lling zip code on the account or something else that
>> actually is authoritative.
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>> *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of *Josh
>> Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2023 1:09 PM
>> *To:* Jared Mauch
>> *Cc:* nanog
>> *Subject:
the product right and
> use the verified billing zip code on the account or something else that
> actually is authoritative.
>
>
>
> *From:* NANOG *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2023 1:09 PM
> *To:* Jared Mauch
> *Cc:* nanog
> *Subject:*
ExchangeThe
Brothers WISP
- Original Message -
From: Jared Mauch
To: nanog
Sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 18:29:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Increasing problems with geolocation/IPv4 access
I’ve been seeing an increasing problem with IP space not having the ability to
be used due to the behaviors
: Monday, January 23, 2023 1:09 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: Increasing problems with geolocation/IPv4 access
Every block I've gotten I just went through TheBrothersWisp geo location page
and just had them fix their information. This includes virgin and re-issued
blocks from ARIN
Every block I've gotten I just went through TheBrothersWisp geo location
page and just had them fix their information. This includes virgin and
re-issued blocks from ARIN.
I've had a couple of random issues like Hulu thinking I'm a VPN, PSN
blocking a /24 because a /32 failed his password too
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 11:29 PM, Crist Clark wrote:
>
> Are you sure it’s really geolocation blocks? Or is it anonymizer and VPN
> service detection? The geoIP vendors typically sell both since one of
> anonymizers’ top applications is to evade geolocation. Have customers using
>
Are you sure it’s really geolocation blocks? Or is it anonymizer and VPN
service detection? The geoIP vendors typically sell both since one of
anonymizers’ top applications is to evade geolocation. Have customers using
peer-to-peer anonymizers wittingly or unwittingly? Customers with malware
or
> What I’m actually looking for isn’t so much a soapbox but to find where the
> [bad] data is coming from so it can be updated as appropriate. I’m also fine
> with telling the customer to phone the service/bank/whatnot (which is what I
> did in other cases and as much as I also personally
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 8:02 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> I will repeat what I have been saying since the first discussions of the
> concept of ip geo-location some decades ago…
>
> An IP address is not tied to any of the following:
> Location
> Person
>
> An IP address may be
Even worse, some don’t even bother taking you off a list or correcting their
records. In these cases I’ve had great luck once our lawyers get involved, but
that really only works for US-based companies.
Pretty sure the last company who used our IP space was just wrecking the
internet for fun,
I will repeat what I have been saying since the first discussions of the
concept of ip geo-location some decades ago…
An IP address is not tied to any of the following:
Location
Person
An IP address may be transiently tied to a host. The definition of transient in
this case can
This is a real and growing problem. I have some networks that have
experienced lengthy “no service” issues with streaming services such as
Disney+ due to this, and it took many customer generated complaints and
“NANOG hallway level” type human back channel escalations to actually get
it
I’ve come to the conclusion that the geo-ip feed companies don’t give a damn
about the legitimacy of their information and don’t research any of it. They
just wait for the end user to complain to make the change.
Had one today, in fact.
They’re lame.
-Mike
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 16:33,
I’ve been seeing an increasing problem with IP space not having the ability to
be used due to the behaviors of either geolocation or worse, people blocking IP
space after it’s been in-use for a period of time.
Before I go back to someone at ARIN and say “your shiny unused 4.10 IP space”
is
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