Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

https://www.icrc.org/en Convention (V) respecting the Rights and Duties of Neutral Powers and Persons in Case of War on Land. The Hague, 18 October 1907. CHAPTER I : THE RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF NEUTRAL POWERS - ART. 8. Art. 8. A neutral Power is not called upon to forbid or restrict the use

Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

John, Thank you for these. I'm glad to hear the stance on both of these. Brian From: NANOG on behalf of John Curran Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 5:04 AM To: Nanog Subject: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes) ICANN response request from the Ukraine

Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

Yep, I completely agree. I also think if they had done anything else, it would have been a reputation-ending. On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:19 AM Jorge Amodio wrote: > > I believe it is a proper response, besides that it is not right for ICANN > to get in the middle of this type of conflict, in

Re: ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

I believe it is a proper response, besides that it is not right for ICANN to get in the middle of this type of conflict, in situations like this, increasing the flow of real information counters the flow of misinformation. -J On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 7:05 AM John Curran wrote: > ICANN response

ICANN Response (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

ICANN response request from the Ukraine regarding various DNS interventions – https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-fedorov-02mar22-en.pdf FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 2 Mar 2022, at 1:01 AM, John Curran

Re: Ukraine request yikes

It appears that Carsten Bormann said: >On 2. Mar 2022, at 17:38, wrote: >> >> “democracy” > >PSA: Please read > >https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/ > >before using words like this again. Nice article, definitely worth

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 2. Mar 2022, at 17:38, wrote: > > “democracy” PSA: Please read https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/ before using words like this again. I hope this PSA is useful enough for minimizing “discussion" to warrant this

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 3/2/22 16:15, Glen Turner wrote: Pretty much every nation has existing telecommunications laws with power for regulation to require telecommunications providers not to provide service to particular nation-states. Law written in an era where Russia military deployment and expansionary policy

Re: Ukraine request yikes

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There's no need for Ukraine to engage ICAAN to achieve its goals. Pretty much every nation has existing telecommunications laws with power for regulation to require telecommunications providers not to provide service to particular nation-states. Law

Re: Ukraine request yikes

It appears that Daniel Suchy via NANOG said: >It's also technically possible to perform full AXFR from some official >root-server (it's allowed on some instances) and bring your own >root-server locally-anycasted instance anywhere you want. It's not just possible, it's quite common. See RFC

Re: Ukraine request yikes

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/2/22 11:57 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > There is a reason that the US Government was developing and promulgating > things like TOR, for a while. Turns out if you run 2/3 of the tor nodes, you can unmask people. Governments are not capable of

RE: Ukraine request yikes

From: NANOG On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM To: George Herbert ; Nanog Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world. They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. On 3/1/22 3:16 A

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 3/2/22 8:53 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world.  They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. I think it's very important to differentiate between Russia as the governmental entity and Russia as the body of

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Anybody remember the days when: - News of the USSR's fall was leaking out over USENET? - Folks were live posting from gas-proofed rooms in Israel, during one of the wars? There is a reason that the US Government was developing and promulgating things like TOR, for a while.  Kind of useless

Re: Ukraine request yikes

ly say that I find the request by the government there to be "extremely consistent with Ukrainian values". -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 5:54 PM To: George Herbert ; Nanog Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes My (unpopul

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On 3/2/22 10:54, Matt Hoppes wrote: [External Email] Information sharing should increase on the ATTACKED side... it should DECREASE and be cut off on the non-provoked attacker's side. Trouble is, that leads to two deleterious effects in this case: 1) The rest of the world is left with just

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Information sharing should increase on the ATTACKED side... it should DECREASE and be cut off on the non-provoked attacker's side. On 3/1/22 3:53 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:19 AM George Herbert > wrote: Posted by Bill Woodcock

Re: Ukraine request yikes

My (unpopular opinion) Russia does not deserve any amenities of the modern world. They have made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. On 3/1/22 3:16 AM, George Herbert wrote: Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21

RIPE NCC position (Re: Ukraine request yikes)

Regarding the portion of the request to the RIPE NCC to withdraw the relevant Russia registered IP address blocks, it appears that the RIPE NCC has reiterated their position on such disputes -

Re: Ukraine request yikes

"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" - John Gilmore -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: Ukraine request yikes

China has worried that the root server operators would do such a thing to them, and I have argued that it is contrary to our published principles (RaSSAC055) and or practice. “We have never done so; what would that serve?” I have the same question here. Sent using a machine that autocorrects

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Again, aside from turning off the ICANN-operated root servers (which would be pointless), the remainder of the requests from the UA Government Advisory Committee member are not something ICANN could/would do unilaterally regardless of the validity of the justification. Regards, -drc > On Mar

Re: Ukraine request yikes

I concur, this is an extremely dangerous slippery slope that ICANN should refrain. There’s the possibility for misfires, misattribution and miscalculation that could backfire which is extremely concerning. — regards, /vrode > On Mar 1, 2022, at 00:56, Matthew Petach wrote: > >  > > >> On

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:17 AM George Herbert wrote: > > Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… > https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 > > https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS > > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke > address delegations,

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Technological solutions for Sociological problems >> >> From: NANOG on behalf of >> Bryan Fields >> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:23 PM >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>

Re: Ukraine request yikes

n Fields > Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:23 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote: > > See .SU. > > > > (SU was moved from all

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Hello, On 3/1/22 21:08, David Conrad wrote: - Shutdown the root server instances operated by ICANN that are within Russia ICANN could conceivably do this unilaterally, but there are a lot more root server instances operated by other RSOs (including RIPE NCC, Verisign, ISC, and NASA). It's

Re: Ukraine request yikes

Fields Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 1:23 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ukraine request yikes -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote: > See .SU. > > (SU was moved from allocated to "transitionally reserved” back when the >

Re: Ukraine request yikes

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 3/1/22 4:08 PM, David Conrad wrote: > See .SU. > > (SU was moved from allocated to "transitionally reserved” back when the > USSR broke up. My recollection is that an agreement was reached by which > .SU users would be migrated out to

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:27 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: >> More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has >> asked ICANN to: >> - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .SU (all Russian-managed ccTLDs) >> >> As the GAC member undoubtedly knows, that’s not how ICANN works. Barring a >>

Re: Ukraine request yikes

> More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has > asked ICANN to: > - Revoke .RU, .рф, and .SU (all Russian-managed ccTLDs) > > As the GAC member undoubtedly knows, that’s not how ICANN works. Barring a > court/executive order in ICANN’s jurisdiction (and even then, it

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Mar 1, 2022, at 12:16 AM, George Herbert wrote: > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, revoke > address delegations, and turn off TLDs for Russia. More or less. The Government Advisory Committee member from Ukraine has asked ICANN to: - Revoke .RU, .рф, and

Re: Ukraine request yikes

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 12:19 AM George Herbert wrote: > Posted by Bill Woodcock on Twitter… > https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500?s=21 > > https://pastebin.com/DLbmYahS > > Ukraine (I think I read as) want ICANN to turn root nameservers off, > revoke address delegations,

RE: Ukraine request yikes

It’s already spread to the news - https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ukraine-icann-russia-internet-runet-disconnection-1314278/ Ryan From: NANOG On Behalf Of George Herbert Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:17 AM To: Nanog Subject: Ukraine request yikes Posted by