Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-07 Thread Petri Helenius
Hi, We would also be happy to sink the traffic and provide captures and statistics for general consumption. Pete On Feb 4, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Kevin Loch wrote: Mirjam Kuehne wrote: Hello, After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-06 Thread Manish Karir
Hi Jared, Merit would be happy to sink and collected this traffic. Perhaps even the entire /8 depending on the traffic level. Ideally we would want to do the entire /8. We have disk and bandwidth in place for our other research activities and this would fit in nicely. We could probably do

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Nathan Ward wrote: On 4/02/2010, at 9:19 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I would hope that the APNIC would opt not to assign networks that would contain 1.1.1.1 or 1.2.3.4 to customers for exactly that reason. The signal-to-noise ratio for those addresses is likely pretty

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Kevin Loch
Mirjam Kuehne wrote: Hello, After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE NCC did some measurements to find out how polluted this block really is. See some surprising results on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/content/pollution-18 Please also note the call for feedback at the

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Kevin Loch wrote: Mirjam Kuehne wrote: Hello, After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE NCC did some measurements to find out how polluted this block really is. See some surprising results on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/content/pollution-18

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Christopher Morrow
I know someone who'd happily sink both the /24's in question.. if apnic's interested. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Kevin Loch wrote: Mirjam Kuehne wrote: Hello, After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: I know someone who'd happily sink both the /24's in question.. if apnic's interested. Given that it is not in the table today, just announcing it would yield both interesting traffic, and interesting data on who is filtering it. -- TTFN,

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Tico
On 2/4/10 2:14 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: I know someone who'd happily sink both the /24's in question.. if apnic's interested. Ditto. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Jared Mauchja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Kevin Loch wrote: Mirjam Kuehne

RE: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Schiller, Heather A (HeatherSkanks)
volunteering to sink traffic for 1.1.1.0/24 --heather -Original Message- From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joe...@bogus.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:09 AM To: Mirjam Kuehne Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How polluted is 1/8? It should be of no surprise to anyone that a number

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Jared Mauch
If it's not obvious, I've thoguht about this and made some offers to the people at APNIC/RIPE. Hoping someone moves forward with this. The note was on the apops list (iirc). - jared On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Tico wrote: On 2/4/10 2:14 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: I know someone who'd

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-04 Thread Joel Jaeggli
volunteering to sink traffic for 1.1.1.0/24 --heather -Original Message- From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joe...@bogus.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:09 AM To: Mirjam Kuehne Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: How polluted is 1/8? It should be of no surprise to anyone

How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Mirjam Kuehne
Hello, After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE NCC did some measurements to find out how polluted this block really is. See some surprising results on RIPE Labs: http://labs.ripe.net/content/pollution-18 Please also note the call for feedback at the bottom of the article.

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:49:00PM +0100, Mirjam Kuehne m...@ripe.net wrote a message of 15 lines which said: After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE NCC did some measurements to find out how polluted this block really is. See some surprising results on RIPE Labs:

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Joel Jaeggli
It should be of no surprise to anyone that a number of the remaining prefixes are something of a mess(somebody ask t-mobile how they're using 14/8 internally for example). One's new ipv4 assignments are going to be of significantly lower quality than the one received a decade ago, The property is

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:49:00PM +0100, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: After 1/8 was allocated to APNIC last week, the RIPE NCC did some measurements to find out how polluted this block really is. Having this data is useful, but I can't help to think it would be more useful if it

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Joel M Snyder
Having this data is useful, but I can't help to think it would be more useful if it were compared with 27/8, or other networks. Is this slightly worse, or significantly worse than other networks? I have only anecdotal information regarding 45/8. 45/8 is assigned to Interop, and as such it

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Joel M Snyder wrote: This information is very different from the RIPE Labs experiment which I think showed that certain obvious addresses (1.1.1.1 seemed to be the kicker in my short reading of their report) were being mis-used heavily. But I suspect that 27/8 would have

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 2/3/2010 2:19 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I could see holding those prefixes aside for research purposes (spam traps, honey pots, etc...). I think it is too bad that we didn't have the forethought to route all of those networks to 100-watt resistors some years ago. When I last was

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 2/3/2010 2:19 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I could see holding those prefixes aside for research purposes (spam traps, honey pots, etc...). I think it is too bad that we didn't have the forethought to route all of those networks to 100-watt

RE: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Deepak Jain
If some unfortunate soul does get 1.1.1.1, 1.2.3.4, 1.3.3.7, etc, they would also likely experience significant global reachability problems in addition to all of the unintended noise that gets sent their way. There are many sites that specifically filter those addresses, in addition to

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread John Payne
On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Joel M Snyder wrote: Having this data is useful, but I can't help to think it would be more useful if it were compared with 27/8, or other networks. Is this slightly worse, or significantly worse than other networks? I have only anecdotal information

Re: How polluted is 1/8?

2010-02-03 Thread Nathan Ward
On 4/02/2010, at 9:19 AM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: I would hope that the APNIC would opt not to assign networks that would contain 1.1.1.1 or 1.2.3.4 to customers for exactly that reason. The signal-to-noise ratio for those addresses is likely pretty high. The noise is likely contained