Thank you, everyone, for the advice, input, and suggestions, both on-
and off-list.
Got a few sales pitches too, which was to be expected. :) All good.
Much appreciated, again.
Cheers,
- bryan
On 1/19/21 4:44 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote:
Hey gang ...
Looking for a reputable
- Original Message -
> From: "Keith Medcalf"
>>Is nested virtualization really a thing?
>
> Real Computers have been running VMs inside VMs for about 50 years. Bringing
> this technology to "bitty boxes" is a recent thing.
Sure, but VM is a bit more mature than KVM. :-)
Cheers,
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On 1/19/21 10:56 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote:
On 1/19/21 6:33 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote:
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
storage within the virtual
>Is nested virtualization really a thing?
Real Computers have been running VMs inside VMs for about 50 years. Bringing
this technology to "bitty boxes" is a recent thing.
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 3:27 PM Brandon Martin
wrote:
> On 1/19/21 12:56 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote:
> >
> > I'm very curious about your assertion:
> >
> > Is nested virtualization really a thing?
> >
> > I mean, I'm not exactly trying to render Pixar's latest movie ... just
> > trying to push
On 1/19/21 12:56 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote:
I'm very curious about your assertion:
Is nested virtualization really a thing?
I mean, I'm not exactly trying to render Pixar's latest movie ... just
trying to push some bits around (light web-sites, some e-mail ...)
It just seems inherently
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:50:31AM -0800, William Herrin wrote:
> I use Vultr for my primary BGP exit and have found it largely
> painless. The VMs I have there DO NOT support nested virtualization.
That's odd, I have run Xen in standard Vultr VMs, and it works. It's not
fast, though.
Thanks,
virtualization layer without any involvement from the hosting
>> > provider. You'd usually have agreements with the hosting provider about
>> > how/when hardware replacements would be done.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Martijn
>> > -
On 1/19/21 1:50 PM, William Herrin wrote:
I haven't used Proxmox but from a 60 second glance through Google that
looks like you're asking for nested virtualization. If it works at
all, you'd take a double-hit on everything that wants to run in ring
0, a double-hit on virtualized I/O and a
Proxmox specifically isn't much more than a wrapper for standard Linux KVM,
which can support nested virtualization. In my limited experience with
nesting, it doesn't work half bad as one would expect, but I haven't used
it in a stressed environment with anything substantial running that way.
On
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:18 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
> Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what
> prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian)
> vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server?
Hi Bryan,
I haven't used
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> > *From:* NANOG on
> behalf
> > of Bryan Holloway
> > *Sent:* 19 January 2021 18:18
> > *To:* William Herrin
> > *Cc:* NANOG list
> > *Subject:* Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
> > Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 exampl
On 1/19/21 9:33 AM, Brandon Martin wrote:
On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote:
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host
operating
On 1/19/21 6:33 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote:
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host
G list
Subject: Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
You make an excellent point, Martijn ... (and I suspect this is what
Bill was pointing out ...)
Virtualization on top of virtualization is inherently not the best idea.
I guess I'm looking for flexibility in the sense of being able to spin
up addi
est regards,
Martijn
*From:* NANOG on behalf
of Bryan Holloway
*Sent:* 19 January 2021 18:18
*To:* William Herrin
*Cc:* NANOG list
*Subject:* Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what
prev
On 1/19/21 11:44 AM, William Herrin wrote:
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
storage within the virtual environment. You DO NOT manage the host
operating systems or hypervisors.
It's worth
sting provider about how/when hardware replacements would
be done.
Best regards,
Martijn
From: NANOG on behalf of Bryan
Holloway
Sent: 19 January 2021 18:18
To: William Herrin
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
Perhaps I'm missing somet
-
From: "Bryan Holloway"
To: "William Herrin"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:18:03 AM
Subject: Re: Hosting recommendations ... ?
Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what
prevents me from running a Proxmo
I'm not sure spammers and AS paths really go together.
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 11:27 AM William Herrin wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:20 AM Josh Luthman
> wrote:
> > I'm kind of
Perhaps I'm missing something, but in your #1 example "Cloud", what
prevents me from running a Proxmox ISO (which is more or less Debian)
vs. a "standard" Debian install on the provider's virtual server?
If I can, I've succeeded. That is the sort of hosting provider I'm
looking for, if they
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:31 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
> I would like to stop personally dealing with bare-metal. That's what I'm
> doing now.
Hi Bryan,
Cloud = you get virtual servers with virtual storage, generally
adjustable to meet your needs. You manage the operating systems and
storage
Fair questions -- answers in-line ...
On 1/19/21 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm kind of confused when your concern is the reputability and yet
you're providing your own IP space.
I care about the hosting environment's upstreams' opinions of the
downstream.
That is, I don't want to be in
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:20 AM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> I'm kind of confused when your concern is the reputability and yet you're
> providing your own IP space.
Hi Josh,
I'm not above discarding announcements with a "bulletproof" hoster in
the AS path. Are you?
Regards,
Bill Herrin
On Tue, Jan
I'm kind of confused when your concern is the reputability and yet you're
providing your own IP space.
It sounds more to me like you want to put 2-3 boxes in a data center. For
that pretty much any decent sized data center in any state would work for
the US.
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 7:45 AM Bryan Holloway wrote:
> Looking for a reputable (i.e., no hosting of spammers or other
> ne'er-do-wells) hosting provider with possibly a global footprint. If
> not, US is #1 desire; EU #2.
>
> * Desire to host 2-3 hypervisors, probably running something akin to
>
Hey gang ...
Looking for a reputable (i.e., no hosting of spammers or other
ne'er-do-wells) hosting provider with possibly a global footprint. If
not, US is #1 desire; EU #2.
Requirements, more or less:
* Desire to host 2-3 hypervisors, probably running something akin to
Proxmox ...
*
Fellow NANOGers,
I realize the list rules prohibit people advertising/pushing their own products
or companies, so I hope this doesn’t break that rule by asking.
I’d like some recommendations for a solid hosting provider. Nothing hugely
extensive. About 50 IMAP email users, basic web hosting
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