We service most of the state's public schools and libraries (about
1000). Historically the CPE of choice was a small Cisco ISR (1600,
1700, 1800, and 1900 most recently). As bandwidth levels went up, and
Ethernet-based transport services became available, we started looking
and leveraging FOSS
--- r...@maine.edu wrote:
From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu
We service most of the state's public schools and libraries (about
1000). Historically the CPE of choice was a small Cisco ISR (1600,
1700, 1800, and 1900 most recently). As bandwidth levels went up, and
Ethernet-based transport services
There are a lot of variables that would skew numbers in favor of using
FOSS on commodity hardware in our situation, that wouldn't necessarily
apply to others. Primarily because these are used to provide services
that are in part funded through the federal E-rate program, and need
to comply with
On 9/22/11 11:38 , Charles N Wyble wrote:
* On 09/22/2011 05:37 AM, Pierce Lynch wrote:** Andreas Echavez
[mailto:andreas at livejournalinc.com
https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog] originally wrote:**
Ultimately, the network is as reliable as you build it. With** software,
it's
Andreas Echavez [mailto:andr...@livejournalinc.com] originally wrote:
Ultimately, the network is as reliable as you build it. With software, it's
much cheaper to divide and scale horizontally. Hardware devices are expensive
and usually horizontal
scalability never happens. So in reality, an
On 09/22/2011 05:37 AM, Pierce Lynch wrote:
Andreas Echavez [mailto:andr...@livejournalinc.com] originally wrote:
Ultimately, the network is as reliable as you build it. With software, it's
much cheaper to divide and scale horizontally. Hardware devices are expensive
and usually horizontal
On 9/22/11 11:38 , Charles N Wyble wrote:
On 09/22/2011 05:37 AM, Pierce Lynch wrote:
Andreas Echavez [mailto:andr...@livejournalinc.com] originally wrote:
Ultimately, the network is as reliable as you build it. With
software, it's much cheaper to divide and scale horizontally.
Hardware
On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:42, Ben Albee wrote:
Does anybody currently use vyatta as a bgp router for their company? If
so have you ran into any problems with using that instead of a cisco or
juniper router?
We're using Vyatta for a handful of fast ethernet links to the internet, with I
think
I'll chime in,
In an enterprise environment, I've worked with software routers as well as
hardware beasts (ala Junipers, Cisco 6500s, ASAs, and more).
Ultimately, the network is as reliable as you build it. With software, it's
much cheaper to divide and scale horizontally. Hardware devices are
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Andreas Echavez andr...@livejournalinc.com
wrote:
The most reliable/cost effective solution is the cheap and redundant
approach to architecture.
Reliable hardware is incredibly inexpensive, and every year we get better
CPUs and (recently) GPUs that are
On 09/21/2011 06:14 PM, Andreas Echavez wrote:
btw, you guys might find
PacketShaderhttp://shader.kaist.edu/packetshader/a pretty
interesting concept
-Andreas
Excellent! I was wondering how far along this was. Good to see. Very
exciting.
I've got a couple parallel systems sitting around
Is Vyatta really not suited for the task?
I keep checking up on it and holding off looking into it as they don't
support multicast yet.
Modern commodity sever hardware these days often out-powers big iron
enough to make up for not using ASICs, though, at least on the lower
end of the spectrum.
Hi,
As usual this end-up in what people prefer.
Vyatta is as good as the hardware it runs on, the backend they use
and the people configuring/maintaining it.
The nature of ASIC make it more reliable than a multi-purpose
device (aka server) running an OS written for it.
Ray
Download the Podcast The Packet Pushers - Show 31 they talk a little
about this topic... If nothing else it's a great listen
Cheers!
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:
Is Vyatta really not suited for the task?
I keep checking up on it and holding off
Thanks for the tip, first time I hear this podcast.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Jason Leschnik lesch...@gmail.com wrote:
Ray
Download the Podcast The Packet Pushers - Show 31 they talk a little
about this topic... If nothing else it's a great listen
Cheers!
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 15:41 -0400, Jared Geiger wrote:
There was a bug where you couldn't use two IPv4 peers and then add
IPv6. I haven't tested the newest versions yet to see if it still
exists. Works great for two IPv4 peers.
Discussion between developers on bugfixes can often be seen in
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:48:31 CDT, Jimmy Hess said:
One thing.. the OP was asking about anyone using Vyatta for BGP.
Using Vyatta for BGP doesn't necessarily mean the Vyatta unit is actually a
device
forwarding the packets... someone could be using it as a route server, or for
otherwise
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:38:57 BST, Nick Hilliard said:
Let's throw some figures around (ridiculously simplified): a company has a
choice between a pair of $10k software routers or something like a pair of
MX80s for $25k each. So, one solution costs $20k; the other $50k. $30k
cost difference
On Sep 13, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Ben Albee wrote:
Does anybody currently use vyatta as a bgp router for their company?
The days of public-facing software-based routers were over years ago - you need
an ASIC-based edge router, else you'll end up getting zorched.
The days of public-facing software-based routers were over years ago - you
need an ASIC-based edge router, else you'll end up getting zorched.
wait, what?
--
//fredan
-Original Message-
From: Dobbins, Roland [mailto:rdobb...@arbor.net]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:56 AM
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: vyatta for bgp
On Sep 13, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Ben Albee wrote:
Does anybody currently use vyatta as a bgp router
On 12/09/2011 20:08, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
How do you come to this conclusion? I think a software-based router for
enterprise level (let's say on the 1G per provider level) can handle a
fair amount of zorching.
I presume by a fair amount, I presume you mean barely any?
At large
On Sep 12, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
On 12/09/2011 20:08, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote:
How do you come to this conclusion? I think a software-based router for
enterprise level (let's say on the 1G per provider level) can handle a
fair amount of zorching.
I presume by a
On Sep 13, 2011, at 2:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
In your typical enterprise environment, a 1G DoS will zorch the link long
before it zorches the router at the enterprise side.
This contradicts my experience - I've repeatedly witnessed only a few mb/sec of
64-byte packets making software-based
Original Message-
From: Dobbins, Roland [mailto:rdobb...@arbor.net]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:56 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: vyatta for bgp
zorched.
---
Zorch. I like
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:12:43 -, Dobbins, Roland said:
This contradicts my experience - I've repeatedly witnessed only a few mb/sec
of 64-byte packets making software-based routers fall over, including just
last
month.
On the flip side, there's a *lot* of sites that have to make
On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Chuck Church wrote:
Is the concern over a DDOS aimed against the router itself, or just massive
flows passing through?
Yes, but mainly the former.
;
---
Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net //
Thanks for the all the feed-back.
We will only have two ipv4 BGP peers (both 5mb/sec links) to the same
ISP. We are doing BGP because we plan to add a second ISP at one of our
locations in the future. We are not any near a large enterprise, this
will be replacing two DSL lines and a T1.
On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Everton Marques wrote:
Would Cisco ISR G2 3925E classify as software-based router?
Yes.
Do you expect it to bend itself down under a few Mbps of 64-byte packets?
Especially if they're directed at the router itself, at some point, sure -
though the ISR2 certainly
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net wrote:
On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Everton Marques wrote:
Would Cisco ISR G2 3925E classify as software-based router?
Yes.
Do you expect it to bend itself down under a few Mbps of 64-byte packets?
Especially if they're
On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Brent Jones wrote:
A high end ASIC can handle millions/tens of millions PPS, but directed
to the control plane (which is often a general purpose CPU as well,
Intel or PowerPC), probably not in most scenarios.
CoPP.
Brent,
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Brent Jones br...@servuhome.net wrote:
Lots of devices can have trouble if you direct high PPS to the control
plane, and will exhibit performance degradation, leading up to a DoS
eventually.
That isn't limited to software based routers at all, it will
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:
I presume by a fair amount, I presume you mean barely any?
At large packet sizes, an enterprise level router will just about handle
a 1G DoS attack. Thing is, bandwidth DoS / DDoS is sufficiently easy to
[snip]
How much
On 9/12/2011 3:12 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
On Sep 13, 2011, at 2:45 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
In your typical enterprise environment, a 1G DoS will zorch the link long
before it zorches the router at the enterprise side.
This contradicts my experience - I've repeatedly witnessed only a few
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