Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-07 Thread MAWATARI Masataka
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Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Simon Perreault wrote: On 2011-03-04 08:32, Francois Tigeot wrote: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca/ What about its integration in upstream software ? None of it is integrated yet. but I've not seen any real information for the nat part in pf or iptables. Pf has changed a

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2011-03-04 08:32, Francois Tigeot wrote: >> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca/ > > What about its integration in upstream software ? None of it is integrated yet. > The dns64 part is integrated in the newly released Bind 9.8 That's not our code. ISC made their own DNS64 implementation for Bind 9.8.

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 08:25:15AM -0500, Simon Perreault wrote: > On 2011-03-03 15:31, Elliot Finley wrote: > > So as not to re-invent the wheel - if you are currently doing NAT64 in > > production and are willing to share: > > > > What software/hardware are you using? > > http://ecdysis.viageni

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2011-03-03 15:31, Elliot Finley wrote: > So as not to re-invent the wheel - if you are currently doing NAT64 in > production and are willing to share: > > What software/hardware are you using? http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca/ > Why? Dogfooding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eating_your_own_dog_foo

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread TJ
Apologies, was thinking 6over4 ... And I still think we could have done better at naming these (DSTM, anyone?) Thanks, TJ's Droid2 On Mar 4, 2011 2:40 AM, "Owen DeLong" wrote: > He is mistaken... HE Tunnels are an example of 6in4 and it is not deprecated, > but, some original mechanisms for 6in4

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
9:27 +0900 Para: Jordi Palet Martinez CC: Asunto: Re: Real World NAT64 deployments >> 6to4 is an automatic transition mechanism > ^ non- > >which allows an end site to have horrible v6 pseudo-connectivity over a >provider who ha

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread Randy Bush
> 6to4 is an automatic transition mechanism ^ non- which allows an end site to have horrible v6 pseudo-connectivity over a provider who has not deployed ipv6 randy

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-04 Thread Tom Hill
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 16:33 -0700, Elliot Finley wrote: > You are correct. I'm talking about the NAT64 portion of NAT64/DNS64. > > Elliot Andrews & Arnold (http://aaisp.net.uk) have a NAT64 gateway which is operated by a Firebrick 6202, IIRC. As an ISP this is really for a handful of IPv6-only

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Owen DeLong
He is mistaken... HE Tunnels are an example of 6in4 and it is not deprecated, but, some original mechanisms for 6in4 to which he may be referring were deprecated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6in4 Owen On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Karl Auer wrote: > On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 20:27 -0500, TJ wrote:

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread sthaug
> > 6to4 is handy as a toy or for experimenting, but it relies on a loose > > network of generous volunteers who, while generous, are neither > > generous nor numerous enough to support production traffic. > > Any ISP that is delivering IPv6 to their clients would be insane > to not run a 6to4 rel

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Karl Auer
On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 20:27 -0500, TJ wrote: > 6in4 == deprecated automatic tunneling mechanism ... HE is an example of > manually configured Protocol41 encaps. Deprecated? Do you have a reference...? Thanks, K. -- ~~~ Karl Aue

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Owen DeLong
HE uses 6in4. 6in4 is basically the same protocol as 6to4, but, with defined end-points for point-to-point tunneling packets from multipoint to multipoint. 6to4, conversely, uses anycast to identify the tunnel exit point towards the IPv6 network or to identify the tunnel entry point towards the IP

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:54 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Hammer wrote: >> I need a cheat sheet. >> >> nat64 >> 6to4nat >> 6in4nat >> etc... > > 6to4 and 6in4 are not NAT. They're tunnels (VPNs) that allow two IPv6 > nodes to talk to each other via an IPv4 backbone. >

RE: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Frank Bulk
2011 7:17 PM To: William Herrin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Real World NAT64 deployments Any ISP that is delivering IPv6 to their clients would be insane to not run a 6to4 relays for return traffic to 2002::/16. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Austral

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 08:27:18PM -0500, TJ wrote: > And 6to4 doesn't allow IPv6 to talk to IPv4, contrary to what the name seems > to imply :). > > Some poorly chosen names for our tunneling, yes? I think 6automaticallyover4 was determined to be too long. :P -- Leo

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread TJ
6in4 == deprecated automatic tunneling mechanism ... HE is an example of manually configured Protocol41 encaps. And 6to4 doesn't allow IPv6 to talk to IPv4, contrary to what the name seems to imply :). Some poorly chosen names for our tunneling, yes? Thanks, TJ's Droid2 On Mar 3, 2011 6:27 PM, "

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Will iam Herrin writes: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Hammer wrote: > > A little better. So what's the difference between 6to4 and 6in4? > Isn't 6in4 what HE uses? > > I haven't used 6in4 so I couldn't tell you. > > 6to4 is a stateless tunnelling protocol. You have a dual-stack

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Elliot Finley
> > Ok, apparently there is NAT64 and there is NAT64. I don't believe the > poster was talking about a v6 load balancer VIP with v4 servers. I > think the OP is talking about the NAT64 portion of NAT64/DNS64 where > native v6 source and destination IPs are NATed to v4 destination and > source IPs

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Hammer wrote: > A little better. So what's the difference between 6to4 and 6in4? Isn't 6in4 > what HE uses? I haven't used 6in4 so I couldn't tell you. 6to4 is a stateless tunnelling protocol. You have a dual-stacked router. It has an IPv4 address, 1.2.3.4. Theref

RE: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread George Bonser
> From: Elliot Finley > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:31 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Real World NAT64 deployments > > So as not to re-invent the wheel - if you are currently doing NAT64 in > production and are willing to share: > > What software/hardw

RE: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread George Bonser
> -Original Message- > From: Elliot Finley > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:31 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Real World NAT64 deployments > > So as not to re-invent the wheel - if you are currently doing NAT64 in > production and are willing to s

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: Hammer Responder a: Fecha: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:01:29 -0600 Para: William Herrin CC: Asunto: Re: Real World NAT64 deployments >A little better. So what's the difference between 6to4 and 6in4? Isn't >6in4 >what HE uses? > &g

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Hammer
A little better. So what's the difference between 6to4 and 6in4? Isn't 6in4 what HE uses? -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd." -Jack Herer On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Hammer wrote: > > I need a cheat sheet. > > > > nat64 >

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Hammer wrote: > I need a cheat sheet. > > nat64 > 6to4nat > 6in4nat > etc... 6to4 and 6in4 are not NAT. They're tunnels (VPNs) that allow two IPv6 nodes to talk to each other via an IPv4 backbone. nat64 is NAT. It allows IPv6 endpoints to communicate with IPv4 end

Re: Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Hammer
I need a cheat sheet. nat64 6to4nat 6in4nat etc... -Hammer- "I was a normal American nerd." -Jack Herer On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Elliot Finley wrote: > So as not to re-invent the wheel - if you are currently doing NAT64 in > production and are willing to share: > > What software/h

Real World NAT64 deployments

2011-03-03 Thread Elliot Finley
So as not to re-invent the wheel - if you are currently doing NAT64 in production and are willing to share: What software/hardware are you using? Why? TIA Elliot