On 10/27/19 12:47 PM, Michel Py wrote:
Michel Py wrote :
What I like with Hilco is that it brings transparency to the market. I think
that each transfer should list the amount of the
transaction between parties. For example, I would like to know for how much
44.192/10 went.
The parties
> John Curran wrote :
> So, if by “the right to use them”, one is referring to being the one listed
> in the ARIN database for the address space and/or use ARIN services applicable
> to those address blocks, then that is indeed a contractual right, but it
> doesn’t get transferred or assigned
On 26 Oct 2019, at 8:28 AM, Owen DeLong
mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote:
…
The difference is that ARIN charges almost nothing for the rent, so what you
basically are auctioning is the right too use a free appartment, which is worth
money.
Even if you don't own the IP addresses, the right to use
> On Oct 27, 2019, at 09:47 , Michel Py wrote:
>
> Hi Owen,
>
>> Owen DeLong wrote :
>> So ARIN doesn’t actually rent the right to use an apartment so much as a
>> recording of the fact
>> that certain entities agree that your name goes on the door of said
>> apartment.
>
> Correct, but
Hi Owen,
> Owen DeLong wrote :
> So ARIN doesn’t actually rent the right to use an apartment so much as a
> recording of the fact
> that certain entities agree that your name goes on the door of said apartment.
Correct, but in the end I still have the apartment for very cheap, good enough
for
>> There's a fairly famous animal behavior experiment where rats are
>> allowed to multiply in a room-sized cage without control, food and
>> water and basic sanitation are provided.
>>
>> When the cage becomes extremely crowded rats are observed gnawing on
>> each other's tails.
>
> Are any of
Speaking strictly on my own behalf and not in any way representing any official
opinion or position of
ARIN or the AC…
> On Oct 24, 2019, at 17:29 , Michel Py wrote:
>
>> Matt Hoppes wrote :
>> How is it, then, that we daily for the last 2-3 years have places like Hilco
>> that have
On 24 Oct 2019, at 5:18 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2019, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> A thought crossed my mind the other day as I was having a discussion with
>> someone.
>>
>> Every entity is suppose to justify their need for IPv4 address space from
>> ARIN. This was always (in
Are any of the rats using routable IP addresses?
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:11 AM wrote:
>
> There's a fairly famous animal behavior experiment where rats are
> allowed to multiply in a room-sized cage without control, food and
> water and basic sanitation are provided.
>
> When the cage
There's a fairly famous animal behavior experiment where rats are
allowed to multiply in a room-sized cage without control, food and
water and basic sanitation are provided.
When the cage becomes extremely crowded rats are observed gnawing on
each other's tails.
--
-Barry Shein
> Matt Hoppes wrote :
> How is it, then, that we daily for the last 2-3 years have places like Hilco
> that have sometimes 15-20 large IPv4 blocks up for auction?
Because now it's worth real money, while earlier it was better to hoard it,
just in case.
> Another thought: being that IPv4
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 09:30:20AM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> On 10/24/19 9:25 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Matt Hoppes said:
> > > You don’t suddenly just not need a/8 or suddenly not need a/21.
> >
> > You don't "suddenly just" do lots of things, because things change over
> >
Since you mentioned Hilco specifically. . .
IPv4.Global is the IPv4 address brokerage operated by Hilco Streambank.
We match organizations who have more IPv4 address space than they need
with organizations who need more IPv4 address space than they have. This
is consistent with ARIN's Number
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Jon Lewis may
have written:
> IP space was handed out to organizations (and even to individuals) long
> before the RIRs like ARIN were created. Those "assignments" /
> "allocations" (whatever you want to call them) are outside of the control
> of the
On 10/24/19 9:25 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Matt Hoppes said:
You don’t suddenly just not need a/8 or suddenly not need a/21.
You don't "suddenly just" do lots of things, because things change over
time; no need to attribute malicious intent. For example, a former
employer
You can hold onto resources you don't actively need, and nothing in any
RIR agreement I'm aware of (I'm only familiar with ARIN's) says
otherwise. There is no requirement to return resources under any
circumstances.
So you're saying you can justify a large amount of IPs with ARIN, then
Once upon a time, Matt Hoppes said:
> You don’t suddenly just not need a/8 or suddenly not need a/21.
You don't "suddenly just" do lots of things, because things change over
time; no need to attribute malicious intent. For example, a former
employer had a /17, a /18, and a /19 at one point (and
I agree that why would you return something that has value that you can sell,
but isn’t there the requirement that you have a justification for the IP
addresses when you got them from ARIN? And if you can now sell them and in some
cases sell large blocks of them, either someone lied to a RIN to
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:08 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> A thought crossed my mind the other day as I was having a discussion with
> someone.
>
> Every entity is suppose to justify their need for IPv4 address space from
> ARIN. This was always (in recent history)
> On 24 Oct 2019, at 11:18 pm, Jon Lewis wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2019, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> A thought crossed my mind the other day as I was having a discussion with
>> someone.
>>
>> Every entity is suppose to justify their need for IPv4 address space from
>> ARIN. This was always
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019, Matt Hoppes wrote:
A thought crossed my mind the other day as I was having a discussion with
someone.
Every entity is suppose to justify their need for IPv4 address space from ARIN.
This was always (in recent history) the case.
No entity is suppose to be given more IPv4
A thought crossed my mind the other day as I was having a discussion with
someone.
Every entity is suppose to justify their need for IPv4 address space from ARIN.
This was always (in recent history) the case.
No entity is suppose to be given more IPv4 space until they have nearly
exhausted
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