Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-20 Thread Marian Ďurkovič
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 09:37:35PM -0500, Phil Bedard wrote: I think in fairly short order both TRILL and 802.1AQ will be depercated in place of VXLAN and using BGP EVPN as the control plane ala Juniper QFX5100/Nexus 9300. We also evaluated VXLAN for IXP deployment, since Trident-2

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-20 Thread Phil Bedard
For many people eliminating L2 switching and building on top of a L3 network is a good thing, especially if you are using BGP as the control plane. I'm not sure I follow the two routers with 40GE interfaces if you are just building L2 domains to interconnect people. Phil On 1/20/15,

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-19 Thread Phil Bedard
On 1/17/15, 7:15 PM, Saku Ytti s...@ytti.fi wrote: On (2015-01-17 12:02 +0100), Marian Ďurkovič wrote: Our experience after 100 days of production is only the best - TRILL setup is pretty straightforward and thanks to IS-IS it provides shortest-path IP-like routing for L2 ethernet packets

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/01/2015 10:12, Marian Ďurkovič wrote: Thus if you use VPLS or SPB-M on Trident HW, the egress PE doesn't support per-flow loadbalancing on IXP participants' LAGs. not completely true. Extreme XOS has an interesting hack to work around this. Nick

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-19 Thread Marian Ďurkovič
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 09:15:04PM +0200, Saku Ytti wrote: On (2015-01-17 12:02 +0100), Marian Ďurkovič wrote: Our experience after 100 days of production is only the best - TRILL setup is pretty straightforward and thanks to IS-IS it provides shortest-path IP-like routing for L2

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-17 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2015-01-17 12:02 +0100), Marian Ďurkovič wrote: Our experience after 100 days of production is only the best - TRILL setup is pretty straightforward and thanks to IS-IS it provides shortest-path IP-like routing for L2 ethernet packets over any reasonable topology out of the box

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-17 Thread Marian Ďurkovič
Last year we installed four 1RU TRILL switches in SIX - see http://www.six.sk/images/trill_ring.png Our experience after 100 days of production is only the best - TRILL setup is pretty straightforward and thanks to IS-IS it provides shortest-path IP-like routing for L2 ethernet packets over

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-15 Thread Stephen R. Carter
We always adhere to JTAC: http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=contentid=KB21476actp=SUBSCRI PTION unless otherwise required by their support to change. Currently it is Junos 13.2X51-D26. My advice to you is to not use 14.1 unless you have a reason, as that is more of a dev branch in

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-15 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Stephen R. Carter stephen.car...@gltgc.org wrote: We love our 5100s here. Out of interest: Are you running 13.2 or 14.1? What features are you using? Our own experiences with a bunch of 48 96 port machines running 14.1 is painful to say the least. Richard

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-15 Thread Chuck Anderson
...@esds.com.br Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP QFX5100 is SDN ready. -- Eduardo Schoedler 2015-01-13 6:29 GMT-02:00 Stepan Kucherenko t...@megagroup.ru: Is there any particular reason you prefer

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:25:30 AM Jeff Tantsura wrote: AhhhŠ vertically integrated horizontal API¹s Green, vertically integrated horizontal API's :-). Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:47:09 AM Jeff Tantsura wrote: Got you - artificially disabling 90% of the features otherwise supported by the OS and using half baked HAL makes product SDN ready! Sorry for the sarcasm, couldn¹t resist :) I once tested a Junos release with the X blah blah D

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Michael Smith
You can see what we have at the SIX here -  http://www.seattleix.net/topology.html Mike -- Michael K. Smith mksm...@mac.com On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Manuel Marín m...@transtelco.net wrote: Dear Nanog community We are trying to build a new IXP in some US Metro areas where we have multiple

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Stepan Kucherenko
Is there any particular reason you prefer EX4600 over QFX5100 ? Not counting obvious differences like ports and upgrade options. It's the same chipset after all, and with all upgrades they have the same 10G density (with breakouts). Is that because you can have more 40G ports with EX4600 ? I'm

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
QFX5100 is SDN ready. -- Eduardo Schoedler 2015-01-13 6:29 GMT-02:00 Stepan Kucherenko t...@megagroup.ru: Is there any particular reason you prefer EX4600 over QFX5100 ? Not counting obvious differences like ports and upgrade options. It's the same chipset after all, and with all upgrades

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Stephen R. Carter
We love our 5100s here. I have 4 48S, and 2 24q¹s. Super fast, TISSU when it works is awesome as well... like, really awesome. Stephen Carter | IT Systems Administrator | Gun Lake Tribal Gaming Commission 1123 129th Avenue, Wayland, MI 49348 Phone 269.792.1773 On 1/13/15, 3:29 AM, Stepan

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Jeff Tantsura
: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP On 13/01/2015 22:10, Jeff Tantsura wrote: What does it mean - to be SDN ready? it means fully buzzword compliant. Nick

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
Schoedler lis...@esds.com.br Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP QFX5100 is SDN ready. -- Eduardo Schoedler 2015-01-13 6:29 GMT-02:00 Stepan Kucherenko t...@megagroup.ru: Is there any

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Tim Raphael
...@esds.com.br Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP QFX5100 is SDN ready. -- Eduardo Schoedler 2015-01-13 6:29 GMT-02:00 Stepan Kucherenko t...@megagroup.ru: Is there any particular reason

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Jeff Tantsura
at 2:28 PM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP My mistake, it's the OCX1100. http://www.networkworld.com/article/2855056/sdn/juniper-unbundles-switch-h ardware-software.html 2015-01-13 20:10 GMT-02:00 Jeff Tantsura jeff.tants...@ericsson.com

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Simon Leinen
Manuel Marín writes: Dear Nanog community [...] There are so many options that I don't know if it makes sense to start with a modular switch (usually expensive because the backplane, dual dc, dual CPU, etc) or start with a 1RU high density switch that support new protocols like Trill and that

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Jeff Tantsura
What does it mean - to be SDN ready? Cheers, Jeff -Original Message- From: Eduardo Schoedler lis...@esds.com.br Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP QFX5100 is SDN ready. -- Eduardo

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-13 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 13/01/2015 22:10, Jeff Tantsura wrote: What does it mean - to be SDN ready? it means fully buzzword compliant. Nick

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Mike Hammett
I look forward to this thread. I think one important thing is who is your addressable market size? I'm working with a startup IXP and there's only 20 carriers in the building. A chassis based switch would be silly as there would never be that many people present. 2x 1U switches would be more

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 12/01/2015 06:35, Manuel Marín wrote: We are trying to build a new IXP in some US Metro areas where we have multiple POPs and I was wondering what do you recommend for L2 switches. I know that some IXPs use Nexus, Brocade, Force10 but I don't personally have experience with these switches.

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Aaron
We used to use Brocade FastIrons until we needed more 10G port density. We moved to Brocade SX's. Originally, when it was 2 or 3 peers, we used an old Netgear switch. :) Aaron On 1/12/2015 7:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I look forward to this thread. I think one important thing is who is

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
Substantial amounts of hive mind went into this topic in the formation of Open-IX and particularly around optimizing costs and maximizing traffic. See http://bit.ly/N-OIX1 for a reference. Best, -M On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: Like Mike says,

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Justin Wilson - MTIN
Like Mike says, it depends on your market. Are these markets where there are existing exchanges? Cost per port is what we always look at. If we are going into a market where there won’t be much growth we look at Cisco and Force 10. Their cost per port is usually cheaper for smaller 10 Gig

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: [ clip, good stuff ] - you should get in with the open-ix crowd and chat to people over pizza or peanuts. You will learn a lot from in an afternoon of immersion with peers. And you can find that crowd here

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, January 12, 2015 05:54:38 PM Bill Woodcock wrote: We see a lot of IXPs being formed or upgrading with Cisco Nexus 3524 switches, which have 48 1G-10G SFP/SFP+ physical ports, license-limited to 24 active, upgradeable to 48 active. FWIW, 83% of IXPs have 48 or fewer participants,

RE: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Tony Wicks
People seem to be avoiding recommending actual devices, well I would recommend the Juniper EX4600 - http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4600/ They are affordable, highly scalable, stackable and run JunOS. cheers

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Mehmet Akcin
That's what I had recommended him directly ;) Mehmet On Jan 12, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Tony Wicks t...@wicks.co.nz wrote: People seem to be avoiding recommending actual devices, well I would recommend the Juniper EX4600 -

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Tony Wicks t...@wicks.co.nz wrote: People seem to be avoiding recommending actual devices, well I would recommend the Juniper EX4600 - http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ex-series/ex4600/ They are affordable, highly scalable, stackable

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Mark Tinka
On Monday, January 12, 2015 11:41:20 PM Tony Wicks wrote: People seem to be avoiding recommending actual devices, well I would recommend the Juniper EX4600 - http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/switching/ ex-series/ex4600/ They are affordable, highly scalable, stackable and

Re: Recommended L2 switches for a new IXP

2015-01-12 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jan 12, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: Cost per port is what we always look at. If we are going into a market where there won’t be much growth we look at Cisco and Force 10. Their cost per port is usually cheaper for smaller 10 Gig switches. You need