encourage peering, but over the years
that didn't seem to pan out that way.
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someone else
have a go at it. This leveraging-captive-customers-to-get-money-from-
others game is fundamentally dirty, at least if the rumors about your
transit connections are true.
Which probably brings us around to the reasons that it'd be interesting
to have Comcast volunteer the information
10 15:42:49 -0800 (PST)
> From: Carla Fletcher
> Reply-To: carlafletche...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Abuse@ contacts
> To: jgr...@ns.sol.net
I didn't know that anybody was still keying on subject lines; our spam
filter tossed it anyways.
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inly to cause customer churn.
Cheap webhosts and the like are typically under pressure to keep costs
low. You may end up with an abuse desk that overreacts, or that doesn't
care until the volume of complaints becomes deafening.
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passing of the firewall through misconfig or
other perils at the network level.
You won't make much progress on these fears because there's genuinely
something to them. What we really need are killer IPv6 apps that
can't easily be NAT'd. :-)
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of meta-cloud, it
should be obvious that meta-cloud computing is proving to be very
resilient. But that brings us to a Tron-like mentality about the whole
Internet... how apropos. :-)
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"We call it the &
://www.aolnews.com/world/article/sex-by-surprise-at-heart-of-julian-assange-criminal-probe/19741444
[*2] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/
[*3]
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/11/us-government-seizes-82-websites-draconian-future
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rden on service providers.
It's funny, isn't it, didn't we just finish convincing the government
of the need for DNSSEC, making the DNS system more resistant to some
forms of tampering?
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"We call it the
> On 25/10/2010 15:56, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Four is, IMHO, the best number of servers to have. They do not need to be
> > fast or modern machines.
>
> They do need to have a somewhat unbroken internal clock.
That's a good point.
> This tends to mean that running n
ory up to 1GB, two PCI slots, serial console
capable, etc. Available fairly cheap. Great for things like NTP, DNS,
we've got one for our FTP archive, Asterisk PBX, etc.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the
to be able to figure out what sort of power that
represents compared to a given task.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again.
rder to implement if you're too
focused on the "evil" of oversubscription. I think what you want to avoid
are providers who are unable to maintain sufficient spare capacity to cope
with peak demand.
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&qu
> They should shut down your power again for that one.
It's like asking for them to cycle your power on and off until your stuff
starts letting out the magic smoke around event number 100,000.
:-)
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&qu
if you do sufficiently BOFHish things.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail
reveal which companies you will no longer choose to do business with.
This turns out to be very powerful and very flexible. It can be extended
to include functionality such as single-use addresses or limited-age
addresses, etc. The big trick is to leverage the e-mail address field
itself rather than
habit of dialing
you from the number you called, even if you specifically asked them to
use a different callback number.
> However, SIP scanning and brute forcing has become really common, so it's
> about as likely that a phone system has been compromised as someone is
> forging call
, sometimes being able to
bring a client's network back on-line in a crisis is more important than
technical correctness. I feel reasonably certain that I would not have
been able to cobble together a quick solution if they had been relying
on OSPF, etc. A simple protocol can be a blessing. I
better. They might feel
> they have been ripped off. As time goes by, their Internet performs
> worse and worse, they begin to blame their network provider for that,
> not the content provider who produces a product that consumes increasing
> amounts of bandwidth as time goes by. C
have a realistic *choice*?
At the end of the day, after stripping away all the distractions, the
concept of prioritizing traffic looks to me like something that is
ultimately intended to squeeze more revenue out of the network, and
this happens by not giving the customer some of what they have alrea
killer point, though, is when you look at what's happening in other
> > areas of the world. You can see broadband Internet services elsewhere
> > evolving. You can even see rogues here in the US (I'm looking at you,
> > Sonic!) who are pushing the envelope.
> >
>
an see broadband Internet services elsewhere
evolving. You can even see rogues here in the US (I'm looking at you,
Sonic!) who are pushing the envelope.
The reality is that the world is changing, and subscribers are going to
be pushing more and more data, often without even recognizing
to
expect that the "business model" will remain useful or that any
component of it, such as massive oversubscription, must necessarily
be correct and remain viable in its current form, just because it
worked a decade ago.
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ess to the Internet. That means that if I can get packets in and out
of your transit without fuss, that's probably good enough. If you've
short-circuited things with peering that gives me faster access, that's
great too. However, if your transit is 100% saturated for 20% of the
day,
just sum it up for you: Get real.
Rather than allowing service providers to pick and choose who subscribers
can communicate with, we're much more likely to see regulation intervene
to enforce reasonable rules.
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ing issues. What happens if YouTube doesn't want to pay for
"paid" prioritization of their traffic? Does my ISP decide to route
them through Timbuktu in order to punish them, effectively holding me as
a hostage until YouTube pays up?
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doctor to prescribe their products instead of their
competitor's, even where the competitor's product might be a better
fit for my medical needs."
Now, really, just think about that for a little while.
(*) All companies listed are just used as hypothetical examples, and
should not be
y in it says a lot about where consumer
electronics is going, and that we're likely to be seeing a lot more of
this sort of low-level bad guy activity that is able to target a list of
heterogeneous targets.
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&
ld happen that would take down the whole network; this is the
downside to having less compartmentalization.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact
t; bind related crap.
tcp/zonetransfer can also be configured to run off of a different IP
address, for example, the native IP of the box.
This works just fine.
In BIND, you're looking for
transfer-source ${qaddr} port ${qport};
IIRC.
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acked for injecting that packet
> into the public internet.
>
> What *possible* use case would require a 1918-sourced packet to be traversing
> the public internet? We're all waiting with bated breath to hear this one. ;)
It's great for showing in traceroutes who the heel is.
27;m aware that I may not be "in touch". I'm perfectly capable of
sorting that situation out myself.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
wo
re someone looks at the
picture in a few years and says, "we've already got 1Gbps data pipes
to our cell sites, why are we running voice over a separate 45Mbps
pipe?"
And as far as I can tell, that's happening a lot more quickly than many
people have expected.
I strongly agree
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:37:57 -0400, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Relatively speaking, at&t's Enterprise Paging (which appears to just be
> > enterprise SMS with a TAP/SNPP gateway) has been a lot more reliable. I
> > have no idea how reliable it'd be in a major
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > As wonderful as the new communications paradigms are, do we also
> > have a situation now developing where it might eventually become
> > very difficult or even impossible to ensure out-of-band lines of
> > comm
es of
communications remain available?
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-ma
e core and border definitions as
well, of course, such as what happens when you connect a core router
interface to an upstream and you wind up with a mongrel. However, the
"core means bfr" definition strikes me as singularly useless and
something that's really more marketingspeak f
> On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > For example, for a provider whose entire upstream capacity is 1Gbps, I ha=
> ve a hard time seeing how a Linux- or FreeBSD-based box could credibly be c=
> laimed not to be a suitable edge router.
>
> Because it can and
time seeing how a Linux- or FreeBSD-based box could credibly
be claimed not to be a suitable edge router.
The problem with Roland's statement is its absoluteness; I have a much
easier side to argue, since I merely need to explain one case where the
use profile does not result in failure, and t
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> > The truth is that you can keep throwing CPU at a problem as well. I can =
> size a software based router such that it can remain available.
>
> Not against mpps, or even high kpps, you can't, unfortunately.
Really
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > That's just a completely ignorant statement to make.
>
> It's based on a great deal of real-world experience; I'm sorry you consider=
> that to be 'ignorant'.
You're speaking to someone wh
> On Jul 13, 2010, at 10:58 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
> > It's interesting. One can get equally militant and say that hardware bas=
> ed routers are irrelevant in many applications.=20
>
> When BCPs are followed, they don't tend to fall over the moment someone hit=
> s
hardware
based routers are irrelevant in many applications. I think it depends
on the application, and it's usually the specifics of the application
and the scale and features needed that's going to be more of a deciding
factor.
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> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Joe Greco wrote:
> > There's a happy medium in there somewhere; it's not clear that having (to
> > use the examples given) air traffic control computers directly on the
> > Internet has sufficient value to outweigh the risks. However, it seems
ks about job creation will change that reality.
These networks ought to be air gapped to the maximum reasonable extent
possible; all pathways in ought to be defended as though they were the
gateway to the kingdom.
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le to backup someone's PC over a SOHO cablemodem to
a corporate backup server, and in fact some people try to do that, since
the alternatives are not good.
Bleh :-)
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"We call it the 'one bite at the app
, even
though I don't really have a good use for them anymore.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Market
f which
turned out to be true (only supports a handful of IPv6 routes).
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direc
> On 6/13/2010 15:54, Joe Greco wrote:
> > If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is shutting
> > down its production of floppy disks by next year. Of course, the choice
> > of "floppy disk" is irrelevant, and I'm guessing you kn
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> > Yes, but unreachability is basically only a problem for those who have
> > failed to design and plan for it. You can engineer for unreachability.
> > You're a lot more screwed if we start talking about government mandates
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
>
> >>>> How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the
> >>>> secondaries can no longer get updates?
>
> Mea culpa.
>
> That was suppose to say "How about the case where the mast
> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
> > What happens? The master zone simply doesn't get updated until someone
> > FedEx's a floppy. You know, some of us made these sorts of contingency
> > plans long ago, back in days when the Internet actually wasn't
s.
How that works in the case where a government mandates something specific
happens within your zone file is of course debatable, but possibly more
back towards the original topic.
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"We call it the 'one bit
is a little
more centralized than it ought to be in order to allow the "routed around"
concept to work successfully.
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"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and
last decade, BCP38 filtering still isn't prevalent,
abuse desks are commonly considered to be black holes, and people
still talk about disinfecting a virus-laden computer.
There is only so much you can do, short of getting out a Clue by Four
and going around hitting people with it.
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> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 12:08 -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> > That's not going to happen (but I'll be happy to be proven wrong).
>
> Oh, there are so many things that are "not going to happen", aren't
> there? And because of that we shouldn't even
rive to fail sooner"
or "the fans will burn out faster", because that seems to be borne out by
actual real world experience, but I wasn't aware that the security quality
of Windows varied significantly based on the cost of the computer.
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gligent, or is this
just your own personal definition of negligence? Because I doubt that
a judge, or even an ordinary person, could possibly consider it such.
... JG
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Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple'
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> On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 08:50 -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> > Primarily because the product that they've been given to use is defective
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IAA.
What you're suggesting is even more Rube Goldberg, and as a way to address
the issue of software quality, would appear to be a spectacular EPIC FAIL
based on the influence of the software industry and the resulting effects
of what you suggest. They'll simply state that it would
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