Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

Yes, it seems that our use case it's not the right one for Ericsson. Da: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> per conto di t...@pelican.org <t...@pelican.org> Inviato: venerdì 2 dicembre 2016 11.37.29 A: nanog@nanog.org Oggetto: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

The Nokia is the rebranded Alcatel 7750. The syntax is funky, but it's a great bras. From: NANOG on behalf of Tony Wicks Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:17:20 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion I was told by some high up people

RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

On Behalf Of Patrick Cole Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2016 1:20 AM To: t...@pelican.org Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion 2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past. Exactly as Tim said,

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past. Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not after a big $$ solution. We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we

RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

.org] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Mainardi Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:34 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: BRAS/BNG Suggestion Good morning, Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination? We have more than 20.000 users. In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU. Do

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

On 2/Dec/16 12:37, t...@pelican.org wrote: > > I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, > Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that > want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call > support when

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

Our current deployment uses several Alcatel SR 7750 boxes - we pair these with MX960 and MX2020 for CGNAT for several hundred thousand customers. Alcatel and Juniper have been a rock solid combination so far. Regards Dragan On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, James Bensley

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

On 2 December 2016 at 10:37, t...@pelican.org wrote: > On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" > said: > > > Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson. > > I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" said: > Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson. I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers. In my experience, Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

On 29/Nov/16 20:33, Lorenzo Mainardi wrote: > Good morning, > Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination? > We have more than 20.000 users. > > In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU. > Do you have any other honorable brand o

BRAS/BNG Suggestion

Good morning, Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination? We have more than 20.000 users. In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU. Do you have any other honorable brand or good experiences? Regards digitel Via della Fortezza 6 - 50129 Firenze

Re: BRAS sugestion

, Julian Eble juliane...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you!

BRAS sugestion

Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you!

Re: BRAS sugestion

On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:06:20 -, Julian Eble said: Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Is a monolithic 30k+ a requirement, or would 3-4 10K boxes(or other similar combo) be usable? pgpKfs5s8EryI.pgp

Re: BRAS sugestion

hey, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? I can tell only good stories about Alcatel 7750-SR. Extensive BNG feature set (both v4 and v6) and very stable platform. -- tarko

Re: BRAS sugestion

: Victoria's Secret On Aug 14, 2015 8:08 AM, Julian Eble juliane...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you!

Re: BRAS sugestion

Schoedler wrote: Juniper MX 2015-08-14 12:06 GMT-03:00 Julian Eble juliane...@yahoo.com.br: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you! -- Eduardo Schoedler --- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network

Re: BRAS sugestion

functionality. I like that Juniper finally dropped further development of the dedicate BRAS code. It had become annoying. Mark.

Re: BRAS sugestion

Has anyone in the BRAS world paid attention to bufferbloat yet?

Re: BRAS sugestion

I have a related question. What functionality defines BRAS? I do not think I have any BRAS in my network, but I am not sure :-) Regards, Baldur

Re: BRAS sugestion

BRAS functionality would normally be large scale DHCP or PPPoE customer termination handled by RADIUS for authentication and policy management. On Fri, Aug 14, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: I have a related question. What functionality defines BRAS? I do not think I have any

Re: BRAS sugestion

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 03:06:20PM +, Julian Eble wrote: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you! Cisco ASR 1004/6 Alcatel Lucent 7750 SR12 with MSA card a WHOLE bunch of others

Re: BRAS sugestion

looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you!

Re: BRAS sugestion

Juniper MX 2015-08-14 12:06 GMT-03:00 Julian Eble juliane...@yahoo.com.br: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you! -- Eduardo Schoedler

Re: BRAS sugestion

On 8/14/15 11:06 AM, Julian Eble wrote: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Alcatel-Lucent 7750SR AJ disclaimer: I work for Alcatel-Lucent

Re: BRAS sugestion

Victoria's Secret On Aug 14, 2015 8:08 AM, Julian Eble juliane...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you!

Re: BRAS sugestion

for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Thank you!

Re: BRAS sugestion

On 14/Aug/15 17:06, Julian Eble wrote: Hello Nanog, Our company are constantly growing and we're looking for a 30k+ subscribers BRAS, does the community have a sugestion? Cisco ASR1006 or ASR1013 Cisco ASR9006, ASR9010, ASR9904, ASR9912 or ASR9922 Juniper MX240, MX480, MX960, MX2010

Re: BRAS

There is a significant delay for user termination via L2TP; more than 40 seconds. --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org Sent: December 12, 2013 5:33 AM To: Nilesh Kahar nilesh.ka...@outlook.com, nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BRAS What kind of issues? How many subs

Re: BRAS

L2TP; more than 40 seconds. --- Original Message --- From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org Sent: December 12, 2013 5:33 AM To: Nilesh Kahar nilesh.ka...@outlook.com, nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: BRAS What kind of issues? How many subs and what code? Paul On 12/11/2013, 11:14 AM, Nilesh

Re: BRAS

Huawei ME60E Отправлено с iPhone 10 дек. 2013 г., в 18:21, Nilesh Kahar nilesh.ka...@outlook.com написал(а): Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features?

Re: BRAS

On 12/10/13 19:51 +0530, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Juniper MX (480). -- Dan White

Re: BRAS

At 09:30 AM 11/12/2013, Dan White wrote: On 12/10/13 19:51 +0530, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Juniper MX (480). -- Dan White I heard there were some issues with the LAC/LNS functionality

Re: BRAS

On 13-12-11 10:10 AM, Clayton Zekelman wrote: At 09:30 AM 11/12/2013, Dan White wrote: On 12/10/13 19:51 +0530, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Juniper MX (480). -- Dan White I heard there were some

Re: BRAS

On 12/11/13 10:10 -0500, Clayton Zekelman wrote: At 09:30 AM 11/12/2013, Dan White wrote: On 12/10/13 19:51 +0530, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Juniper MX (480). I heard there were some issues

BRAS

Basically I am facing issues with MX80 LNS scenario. So just to make sure with community whether anyone is having similar problem. Also wanted to know about any other good BRAS product which can act fine for LNS - LAC setup. Thanks for all the responses. Nil.

Re: BRAS

Hi, Le 11 déc. 2013 à 17:14, Nilesh Kahar nilesh.ka...@outlook.com a écrit : Also wanted to know about any other good BRAS product which can act fine for LNS - LAC setup. Ericsson SmartEdge Cisco ASR1000

Re: BRAS

at 5:15 PM, Dan White dwh...@olp.net wrote: On 12/11/13 10:10 -0500, Clayton Zekelman wrote: At 09:30 AM 11/12/2013, Dan White wrote: On 12/10/13 19:51 +0530, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Juniper MX

Re: BRAS

We have deployed several MX480 for BRAS and had good success - definitely within the 11.4X27 release but also we have one box on 13.2 (nothing like living on the edge haha). I believe Juniper is starting to also recommend 12.3 for BRAS but would have to confirm that for sure. On MX80 we also

Re: BRAS

good BRAS product which can act fine for LNS - LAC setup. Thanks for all the responses. Nil.

Re: BRAS

: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Victoria's Secret has some nice ones. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa

Re: BRAS

or two at Playboy that might be able to give you a pointer, no pun intended On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.netwrote: On 12/10/2013 8:21 AM, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features

BRAS

Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features?

Re: BRAS

On 12/10/2013 8:21 AM, Nilesh Kahar wrote: Which is a good BRAS product, to handle 15000 subscribers sessions with full QoS other features? Victoria's Secret has some nice ones. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

Re: BRAS

Sir whatever that is an acronym for, you have my undivided. This is going to make for an interesting thread in about 6 hours.

Re: BRAS

What's so interesting about a guy asking for info on a Broadband Remote Access Server for DSL aggregation? On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:11 AM, Nick Cameo sym...@gmail.com wrote: Sir whatever that is an acronym for, you have my undivided. This is going to make for an interesting thread in about 6

Re: BRAS

On 11.12.2013 17:11, Nick Cameo wrote: Sir whatever that is an acronym for, you have my undivided. This is going to make for an interesting thread in about 6 hours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_Remote_Access_Server

Re: BRAS

not be believed, but I DID search using BRAS and qualifiers like network and communication and got nothing but lingerie-related stuff, before I posted MY wise a remark. I have led a sheltered life. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

RE: iBGP usage on a BRAS

Hi Mike, iBGP is what most ISPs would use for that, for customers with dynamic IPs simply aggregate their addresses on the BRAS, if you have several thousand IPs you really don't want them in your IGP Regards, Ido. -Original Message- From: Mike [mailto:mike-na...@tiedyenetworks.com

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

...@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:39 AM To: Tim Durack Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Vyatta as a BRAS And that's the crux of the issue. Can the box survive if line rate maximum PPS is being aimed at it, either for forwarding or at the control plane? If the answer is yes

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 05:21:31PM -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Burstnet huh? Somehow I am not surprised. Currently I have the below in my blocklists. Since this company facilitates spammers and other dubious activity and doesn't look like it hosts much legitimate content. They've been doing

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:36:57 EDT, Marshall Eubanks said: None of this is going to help configure any routers. Most people call a network of routers run in isolation, without any care or consideration of the outside world and its potential impact on operations, a test lab. The occasional

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Monday, July 19, 2010 05:40:07 pm Akyol, Bora A wrote: Except that the goal you set below is very very hard to do on a software router unless its CPU has packet classification properties implemented in HW. And then there are Systems on a Chip (SoC) like the Realtek 8650 that really take it

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 21:07:36 -0400 Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Brett Frankenberger rbf+na...@panix.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 07:13:46AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: This document supports that. If the definition of a software router is one

RE: Vyatta as a BRAS

proper hardware assist. Bora -Original Message- From: Mark Smith [mailto:na...@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 2:39 AM To: Tim Durack Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Vyatta as a BRAS And that's the crux of the issue. Can the box survive

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: ..in other news (that seems to have attracted little attention)... http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/07/73000-blogs-shu.html 73000 Internet sites where shutdown by somebody, for something.

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On 7/19/2010 17:21, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: ..in other news (that seems to have attracted little attention)... http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/07/73000-blogs-shu.html 73000 Internet sites where shutdown by

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On Jul 19, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 7/19/2010 17:21, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: ..in other news (that seems to have attracted little attention)...

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: Seems like somebody would know who ordered it. And were all 73000 sites about making bombs? From TFA it was the FBI and it was one box with no back-ups. The hosting company decided to do the adult thing and pull the

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

On 7/19/2010 17:36, Marshall Eubanks wrote: None of this is going to help configure any routers. Yeah. We gotta configure routers. Why do I keep hearing a phone ring and ring and ring?

While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

The single host/box had bomb making info and hit lists. Yeah, I'd shut it down too if it was on my network. Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474 As would any reasonable operator. Or maybe it would have been better to not destroy a known source, and work with the FBI to

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

Larry Sheldon wrote: ..in other news (that seems to have attracted little attention)... http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/07/73000-blogs-shu.html 73000 Internet sites where shutdown by somebody, for something. BurstNet, the Web-hosting company, informed Blogetery's operator that

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Since specific routers have been mentioned, care to comment on the Cisco ASR? ASR1K, which is what I'm assuming you're referring to, is a hardware-based router. Same for ASR9K.

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On 18 Jul 2010, at 10:58, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: ASR1K, which is what I'm assuming you're referring to, is a hardware-based router. Same for ASR9K. My c* SE swears that the asr1k is a software router. I didn't push him on it's architecture though. The asr9k is an npu

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 06:12:29PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: On 18 Jul 2010, at 10:58, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: ASR1K, which is what I'm assuming you're referring to, is a hardware-based router. Same for ASR9K. My c* SE swears that the asr1k is a software router. I

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:55 AM, Brett Frankenberger wrote: So where do you draw the line? Is the ASR hardware forwarding? Yes - specialized muticore NPU plus TCAM. --- Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net //

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:12 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: My c* SE swears that the asr1k is a software router. I didn't push him on it's architecture though. Specialized multicore NPU + TCAM = hardware. --- Roland Dobbins

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:12:29 +0100 Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 18 Jul 2010, at 10:58, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: ASR1K, which is what I'm assuming you're referring to, is a hardware-based router. Same for ASR9K. My c* SE swears that the asr1k is a software

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 19, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Mark Smith wrote: This document supports that. No, it doesn't. Specialized NPUs, TCAMs present in ASR1K. CRS-3 has specialized NPUs, ASICs, as well. Enough on this topic - it's obvious that both ASR1K and CRS-3 are hardware-based platforms.

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 07:13:46AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: This document supports that. If the definition of a software router is one that doesn't have a fixed at the factory forwarding function, then the ASR1K is one. The code running in the ASICs on line cards in 6500-series chassis isn't

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Brett Frankenberger rbf+na...@panix.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 07:13:46AM +0930, Mark Smith wrote: This document supports that. If the definition of a software router is one that doesn't have a fixed at the factory forwarding function, then the ASR1K

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:12:07 + Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: From or to your customers? Both. Stopping customer-sourced attacks is probably a good thing for the Internet at learge. Concur 100%. And you

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:57:15 PDT, Henry Linneweh said: Your definitions seem to be rather ATM-specific, which may be a bit of a problem in a world dominated by Ethernet... Can we get a consensus definition on these definition's and what hardware vender's make edge routers and what hardware

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

I got a router, it's got 5-6 10GE interfaces talking to other routers on my network backbone, and a bunch of 10GE links to end-user-facing aggregation switches. Since it's only forwarding inside my network, it's a core router by your definition. I now turn up an identical hardware 10GE link

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

the control plane is protected from that volume. Test with reasonable traffic loads (and drawing on the collective wisdom of this group as to what is 'reasonable' for a BRAS is good!), and derive conclusions that fit your need. Knowing these things allows you to scale your solution to avoid the majority

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 16, 2010, at 6:02 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: 1/4 plastic tubing - http://www.waterfiltermart.com/images/products/preview/plastic_tubing_and_nut.jpg garden hose - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Garden_hose.jpg/800px-Garden_hose.jpg fire hose -

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On 7/16/10 6:02 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:57:15 PDT, Henry Linneweh said: Can we get a consensus definition on these definition's and what hardware vender's make edge routers and what hardware vender's make core routers. I got a router, it's got 5-6 10GE

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

I briefly browsed the links and I didn't see any traffic profiles included. If you are talking about pushing x mbps with no specifics and/or general traffic, I think most of us agree you can do that easily and probably consistently without any issues. And for some icing, you may even do

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Joe Greco wrote: For example, for a provider whose entire upstream capacity is 1Gbps, I have a hard time seeing how a Linux- or FreeBSD-based box could credibly be claimed not to be a suitable edge router. Because it can and will be whacked quite easily by

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Joe Greco wrote: For example, for a provider whose entire upstream capacity is 1Gbps, I have a hard time seeing how a Linux- or FreeBSD-based box could credibly be claimed not to be a

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:54:39AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Joe Greco wrote: For example, for a provider whose entire upstream capacity is 1Gbps, I have a hard time seeing how a

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Cian Brennan wrote: I'm almost certain they're not the uses that Roland is saying that software routers are entirely unsuited for. Correct - I'm talking about SP (and even enterprise) edge routers. I've seen as little as a few hundred kpps totally hose Cisco

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Joe Greco wrote: For example, for a provider whose entire upstream capacity is 1Gbps, I ha= ve a hard time seeing how a Linux- or FreeBSD-based box could credibly be c= laimed not to be a suitable edge router. Because it can and will be whacked quite easily by

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Provided with a counterexample where this isn't true, you simply ignore it. I've yet to see a counterexample involving a software-based edge router in a realistic testbed environment being deliberately packeted in order to cause an availability

A question for the house and the moderators (was Re: Vyatta as a BRAS)

On 7/15/2010 11:39, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Provided with a counterexample where this isn't true, you simply ignore it. I've yet to see a counterexample involving a software-based edge router in a realistic testbed environment being

A question for the house and the moderators (was Re: Vyatta as a BRAS)

Oops--itch trigger finger [a round of the on-going and growing tedious micturation tournament] Is this squalling fest really more operational than a conversation dealing with a disabling spam attack? Really? -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on

Re: A question for the house and the moderators (was Re: Vyatta as a BRAS)

On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:43 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Under the assumption that I'm meant to be fulfilling the role of the lamb, I know when I'm outvoted, heh. This topic is obviously past its shelf-life. ;

RE: Vyatta as a BRAS

Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:18 AM To: Dobbins, Roland Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Vyatta as a BRAS On Jul 14, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Joe Greco wrote: That's just a completely ignorant

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On 2010-07-15 19:22, Dennis Burgess wrote: RouterOS is a software based router, we have them all over the world as CORE and EDGE routers to networks. Wonderful, congratulations. Some of our hardware can hit multi-gig speeds, BGP etc. Same can do your competitors. We commonly replace

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: RouterOS is a software based router, we have them all over the world as CORE and EDGE routers to networks. You keep using that word (CORE). I do not think it means what you think it means. Drive Slow, DoS Slower,

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

I have that same problem with vendors that insist that there is a core vs customer vs peering edge set in networks. If a customer has 10g to a specific peer why should one not place them on the same device, ASIC, linecard, usw Core today means something that is 200g+/slot capable IMHO.

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

, July 15, 2010 5:28:44 PM Subject: Re: Vyatta as a BRAS On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: RouterOS is a software based router, we have them all over the world as CORE and EDGE routers to networks. You keep using that word (CORE). I do not think

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Lamar Owen wrote: Instruction issue? Execution unit? Special instructions? Sounds like a software-driven processor to me. Specialized software instruction set, yes. True hardware forwarding, no software involvement? No. More like asymmetrical multiprocessing

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: CRS-1 uses multicore processors (hundreds of cores) for forwarding on their linecards, and they achieve 40+ Mpps per linecard. The CRS-1 makes use of the Metro subsystem for forwarding, with multiple Metros per Modular Service Card

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:18:18 -, Dobbins, Roland said: Right. And to date, such routers make use of ASICs - i.e., 'hardware-based' routers, in the vernacular. Routers which use only centralized, general-purpose processors can't handle even a fraction of 'line-rate' without tanking But as

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:01 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: But as others have stated, the 7206 has at least some hardware acceleration, Unfortunately, said statements are factually incorrect. 7200s have no hardware acceleration of any type whatsoever. from

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

* Valdis Kletnieks: (cue weasel-words about those routers using ASICs for most forwarding, but doing multicast forwarding in software in 5.. 4.. 3..) There's also the question of IP options (or extension headers). 8-) -- Florian Weimerfwei...@bfk.de BFK edv-consulting GmbH

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 14, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: There's also the question of IP options (or extension headers). 8-) I know that some modern hardware-based routers have the ability to either ignore options, or to drop option packets altogether. I believe the same is now true of IPv6

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

* Roland Dobbins: That's what I meant - even a very small botnet can easily overwhelm software-based edge routers. From or to your customers? Stopping customer-sourced attacks is probably a good thing for the Internet at learge. And you can't combat attacks targeted at customers within your

Re: Vyatta as a BRAS

On Jul 14, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: From or to your customers? Both. Stopping customer-sourced attacks is probably a good thing for the Internet at learge. Concur 100%. And you can't combat attacks targeted at customers within your own network unless you've got very

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