If all else fails, you could setup a pair of static IPIP or GRE
tunnels using the static provider-assigned address on your link into
the non-bgp speaking provider. Then, terminate the 'far side' of the
tunnel on a router collocated somewhere upstream of if the brain-dead
provider. This would get
: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 13 18:58:54 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Charles Regan wrote:
The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from arin to do
multihoming.
If we dump tlb, no more multihoming? No /22. Is that correct?
We also have a contract with tlb
The rule with ARIN is that you only need to demonstrate that you WANT
do do multihoming, not that you WILL do multihoming.
That question would be better asked on the ARIN policy mailing list.
I'm also on that list.
That was cleared with ARIN as part of the process to get that /22
I guess
Could Charlie do long haul microwave to someone who can do BGP?
On 2/14/09, Francois Menard franc...@menards.ca wrote:
The rule with ARIN is that you only need to demonstrate that you WANT
do do multihoming, not that you WILL do multihoming.
That question would be better asked on the ARIN
Just got final confirmation from ISP1 that they will not do BGP with us.
ISP1 is Telebec.
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhoisuser_data=142.217.0.0submit=Go
My subnet
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhoisuser_data=204.144.60.0submit=Go
What can we do now ? Any suggestions
: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:23 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Just got final confirmation from ISP1 that they will not do BGP with
us.
ISP1 is Telebec.
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhoisuser_data=142.217.0.0;
s
ubmit=Go
My subnet
http://www.iptools.com
Telebec's only upstream is Bell Canada (AS577) hence why you see
that...;)
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Michael Smith [mailto:msm...@internap.com]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Charles Regan; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
I see multiple paths
Charles Regan wrote:
Just got final confirmation from ISP1 that they will not do BGP with us.
ISP1 is Telebec.
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhoisuser_data=142.217.0.0submit=Go
My subnet
http://www.iptools.com/dnstools.php?tool=ipwhoisuser_data=204.144.60.0submit=Go
What
That was my implication...
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stewart [mailto:pstew...@nexicomgroup.net]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 3:50 PM
To: Michael Smith; Charles Regan; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Telebec's only upstream is Bell Canada (AS577) hence why you
The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from arin to do multihoming.
If we dump tlb, no more multihoming? No /22. Is that correct?
We also have a contract with tlb.
$$$ 1.5yrs left...
2009/2/13, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us:
Charles Regan wrote:
Isp2 is vtl not bell
Charles Regan wrote:
The problem we have now is that we got our /22 from arin to do multihoming.
If we dump tlb, no more multihoming? No /22. Is that correct?
We also have a contract with tlb.
$$$ 1.5yrs left...
There's something in there about non-multihomed sites, but I'm not
And/or see if bell canada can sell you something diverse.
- Original Message -
From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us
To: Charles Regan charles.re...@gmail.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 13 18:58:54 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Charles Regan wrote
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:13:14PM -0500, Joe Maimon wrote:
Perhaps ebgp-multihop with this ISP's upstream provider might offer you
an advantage combined with this approach.
This is quite neat, but the ISP may be multihomed and support BGP at
one edge (several transits, several peers), but not
Re Charles,
this is all about control, so you don't lose connectivity in case something
outside your control fails.
The best idea so far is the ebgp-multihop idea with your ISP's transit
provider. This means speaking BGP to them yourself and taking care that
the traffic takes the intended path,
For the folks asking what island.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalen_Islands
http://www.panoramio.com/user/45210
We are hiring if someone is interested :)
It's not like the Bahamas. I wish it was. It's alot colder here.
I've talked to ISP1 yesterday and they will let me know what they can
do.
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, Jason Biel wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers as the primary. Don't base it soley off bandwidth, but check
your SLA and any recent outage
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:29:28PM -0400, Charles Regan wrote:
I want to advertise my /22 to two different ISP on different POP.
I can't use BGP as ISP1 doesn't support it.
Get a new ISP and fire whoever signed that contract before getting
the technical details correct.
--
RSUC
How did you get a /22, and what isp won't run bgp with you?
- Original Message -
From: Charles Regan charles.re...@gmail.com
To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 06 11:29:28 2009
Subject: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
I want to advertise my /22 to two different ISP on different
The ISP may not support peering BGP with you, but can they publish routes
for you? I find it hard to believe ANY ISP just doesn't support BGP.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Michael Smith msm...@internap.com wrote:
How did you get a /22, and what isp won't run bgp with you?
- Original
Daniel Rogers wrote:
The ISP may not support peering BGP with you, but can they publish routes
for you? I find it hard to believe ANY ISP just doesn't support BGP.
It is very possible that the ISP doesn't support BGP, but more likely,
I'd bet that the ISP has never configured BGP on the client
Pick your preferred link in, have them announce your /22, have the other
provider announce the /22, just weighed. That way you are multi-homed with
failover.
After that is configured, find a new ISP to replace the one that will not
let you peer with them.
Jason
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:52 AM,
I'll explain. We are a small ISP on a very remote Island.
We have a /22 from ARIN. We have a 20mbits pipe from ISP1 and 20mbits from ISP2.
They are the only two we can get bandwidth.
So we are stuck with ISP1 that doesn't support BGP.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Azinger, Marla
Charles,
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers as the primary. Don't base it soley off bandwidth, but check
your SLA and any recent outage occurances.
Traffic will flow
Good point on ISP1 Steve, being they are limited already, they might be just
reselling.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote:
Jason Biel wrote:
The link that goes down will trigger that provider to remove the route,
traffic will swing and start coming in
The can't do BGP.
They are already advertising two /24 for us. So they will advertise a
/22 if I ask them.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Jason Biel ja...@biel-tech.com wrote:
Good point on ISP1 Steve, being they are limited already, they might be just
reselling.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at
Jason Biel wrote:
The link that goes down will trigger that provider to remove the route,
traffic will swing and start coming in on the backup link.
This is assuming that 'ISP1' has the capability to advertise the OP's
route in the first place.
What if ISP1 is simply a customer of another ISP,
...small isp on a very remote island... Sounds like a nice problem to have... :)
- Original Message -
From: Charles Regan charles.re...@gmail.com
To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 06 12:14:52 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
I'll explain. We are a small ISP
It will depend on the source of the traffic and how that peer follows AS
path into your providers.
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Charles Regan charles.re...@gmail.comwrote:
What if both annonce my /22 unweighted ?
I know I will loose failover in this scenario.
I am trying to figure out
I would guess that if one of them can't change their announcement when their
link to you is down, then make sure their announcement is the less
preferred.
The ISP that *can* remove their announcement when their link to you is down
should be the preferred path since their path is much more
likely
Jason Biel wrote:
Charles,
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers as the primary. Don't base it soley off bandwidth, but check
your SLA and any recent outage
@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Fri Feb 06 13:13:14 2009
Subject: Re: One /22 Two ISP no BGP
Jason Biel wrote:
Charles,
As I mentioned earlier, you'll want to have one provider announce the /22
unweighted and the other announce it weighted. Just pick the better of the
two providers
In a message written on Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:14:52PM -0400, Charles Regan
wrote:
I'll explain. We are a small ISP on a very remote Island.
We have a /22 from ARIN. We have a 20mbits pipe from ISP1 and 20mbits from
ISP2.
Perhaps you could post the IP addresses on your end of both of these
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