Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-09 Thread Cummings, Chris
The EX 4650 does indeed do 25G. Chris From: NANOG Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 16:10 To: Jürgen Jaritsch , nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de facto) hard ji

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-09 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 09.07.2020 02.14, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: There's a difference between a TCP *resend*, and a *RESET*. Triggering a resend on a re-order is reasonably sane, sending an RST isn't You get the RESETs from people that do anycast when your broken ECMP hashing splits the packets between

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
(re-adding Adam's text that didn't get quoted, but matters) On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:49:56 +0300, Saku Ytti said: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean > wrote: > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, at 00:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > > > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have -

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Adam Thompson
lin.mb.ca/> From: NANOG on behalf of Jürgen Jaritsch Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:05:03 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: AW: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion Dear Adam, yeah, forget about LACP - the bigger problem is all the LLDP and STP

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 14:56, Adam Thompson wrote: > If jitter were defined anywhere vis-à-vis LACP, it would be _de jure_, not > _de facto_ as I said. I suspect the de-facto domain you think of has modest population. As jitter would only matter in case where protocol measures delay and

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Adam Thompson
If jitter were defined anywhere vis-à-vis LACP, it would be _de jure_, not _de facto_ as I said. Yes, if you have *guaranteed* that TCP sessions hash uniquely to a single link in your network, you might be able to successfully tunnel LACP (or EtherChannel, or any other L1 link-bonding

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jul/20 12:42, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: > Errr sorry, but at the latest news, TCP was supposed to handle out of > order packets and reorder them before sending them to upper layer. > Not to mention hashing that almost systematically makes that all packets of > the same TCP stream

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 13:46, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote: > Errr sorry, but at the latest news, TCP was supposed to handle out of > order packets and reorder them before sending them to upper layer. > Not to mention hashing that almost systematically makes that all packets of > the same TCP

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Wed, Jul 8, 2020, at 00:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP > has (de facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be > getting TCP resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Errr sorry, but at the

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 7/Jul/20 23:09, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de > facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP > resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Hmmh - this is odd. We once provided a

Re: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-07 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey Adam, On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Adam Thompson wrote: > Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de > facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP > resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets. Can you elaborate on

AW: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-07 Thread Jürgen Jaritsch
.mb.ca http://www.merlin.mb.ca > -Original Message- > From: NANOG <mailto:nanog-bounces+athompson=merlin.mb...@nanog.org> On Behalf > Of Jürgen Jaritsch > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:15 PM > To: mailto:nanog@nanog.org > Subject: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Li

RE: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-07 Thread Adam Thompson
NANOG On Behalf Of > Jürgen Jaritsch > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:15 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion > > Dear folks, > > have anyone already tried to run VXLAN/EVPN + “Bridge Layer 2 Protocol > Tunneling”

L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion

2020-07-07 Thread Jürgen Jaritsch
Dear folks, have anyone already tried to run VXLAN/EVPN + “Bridge Layer 2 Protocol Tunneling” on Cumulus Linux as an replacement for classic MPLS L2VPN/VPWS (“xconnect”, l2circuit, VLL) ? I need to provide transparent Ethernet P2P virtual leased lines to my customers and these have to support