Re: Routeviews

2010-10-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
h...@routeviews.org is known to work. joel On 10/9/10 9:16 PM, Mehmet Akcin wrote: hello, anyone from university of oregon or routeviews project ( routeviews.org ) here ? please contact me off-list please. thanks mehmet

Re: Mobile Operator Connectivity

2010-10-10 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/10/10 12:38 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 10/9/10 5:08 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: LTE provides an opportunity to move the bottleneck. LTE provides some latency benefits on the wireless interface, but the actual packet

Re: Anyone can share the Network card experience

2010-10-06 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/5/10 10:01 AM, Deric Kwok wrote: Hi Anyone can share the Network card experience ls onborad PCI Expresscard better or Plug in slot PCI Express card good? both are likely to be pci-e x1 interfaces if it's a single or dual port chipset. How are their performance in Gig transfer rate?

Re: [Nanog-futures] Memberships, Bylaws and other election matters

2010-10-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/4/10 12:13 PM, Steve Feldman wrote: On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Ren Provo wrote: Hi Steve, I appreciate your input here. It was clearly stated yesterday that several folks do not want a fellows membership class but I do not recall the reasoning other than Joel's comment that fee

Re: [Nanog-futures] Final bylaws proposal

2010-10-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
I've stated it before I think, I have no problem with student's being member's or having a discounted rate. New blood in the community should be encouraged and celebrated, and if they wish to participate in the the governance, so much the better. They should however simply be members regardless

Re: ARIN IP/AS Assignment

2010-10-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
The longest part of our 2009 prefix assignment was getting our accounts payable system to handle the additional supplier. If you have all of you documentation in order you can easily run through the process in two weeks. Joel's widget number 2 On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:19, Bret Clark

Re: [Nanog-futures] Final bylaws proposal

2010-10-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/1/10 9:46 PM, Randy Bush wrote: i started to read the bylaws draft, hit the 42 flavors of membership, and decided to drop this note and do something more useful with my time. it left out gold and platinum members, 100 meeting members, extra legroom members, and dismembers. why the

Re: [Nanog-futures] Final bylaws proposal

2010-10-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 10/1/10 10:19 PM, Randy Bush wrote: you forgot honorary troll, distinguished troll and fellow troll. my only excuse is tough night in the rack. and zita-san says redheads should get a class by themselves (sorry, ren). my comment from 9/22 that at most there should be two membership

Re: Software-based Border Router

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
If one has a cisco 7200, then you have a software based border router. Considerations, for a given router platform are capacity, susceptability to dos, features required etc. Depending on the capacity required a software device could do fine. If it's in front of hosting environment you want to

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:05, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: From the datacenter operator prospective, it would be nice if some of these vendors would acknowledge

Re: Routers in Data Centers

2010-09-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Joel's widget number 2 On Sep 26, 2010, at 10:47, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com said: On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:26, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: There are servers and storage arrays that have a front that is nothing but hot-swap

Re: [Nanog-futures] Proposed bylaws for NewNOG

2010-09-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
I didn't get the chance to cruise through this as quickly as I wanted but I'll weigh in on at least part of it... Despite my status as a sapphire-button mandarin in the current nanog cabal I am not in general in favor of membership tiers or classifications. If membership is required and I'm ok

Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

2010-09-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/21/10 2:10 PM, Michael Painter wrote: David DiGiacomo wrote: Instead of a rifle, how about a shotgun? It fires a nice wide spread shot pattern. I think you would be much more likely to do some damage (ie: knock fiber off a pole) with something like that. Here in New Jersey it is illegal

Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,

2010-09-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/20/10 11:38 AM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: Devil's Advocate here, What would you say to ISP A that provided similar speeds as ISP B, but B took payments from content providers and then provided the service for free? Gives you the choice, ISP A, which costs, and ISP B, which is free,

Re: just seen my first IPv6 network abuse scan, is this the start for more?

2010-09-05 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Inline... On Sep 4, 2010, at 15:24, William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/3/10 7:43 AM, Matthias Flittner wrote: Since recently we noticed Neighbour table overflow warnings from the kernel on a lot of Linux machines. As this was very annoying for us and our

Re: IPv6 Glue Records at Dotster / Domain.com

2010-09-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/4/10 9:31 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 9/4/10 6:35 AM, Ryan Shea wrote: Anyone with a contact at Doster with the ability to make things happen? Apparently they do not support v6 glue records and they have been unresponsive to my ticket. This seems a kooky reason to change registrars. The

Re: just seen my first IPv6 network abuse scan, is this the start for more?

2010-09-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 9/3/10 11:25 AM, Bill Bogstad wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: However, scanning in IPv6 is not at all like the convenience of comprehensive scanning of the IPv4 address space. Concur, but I

Re: Comcast enables 6to4 relays

2010-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/29/10 6:25 AM, John Jason Brzozowski wrote: Franck, As you know 6to4 is enabled by default in many cases and is used perhaps more than folks realize. Because of this and other observations we decided to deploy our own relays. Right prior to this the nearest 6to4 relay router from the

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/29/10 9:31 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote: Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net writes: Just out of curiosity, at what point will we as operators rise up against the ivory tower protocol designers at the IETF and demand that they add a mechanism to not bring down the entire BGP session

Re: Did your BGP crash today?

2010-08-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/27/10 1:07 PM, Mike Gatti wrote: where's the change management process in all of this. basically now we are going to starting changing things that can potentially have an adverse affect on users without letting anyone know before hand Interesting concept. BGP is transitive, change

Re: BCP38 exceptions for RFC1918 space

2010-08-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/23/10 2:31 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: I very often see 1918 space in ICMP responses. It's quite dumb. you wouldn't if you filtered rfc 1918 source addresses on your border. -Original Message- From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] Sent: 16 August 2010 14:27

Re: PacketShader

2010-08-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/23/10 2:59 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:23:19 -1000, Michael Painter said: Researchers in South Korea have built a networking router that transmits data at record speeds from components found in most high-end desktop computers

Re: PacketShader

2010-08-23 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/23/10 12:25 PM, Andrew Kirch wrote: On 8/23/2010 1:17 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: What it really comes down to is packets per watt or packets per dollar, if it's cheaper to do it this way then people will, if not BFD. I disagree here. Core routing isn't purchased based on cost, it's

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/21/10 11:52 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: I can remember early network printers using bootp and the assuming that they could use that one ip address forever. today the printer will dhcp and advertise it's availability in the same broadcast domain and may well reregister it's name in dynamic dns

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/18/10 4:20 PM, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Mark Smith wrote: In IPv4-land I have the possibility to reconnect and get a new unrelated ip-address every time. They're issued by the same ISP, to they're related. Ups. Unrelated in the sense of random ip

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/19/10 10:58 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: * Joel Jaeggli (joe...@bogus.com) wrote: manual configuration of ip address name mappings seems like a rather low priority for the average home user... I don't expect that will be a big activity in the future either, more devices means less

Re: end-user ipv6 deployment and concerns about privacy

2010-08-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/19/10 5:30 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote: * Hannes Frederic Sowa (han...@mailcolloid.de) wrote: But most people just don't care. My proposal is to have some kind of sane defaults for them e.g. changing their prefix every week or in the case of a reconnect. This would mitigate some of the many

Re: Lightly used IP addresses

2010-08-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 14, 2010, at 8:05, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Randy Bush wrote: The lack of end-site multihoming (more specifically the lack of PI for end-sites) was created by the IETF and resolved by the RIRs. The beginning of resolving this was ARIN proposal

Re: 40 acres and a mule, was Lightly used IP addresses

2010-08-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:27, Jimi Thompson jimi.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: It was 40 acres and a mule - FYI No 40 acres was 1/4 of 1/4 of a section. That's 's Sherman's field order (1865) not the homestead act (which was 160). Or the circa 1790 activity referred to in this thread. Joel's

Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC

2010-08-11 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 8/11/10 2:03 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote: On 11 Aug 10, at 2:53 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A megabit in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged for for the transport cost across the pacific. Obviously I can't

Re: Out-of-band paging

2010-07-28 Thread Joel M Snyder
important to balance these things. (I should also note, if anyone had any doubts, that I'm also one of those mom-and-pop ISPs, not Time-Warner or Verizon, so my concept of alerting is a bit different from someone who is trying to keep tabs on 1300 POPs in 40 countries...) jms -- Joel M Snyder

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

2010-07-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 7/16/10 6:02 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:57:15 PDT, Henry Linneweh said: Can we get a consensus definition on these definition's and what hardware vender's make edge routers and what hardware vender's make core routers. I got a router, it's got 5-6 10GE

Re: Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment Technical Status Update

2010-07-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 7/16/10 11:07 AM, Tony Finch wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Chris Adams wrote: A simple XSLT will transform it into any needed format. XSLT can't turn root-anchors.xml into the DNSKEY RR that BIND requires. Tony. anchors2keys will.

Re: Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment Technical Status Update

2010-07-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Yeah oops. Just noticed that Joel's iPad On Jul 16, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 7/16/10 11:07 AM, Tony Finch wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Chris Adams wrote: A simple XSLT will transform

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

2010-07-14 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 7/13/10 11:11 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Dangerous in places where forwarding table exceeds hardware cache limits. (See Code Red worm stories) During the Code Red/Nimda period (2001), and on into the Slammer/Blaster/Nachi period

Re: Level3 - have they alive abuse team?

2010-07-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Specifying the prefix in question is likely to produce more rapid and cogent response. joel On 7/12/10 2:20 AM, Popov Max wrote: Hello! I am an owner of the small telecom business in Eastern Europe. We have the provider independent network and own autonomous system number. Due

Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Companies

2010-07-07 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-07-07 19:14, Jon Lewis wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: andrew.wallace wrote: Article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704545004575352983850463108.html Why does it cost $100 million to install and configure OpenBSD on a bunch of old systems?

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-06 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-07-03 12:45, Alan Bryant wrote: On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Mikemike-na...@tiedyenetworks.com wrote: Mikrotik is great at lower end stuff where you have ethernet interfaces. Real POS OC-3 however, ain't in it's repertory and would not be what I would choose to route at those

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-28 Thread joel jaeggli
If the data you need to preload is sufficiently large (e.g. 10s or hundreds of terabytes then yeah it should come as no surprise that it might be more convenient to move by shifting around disks. 100TB of raw disk is around $8000. On 2010-06-28 21:50, JC Dill wrote: Jonathan Feldman

Re: ATT BGP - Advertising my network on accident

2010-06-25 Thread joel jaeggli
just fyi, identifying the prefix in question and the origin AS will likely result in a lot more potentially useful eyeballs looking at including those that can take action. joel On 2010-06-24 12:37, Eric Williams wrote: ATT is currently advertising my address space to the internet

Re: Recommendation in Australia for ISPs to force user security?

2010-06-22 Thread Joel Jaeggli
not sure how they propose to enforce that, instrumentation approaches that look inside the home gateway have a non-trivial falsh positive rate and you've got a lot more hosts than ip addresses. On 06/22/2010 11:30 AM, Gadi Evron wrote:

Re: List of a useful tools for network architects

2010-06-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
There was a lightning talk on Netdot at Nanog 48 I'd take a look at the presentation and the the website. It's quite useful from the documentation and discovery standpoint After the initial whit board I generally sit down and document what we're going to build then we build a transition plan

Re: List of a useful tools for network architects

2010-06-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 06/21/2010 08:46 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: There was a lightning talk on Netdot at Nanog 48 I'd take a look at the presentation and the the website. It's quite useful from the documentation and discovery standpoint meh, it was nanog 49, and the link is: http://www.nanog.org/meetings

Re: Future of WiMax

2010-06-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-18 10:49, Akyol, Bora A wrote: This is not exactly true. With the 3G networks (GSM) you can get. 7.2-Mbps HSDPA (downstream) 5.8-Mbps HSUPA (upstream) 3gpp rel7 hsdpa/hsupa goes about 4 fold faster than that down and twice as fast up without having to resort to mimo. whether

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 06/13/2010 06:13 PM, Bruce Williams wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around. That fable only really stands a chance when the damage is accidental; in the case where such damage is being

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-08 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-06-08 13:03, J. Oquendo wrote: Jorge Amodio wrote: All humor aside, I'm curious to know what can anyone truly do at the end of the day if say a botnet was used to instigate a situation. Surely someone would have to say something to the tune of better now than never to implement BCP

Re: Strange practices?

2010-06-07 Thread joel jaeggli
wouldn't do that becuase the alternatives are better and not exactly a lot of work, but will it work? yes. joel On 2010-06-07 13:50, Dale Cornman wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a multi-homed enterprise not running bgp with either of 2 providers, but instead, each provider statically routes a block

RE: Strange practices?

2010-06-07 Thread Joel M Snyder
balance (i.e., treats it as active/passive not true active/active), then it's not a bad solution. Ugly, but given the vast chalice of despair that is the global BGP table, hardly a drop in the bucket. jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One

Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-02 Thread joel jaeggli
Um insofar as I'm aware Andy Rosenzweig is still the Marit member on the SC, I generally assume that we he states his opinion or merit's position that he is doing so in his capacity as merit's representative on the SC. joel On 2010-06-02 15:20, Pete Templin wrote: Jay Hennigan wrote: On 6/2

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-28 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 17:57, andrew.wallace wrote: On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:17 AM, joel jaegglijoe...@bogus.com wrote: On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 10:42, andrew.wallace wrote: Look at it from an attackers point of view. If you're thinking about carrying out an electronic jihad of some kind when is the best time? A normal working day or during an engineers strike that only happens once every 23 years? Not to put to fine a

Re: Junos Asymmetric Routing

2010-05-27 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-27 17:38, Ken Gilmour wrote: Wow, very fast responses, Thanks Larry Sheldon and Ricardo Tavares! On 27 May 2010 18:07, Ricardo Tavarescuru...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if I correctly undestand you but default route its the route that the packet must follow if it do not have a

Re: Mikrotik BGP Question

2010-05-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-23 18:55, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: Dear Lorell, We will implement OSPF. so what arguments speak against 2 bgp upstreams? It's not an either or proposition... ospf carries your internal routes, ibgp carries you external routes between internal routers. you can carry default

Re: Mikrotik BGP Question

2010-05-21 Thread joel jaeggli
Tutorial: Introduction to BGP http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/abstracts.php?pt=MTQ0MSZuYW5vZzQ3nm=nanog47 Tutorial: BGP 102 http://nanog.org/meetings/nanog48/abstracts.php?pt=MTUyMiZuYW5vZzQ4nm=nanog48 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:BGP_Case_Studies On 2010-05-21

Re: Partial Use Of one Regions IP Block in another

2010-05-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-20 09:36, Owen DeLong wrote: We're scraping the bottom of the barrel for IPv4 space these days. It is what it is, and it's only going to get worse in IPv4. Time to go to IPv6. in ipv6 we're using our arin /32 in all regions where we appear... joel Owen

Re: BGP Transit AS

2010-05-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-20 11:25, Rafael Ganascim wrote: Hi all, I have a doubt about the bellow scenario, where the ISP1 use eBGP sessions to its peers and is a BGP Transit AS. NSP 1 -- ISP 1 Router2 --- NSP 2 | | |

Re: GSM modem test point with data and SMS support

2010-05-19 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-19 14:18, Aaron D. Osgood wrote: Probably because MO/MT (mobile originated/mobile terminated) SMS takes place on the cellular control channel (somewhat like the D channel on a PRI span) and is not seen as data by the carrier. A GPRS station class A device can do this... they have

Re: BGP and convergence time

2010-05-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 05/12/2010 02:41 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- da...@tcb.net wrote: From: Danny McPherson da...@tcb.net On May 12, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Jay Nakamura wrote: I just tested this and, yes, with Cisco to Cisco, changing the setting won't reset the connection but you have to reset the

Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.

2010-05-14 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-14 22:04, Alastair Johnson wrote: Mark Foster wrote: What about developing nations where Internet isn't yet as commonplace as it is in the 'west' ? They skip dialup. dial modems are the end game for a 140 year old technology (300-3400hz pots lines). There is literally no

Re: Dial Concentrators - TNT / APX8000 R.I.P.

2010-05-13 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2010-05-13 19:43, Frank Bulk wrote: Thirty percent? If no access includes financial means or developed interest, that may be true, but 99% of all zip codes have at least person with internet access. And the FCC has stated that 95 percent of Americans, or 290 million people, have terrestrial

Re: BGP (in)security makes the AP wire

2010-05-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 05/09/2010 09:30 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:54:46AM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote: And when I drive someplace, I do indeed go by the signs I see, which are not erected by a central authority, as I move along. (I don't have a route from here to Fairbanks, Alaska, but

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/26/2010 8:07 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Stephen Sprunkstep...@sprunk.org wrote: Don't forget the hotspot vendor that returns an address of 0.0.0.1 for every A query if you have previously done an query for the same name (and timed out). That's a

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/22/2010 08:25 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Apr 22, 2010, at 11:04 AM, John Lightfoot wrote: That's Hedley. I believe that he is talking about Hedy Lamarr, the co-inventor of frequency hopping spread spectrum. The patent which bears her and George Antheil's name is by no means

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/22/2010 11:23 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:03 AM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Apr 21, 2010, at 10:48 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: So what happens when you change

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/22/2010 10:18 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 22, 2010, at 5:55 AM, Jim Burwell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4/22/2010 05:34, Simon Perreault wrote: On 2010-04-22 07:18, William Herrin wrote: On the other hand, I could

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/20/2010 10:29 AM, Roger Marquis wrote: Interesting how the artificial roadblocks to NAT66 are both delaying the transition to IPv6 and increasing the demand for NAT in both protocols. Nicely illustrates the risk when customer demand (for NAT) is ignored. This is really tiresome. IPv4 NAT

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/20/2010 6:34 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 12:59 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: NAT _always_ fails-closed I love this statement particularly in the context of enterprise networks... When you pop the label off an l3 vpn or

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/20/2010 6:34 PM, Karl Auer wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 12:59 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:31 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: NAT _always_ fails-closed I love this statement particularly in the context of enterprise networks... When you pop the label off an l3 vpn or

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-19 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/19/2010 10:40 AM, David Conrad wrote: Bryan, On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: Here is some unverified calculations I did on the problem of scaling nat. Right now I'm using 42 translation entries in my nat table. Each entry takes up 312 bytes of FIB memory, which is

Re: Niksun Probe

2010-04-19 Thread Joel M Snyder
. But if you just want capture, Endace might be a good solution. jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 j...@opus1.comhttp://www.opus1.com/jms

Re: Niksun Probe

2010-04-19 Thread Joel M Snyder
want flows, there's LOTS of great products for flow monitoring, starting with Cisco and moving your way out through both open source and commercial products. But if you are considering Niksun, then flows are not what you're after. Packets are what you're after. jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/18/2010 6:28 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: Franck Martin wrote: Sure the internet will not die... But by the time we run out of IPv4 to allocate, the IPv6 network will not have completed to dual stack the current IPv4 network. So what will happen? Reality is that as soon as SSL web

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-18 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/18/2010 9:56 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2010, Franck Martin wrote: Anybody has better projections? What's the plan? My guess is that end user access will be more and more NAT444:ed (CGN) while at the same time end users will get more and more IPv6 access (of all

Re: CX4 to XFP

2010-04-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/16/2010 08:35 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, William Jobs wrote: Has anyone else undertaken a similar setup? What were the difficulties you encountered especially in terms of reduced throughput, packet loss etc. Any recommended media converters? Why media

Re: Carrier class email security recommendation

2010-04-12 Thread Joel M Snyder
-- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 j...@opus1.comhttp://www.opus1.com/jms

Re: Carrier class email security recommendation

2010-04-12 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/12/2010 10:22 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: The man did say carrier class .. not small webhost for four families and dog. You're talking multiple mailservers + filtering gateways / appliances etc, clustered .. rather tough to do that with one pizzabox 1U running a linux that's not

RE: Solar Flux

2010-04-11 Thread Joel M Snyder
of sunglasses and some high-SPF sunblock would be good to have, plus make you look less like a nerd. Unless you use that zinc stuff on your nose, in which case you look more like a nerd. YMMV. jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/09/2010 09:56 AM, Dave Israel wrote: +Bonus Uncertainty: There is a lack of consensus on how IPv6 is to be deployed. For example, look at the ongoing debates on point to point network sizes and the /64 network boundary in general. There's also no tangible benefit to deploying IPv6

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/09/2010 11:01 AM, William Herrin wrote: Fun movies notwithstanding, they generally issue a fine and work it through the civil courts. If you were doing something extraordinary, like jamming emergency communications, I expect they might well call the police for assistance. But those

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/09/2010 07:49 PM, Randy Bush wrote: some nut i procmail wrote No, ARIN is not a regulator. Regulators have guns or access to people with guns to enforce the regulations that they enact. ARIN has no such power. I'm a little confused on the distinction you're making. confusion

Re: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 04/08/2010 06:00 AM, Adrian Chadd wrote: On Thu, Apr 08, 2010, Joe Greco wrote: Because a legacy holder doesn't care about ARIN; a legacy holder has usable space that cannot be reclaimed by ARIN and who is not paying anything to ARIN. The point here is that this situation does not

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-06 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/6/2010 10:39 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote: On 05 Apr 2010 12:43, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:29:20 EDT, Jay Nakamura said: I would have attributed the success of Ethernet to price! You've got the causality wrong -- it wasn't cheap, way back when. I remember back

RE: What is The Internet TCP/IP or UNIX-to-UNIX ? (Jim Mercer)

2010-04-05 Thread Joel M Snyder
/diss.html) on it. And among the 848 references, this Antonov character (a...@hq.demos.su) even gets quoted three times (assuming you're not also V.S.Antonov who wrote Interfacing Tasks of Systems SM and ES Computers and Ways of Their Solution in 1983). jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-05 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/5/2010 5:26 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:08 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:36:26 EDT, Jon Lewis said: Since they only really need to be unique per broadcast domain, it doesn't really matter. You can I could use the same MAC addresses on

Re: legacy /8

2010-04-04 Thread Joel M Snyder
into the phone line over a 2500 set with a frayed cord... (you can go on this way for a long time... We now return you to your regularly scheduled IPv3 NANOG troll...) jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 j...@opus1

Re: legacy /8

2010-04-04 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/4/2010 5:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 4:32 PM, joel jaegglijoe...@bogus.com wrote: Last time I checked, some of the state of the art 2004 era silicon I had laying around could forward v6 just fine in hardware. It's not so usefyl due to it's fib being

Re: legacy /8

2010-04-04 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/3/2010 6:15 PM, Mark Smith wrote: Ever used IPX or Appletalk? If you haven't, then you don't know how simple and capable networking can be. And those protocols were designed more than 20 years ago, yet they're still more capable than IPv4. Zing, and there you have it! The hourglass is

Re: what about 48 bits?

2010-04-04 Thread joel jaeggli
On 4/4/2010 7:57 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 10:57:46AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: Has anybody considered lobbying the IEEE to do a point to point version of Ethernet to gets rid of addressing fields? Assuming an average 1024 byte packet size, on a 10Gbps link

Re: Books for the NOC guys...

2010-04-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
a juniper press author and as a result the examples that aren't done on freebsd or linux systems are done on junos which is either a benifit or a drawback depending on your environment. disclaimer, I did review it for content/accuracy, but wasn't compensated for doing so. joel On 04/02/2010 05

Re: New Linksys CPE, IPv6 ?

2010-03-31 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/31/2010 12:00 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2010/prod_033110.html Does anybody know what are the plans for IPv6 support ? the current wrt610n supports ipv6 I failed to see why a slightly updated and rebranded one would not as well. Regards Jorge

Re: New Linksys CPE, IPv6 ?

2010-03-31 Thread Joel Jaeggli
of IPv6. Frank -Original Message- From: Nick Hilliard [mailto:n...@foobar.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 3:16 PM To: Joel Jaeggli Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: New Linksys CPE, IPv6 ? On 31/03/2010 21:07, Joel Jaeggli wrote: the current wrt610n supports ipv6 I failed to see

Re: 100% want IPv6 - Was: New Linksys CPE, IPv6 ?

2010-03-31 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/31/2010 08:52 PM, Patrick Giagnocavo wrote: We have just (anecdotally, empirically) established earlier in this thread, that anything smaller than a mid-sized business, can't even *GET* IPv6 easily (at least in the USA); much less care about it. fwiw, that last time I was at a company

Re: [OT] Old kit

2010-03-26 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/26/2010 10:16 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Lamar Owen wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2010 05:24:39 pm Michael Dillon wrote: For comparison look at the z-80 CPU which powered the early desktop computers. When the IBM PC came out, people thought that the Intel

Re: Using private APNIC range in US

2010-03-21 Thread Joel Jaeggli
It sounds like this range was just recently assigned -- is there any document (RFC?) or source I could look through to learn more about this, and/or provide evidence to my client http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space/ Thanks, Jaren --

RE: Best VPN Appliance

2010-03-18 Thread Joel M Snyder
like delegated and partitioned management, which are SP-critical but often ignored in the enterprise, weren't really part of my evaluation. jms -- Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719 Senior Partner, Opus One Phone: +1 520 324 0494 j...@opus1.comhttp

Re: IPv6, multihoming, and customer allocations

2010-03-16 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/16/2010 07:38 AM, Rick Ernst wrote: Regurgitating the original e-mail for context and follow-up. General responses (some that didn't make it to the list): - There really is that much space, don't worry about it. - /48s for those that ask for it is fine, ARIN won't ask unless it's

Re: Network Naming Conventions

2010-03-15 Thread Joel Esler
confidence inspiring names here for our devices, shakey, broken, jitter, crusty G -- Joel Esler http://blog.joelesler.net

Re: 10GBase-t switch

2010-03-15 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/15/2010 04:30 PM, George Bonser wrote: -Original Message- From: Dave Temkin Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:51 PM To: Kevin Oberman Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: 10GBase-t switch Can you point to another 1U box that has more than 16MB per-port buffer? -Dave

Re: YouTube AS36561 began announcing 1.0.0.0/8

2010-03-13 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On 03/12/2010 01:20 PM, Axel Morawietz wrote: Am 12.03.2010 17:03, schrieb Nathan: [...] Its amazing how prolific 1.x traffic is. one reason might also be, that at least T-Mobile Germany uses 1.2.3.* for their proxies that deliver the content to mobile phones. And I'm not sure what they

Re: unsubscribe

2010-03-12 Thread Joel Esler
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