We just built a new house in 2021. The builder ran 2" schedule 40 from the
side of the house out to the distribution point in front of my neighbor's
house. I didn't specify 2" - that's what the builder ran. A portion of
that run must have existed before construction because no one had to tear
up
If anyone assumes that residential real estate general contractors and low
voltage/wiring subcontractors know or care about wifi signal or not putting
RF units inside metal boxes - that would be a bad assumption to make.
On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 10:18 PM Jay Hennigan wrote:
> On 12/6/23 23:22,
On Wed, 6 Dec 2023, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I think an important point for pre-wire and residential real estate
developers to consider is also the conflicting needs of keeping things "neat
and tidy" and last mile CPE location vs wifi coverage.
The answer is always 5G - 5G - 5G.
A 5G solution means
On 12/6/23 23:22, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I think an important point for pre-wire and residential real estate
developers to consider is also the conflicting needs of keeping things
"neat and tidy" and last mile CPE location vs wifi coverage.
If you assume that the appropriate place for a wifi
I think an important point for pre-wire and residential real estate
developers to consider is also the conflicting needs of keeping things
"neat and tidy" and last mile CPE location vs wifi coverage.
Your typical new build residential construction will have something like
this in it for telecom
On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 3:45 AM Sean Donelan wrote:
> U.S. NEC does not require any mechanical protection for fiber cables. You
> can run "bare" fiber cables through most residential spaces (with a few
> exceptions for jacket material, i.e. direct burial cable not allowed
> inside habital
You've misunderstood the goal.
The intent is not to protect the fiber, but to make it easier for the
field tech installing new service in a neat way through finished
construction and concealled raceways, without cutting sheetrock or
stapling exposed cabling across walls.
Trying to prevent
Thanks Sean!
Looks like over priced residential inner duct to me. Sheet rock
accomplishes pretty much the same thing. I want reliable home Internet too,
but it’s not a CO. I’d install a PVC sleeve on the OSP to ISP transition.
The risk of outage isn’t going to materially move one way or the other
I should have known better, network engineers don't work on the physical
infrastructure very much anymore - memories of sitting on concrete floors
crimping cable ends in to many IXPs :-)
If you never seen or installed ENT Electrical Nonmetallic Tubing
Conduit, also known as "smurf tube" --
On 12/2/23 15:09, Jay Hennigan wrote:
Rigid conduit is essentially galvanized plumbing pipe. Very rare in new
construction other than for overhead electrical service entrance. It's
extremely heavy and difficult to work with. As its name suggests, it's
quite rigid. Not easily bent or cut and
On 12/2/23 11:59, Brandon Martin wrote:
On 12/1/23 05:18, Josh Luthman wrote:
Keep in mind new construction versus having to get around drywall.
Rigid conduit is great if you can get it. If you can, by all means go
for it!
Rigid conduit is essentially galvanized plumbing pipe. Very rare
On 12/1/23 05:18, Josh Luthman wrote:
Keep in mind new construction versus having to get around drywall.
Rigid conduit is great if you can get it. If you can, by all means go
for it!
However, if the outside utility aggregation point is not pretty much on
the other side of the wall from
On 11/30/23 20:55, o...@delong.com wrote:
For the most part out here, if it’s going behind sheetrock,
contractors/electricians just run Romex or whatever in bare stud holes
without any form of conduit.
The nice thing about ENT (or other corrugated plastic conduit) from a
residential
Keep in mind new construction versus having to get around drywall.
2" is beyond excessive. We use 1.25" duct for our 288ct *PLUS* up to 6
flat drop cables.
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 7:45 PM Brandon Martin
wrote:
> On 11/28/23 10:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Why not just use SCH40 PVC sticks?
On 11/28/23 12:43, Owen DeLong wrote:
I’ve never used ENT (never even seen that name, TBH). 1” EMT is readily
available at Home Depot and Lowes out here as well as several reputable supply
houses.
The nice thing about promoting industry standards is clever products to
meet those standards
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:56 AM owen--- via NANOG wrote:
> However, apparently ENT was a predecessor to that, I just hadn’t encountered
> it until now. I don’t recall even seeing it in the aisles at local HDs. I’ll
> have to look for it.
Apparently I spend more time roaming the aisles
of the
> On Nov 30, 2023, at 16:50, Brandon Martin wrote:
>
> On 11/28/23 12:43, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I’ve never used ENT (never even seen that name, TBH). 1” EMT is readily
>> available at Home Depot and Lowes out here as well as several reputable
>> supply houses.
> ...
>> Interesting… ENT is
On 11/28/23 12:43, Owen DeLong wrote:
I’ve never used ENT (never even seen that name, TBH). 1” EMT is readily
available at Home Depot and Lowes out here as well as several reputable supply
houses.
...
Interesting… ENT is apparently plastic and has interesting snap fittings. Until
this
On 11/28/23 10:42, Mike Hammett wrote:
Why not just use SCH40 PVC sticks? Everywhere stocks that in copious levels.
Ever tried to snake one of those through a wall?
They're great for just pushing through a wall penetration to something
directly adjacent on the inside, though. At that point
On Tue, 28 Nov 2023, Stan Barber wrote:
That being said, I would ask if the home is being prewired for alarm
services or not. If so, you could find an avenue to ask about other things.
My sister and her husband just bought a new house outside of Dallas and it
is coming prewired for RG6, wired
I am not personally aware of such a standard that is used in every state,
but it is worth checking with the state authority to see what standards are
applicable in the state.
That being said, I would ask if the home is being prewired for alarm
services or not. If so, you could find an avenue to
My relative is buying a new house is a typical American surbuban tract
housing development. Yep, I'm the extended family I.T. consultant.
The marketing brochure calls it "custom home" but he only gets to talk to
the developer's "design consultants", i.e. sales people. The developer
has a
> On Nov 28, 2023, at 07:27, Brandon Martin wrote:
>
> On 11/27/23 18:52, owen--- via NANOG wrote:
>> Why would 1” be significantly harder to get than 3/4”? Both in EMT and PVC,
>> it’s readily available to the best of my knowledge.
>
> Most residential electrical contractors are going to
> On Nov 27, 2023, at 5:52 PM, o...@delong.com wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Nov 27, 2023, at 11:45, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>>
>> That’s exactly what I did. I was able to get a 3/4 conduit from my furnace
>> room/network closet to the exterior of my home where utilities enter. It
>> took some doing
2023 9:27:58 AM
Subject: Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference
On 11/27/23 18:52, owen--- via NANOG wrote:
> Why would 1” be significantly harder to get than 3/4”? Both in EMT and PVC,
> it’s readily available to the best of my knowledge.
Most residential electr
On 11/27/23 18:52, owen--- via NANOG wrote:
Why would 1” be significantly harder to get than 3/4”? Both in EMT and PVC,
it’s readily available to the best of my knowledge.
Most residential electrical contractors are going to use rated ENT since
it's what they can easily get at a normal
> On Nov 27, 2023, at 11:45, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
> That’s exactly what I did. I was able to get a 3/4 conduit from my furnace
> room/network closet to the exterior of my home where utilities enter. It took
> some doing but I got it in, terminated in a NEMA box.
Why would 1” be
That’s exactly what I did. I was able to get a 3/4 conduit from my furnace
room/network closet to the exterior of my home where utilities enter. It took
some doing but I got it in, terminated in a NEMA box.
When we got fiber a few years ago, the installer told me it was the easiest
install
On 11/27/2023 09:12, Josh Luthman wrote:
If I was building a house I'd just get some 1" conduit from the outside
to the inside. Put it in a NEMA box. That solves the problem forever.
1" is great if you can get it, and I'd try to argue for it. I'd settle
for 3/4"
Builders and resi
If I was building a house I'd just get some 1" conduit from the outside to
the inside. Put it in a NEMA box. That solves the problem forever.
As a fiber ISP, and assuming you're doing your own WiFi in the house, you
can do conduit inside or we can just run the fiber. We don't want to run
Thanks Brandon Martin,
I agree 1-inch smurf tube is overkill for FTTH. From my quick research
into all things FTTH, which I didn't know anything a week ago :-) ...
The regulators in other countries still believe they will create
competition. The 25mm/32mm access duct (I'm going to make up a
Sorry long, detailed message.
TL;DR - Use 1-inch trade size smurf tube for new North America FTTH
construction.
North American FTTH may not have standards for the in-building access
conduit between the demarc point, Minimum Point of Entry (MPOE) in the old
terminology, and the dwelling's
On 11/22/23 12:35, Sean Donelan wrote:
For *only* $1,000, the builder is willing to pre-install a smurf tube
from the demarc to the central distribution point. But such a deal
for 5G
Yeah that's ridiculous. Running such a thing while the walls are still
open is a piece of cake, and
, 2023 4:35 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Outside plant - prewire customer demarc preference
For *only* $1,000, the builder is willing to pre-install a smurf tube from
the demarc to the central distribution point. But such a deal for 5G
Since most fiber installs seem to use pre
For *only* $1,000, the builder is willing to pre-install a smurf tube from
the demarc to the central distribution point. But such a deal for 5G
Since most fiber installs seem to use pre-connectorized cable, without
affecting building structure integrity (i.e. 2-inch is too big
- Original Message -
> From: "Sean Donelan"
> Around here, the local carrier seems to have stopped FTTH deployment.
> Instead, the carrier is convincing home builders not to spend money on
> demarc pre-wire. Wireless Home 5G service is all customers' need.
>
> Of course, the lack of
Around here, the local carrier seems to have stopped FTTH deployment.
Instead, the carrier is convincing home builders not to spend money on
demarc pre-wire. Wireless Home 5G service is all customers' need.
Of course, the lack of demarc planning makes things more expensive for
any
On 11/19/23 16:54, Sean Donelan wrote:
Of course, every local carrier will be different, what are the current
preferences for pre-wiring a customer demarc (NID, the box that hangs on
the outside of the house, whatever the service provider calls it now)?
1. Nothing - telco/cable will do
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