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On 1/18/22 22:27, Jordan Hazen wrote: Yes, but separate from their absolute low-voltage cutoff meant to protect battery cells, these hybrid storage products include a user-adjustable reserve setpoint, meant to balance their backup role with grid support and peak-shaving. Yes. In the

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On 1/18/22 23:17, Joe Maimon wrote: The inverter in question is the one being utilized in conjunction with the powerwall, ats, solar array. All nicely done and reliable and wired in already and with proper capacity. Being able to call for and get more DC power on demand would make this

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On 1/18/22 22:31, Michael Thomas wrote: I have a SolarEdge inverter and they are still working on the software. I don't know if that's true across their product line, but I would think that the software would be pretty portable. SMA on this side. Highly configurable, and you don't even

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Mark Tinka wrote: On 1/18/22 18:15, Joe Maimon wrote: Now how about some programming available so you can decide what thresholds and conditions remote start your genny which powers the rectifier which substitutes|augments the solar array? Any half decent battery inverters will be

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:38:53AM -0500, Jay wrote: > Greetings, > I am a home user. Much of my home has been rewired to run off of > 12-volts D.C. from a large 1200 Amp/Hour LiFePO4 battery bank that is > recharged using Solar. All my lighting, ceiling fans, water pump, Ham > radio

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On 1/18/22 12:24 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 1/18/22 18:15, Joe Maimon wrote: Now how about some programming available so you can decide what thresholds and conditions remote start your genny which powers the rectifier which substitutes|augments the solar array? Any half decent battery

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On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 05:11:57PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > I don't use the Tesla Powerwall, but Li-Ion is generally the same > regardless of who packages it. The difference will be what the OEM > decides to set the low-voltage cut-off to on the inverter and/or BMS. Yes, but separate from

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On 1/18/22 18:15, Joe Maimon wrote: Now how about some programming available so you can decide what thresholds and conditions remote start your genny which powers the rectifier which substitutes|augments the solar array? Any half decent battery inverters will be able to adequately

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On 1/17/22 3:39 PM, Jordan wrote: One of these, the one originally used for DSL, would always go down for both voice and data when the SLC lost power-- no DC, no dialtone, no DSL, while the other two remained up. Despite several claims of a resolution, this was never properly fixed I never

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Mark Tinka wrote: On 1/18/22 00:26, Jordan wrote: Wow, that's a nice program. Do you know what they keep the "reserve percentage" set to, the proportion of stored energy that will never be discharged for grid-support, but held back for island-mode use in case of an outage? I don't use

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On 1/18/22 00:26, Jordan wrote: Wow, that's a nice program. Do you know what they keep the "reserve percentage" set to, the proportion of stored energy that will never be discharged for grid-support, but held back for island-mode use in case of an outage? I don't use the Tesla Powerwall,

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 02:06:39PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > > For my ISP, they maintain backup power for both DSL and POTS. I > suspect that for a lot of DSL that would hold true because it's > relatively easy for them to power since they already have the > battery backup requirements for

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:29:13PM +, John Lightfoot wrote: > > In Vermont I have a Tesla Powerwall that Green Mountain Power > paid for if I agreed to let them manage it. Since then I've > never had an outage of any kind, I usually figure out that there > is one by seeing my neighbors'

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+180v and -180v for a total of 360v. At really low amperage. Still makes a respectable bang if you short it on the MDF. It gets converted on-site, either in the DSLAM or in a separate box. I think it's 12v to the ONT. On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 3:30 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 1/17/22 2:39 PM,

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On 1/17/22 2:39 PM, Jordan wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 02:06:39PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: For my ISP, they maintain backup power for both DSL and POTS. I suspect that for a lot of DSL that would hold true because it's relatively easy for them to power since they already have the

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On 1/17/22 2:24 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: My "small" (< ~5,000 customers) ISP won't uncheck that box for me no matter how much I beg, plead, or offer to bring them snacks for their office. Chuckle. They keep mumbling stuff about FCC requirements which I suspect is just

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On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 11:43 AM Jeff Shultz wrote: > BTW, Calix ONTs default to "Disable on battery = on" for the GigE ports - > it's checkbox in the config to turn that off so they stay up when the power > is out. Which we do uncheck. Particularly since we've going increasingly > VOIP and our

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As one of those Telco/ISP's, it's growing more and more likely that DSL/POTS are now on the same card and they are all tied into the 48V battery and generator protected plant. And Alpha Electronics is probably selling a lot of those Power over Copper systems for powering remote Calix E3-12C and

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On 1/14/22 18:47, Michael Thomas wrote: Y'all are power hogs. We're at about 350 watts most of the time, and even that bugs me. When the kids leave the house in a few years, that footprint should come down for us. It's amazing how much power a PS4 in full swing draws... Then again, we

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On 1/13/22 8:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 1/13/22 17:56, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: I bought one of those power monitors and tossed it on the circuit that goes into my house.  At *night* when everything is off, I might get down as far as ~800 watts. During the day it's more like

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On 1/13/22 17:56, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: I bought one of those power monitors and tossed it on the circuit that goes into my house.  At *night* when everything is off, I might get down as far as ~800 watts. During the day it's more like 2,000-3,500. Almost the same here...

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On 1/13/22 17:38, Jay wrote: Greetings,    I am a home user.  Much of my home has been rewired to run off of 12-volts D.C. from a large 1200 Amp/Hour LiFePO4 battery bank that is recharged using Solar.  All my lighting, ceiling fans, water pump, Ham radio gear, weather alert radio, USB

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: Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:28 AM To: Scott T Anderson via NANOG Subject: RE: home router battery backup Hi everyone, Thanks very much for all the responses throughout the day. They are very helpful. Your (collective) answers triggered a couple follow-on questions: For those individuals

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On 1/12/22 3:11 PM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote: Hi everyone, Thanks very much for all the responses throughout the day. They are very helpful. Your (collective) answers triggered a couple follow-on questions: For those individuals with backup battery power for their modem/router,

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On 1/12/22 9:21 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 1/12/22 21:41, Michael Thomas wrote: We just installed a battery too, but it will probably only last ~1 day and much less than that in winter. We're in the process of looking at a generator that interfaces directly with the inverter so that it

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:00 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Dave Taht said: > > I tend also to hang a good gps off a second usb port, if available. > > There's a topic for geeks - does anyone else really know (or care) > > what time it really is? > > 25 (or 6) to 4? > > Running GPS

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Yep, a pair of long nose pliers and that beeper pops right off the board, real easy.

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Once upon a time, Dave Taht said: > I tend also to hang a good gps off a second usb port, if available. > There's a topic for geeks - does anyone else really know (or care) > what time it really is? 25 (or 6) to 4? Running GPS over USB for timing makes me twitch though - too much jitter! :)

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Once upon a time, Dave Taht said: > Also, I *hate* the beeps. It's dark out, I know the powers off, darn > it, no need to beep. That's why I buy 'smart' upses because you can > tell them not beep. You can tell ANY UPS to not beep... sometimes it just requires more force (and wire cutters). --

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> I tend also to hang a good gps off a second usb port, if available. > There's a topic for geeks - does anyone else really know (or care) > what time it really is? if so i can't imagine why (no, no) we've all got time enough to cry (oddly apropos for the topic of power outages)

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ursday, January 13, 2022 12:07 PM To: Ryland Kremeier<mailto:rkreme...@barryelectric.com> Cc: Stephen Stuart<mailto:stu...@tech.org>; Jared Mauch<mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net>; nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: home router battery backup On Thu, Jan 13, 20

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b port, if available. There's a topic for geeks - does anyone else really know (or care) what time it really is? > > > Thank you, > > -- Ryland > > > > From: Stephen Stuart > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 11:58 AM > To: Jared Mauch > Cc: nanog@nanog.org

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:56 AM Stephen Stuart wrote: > > [...] > > note that if your ups has a usb port, you can attach a raspberry pi > and run upsmon to be told (among other things) when the battery > requires replacement rather than rely on hearing the beeps. good for > the out-of-the-way

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Thanks for this! Definitely going to look into doing this! Thank you, -- Ryland From: Stephen Stuart<mailto:stu...@tech.org> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 11:58 AM To: Jared Mauch<mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: home rou

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[...] note that if your ups has a usb port, you can attach a raspberry pi and run upsmon to be told (among other things) when the battery requires replacement rather than rely on hearing the beeps. good for the out-of-the-way closets with network gear.

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> On Jan 13, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Brandon Martin said: >> AT and Comcast don't seem to provide battery by default if you buy >> voice service from them. > > The only major power outage I've experienced at my house (I've been here > over 20 years) was

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on Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 05:35:19PM +, Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote: > Hi NANOG mailing list, > > I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power > outages affect home Internet users. Not a netadmin, but longtime sysadmin, and have been working from home for over a

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Once upon a time, Brandon Martin said: > AT and Comcast don't seem to provide battery by default if you buy > voice service from them. The only major power outage I've experienced at my house (I've been here over 20 years) was the May 2011 tornado outbreak, when TVA lost hundreds of distribution

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> On Jan 12, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG > wrote: > > For those individuals with backup battery power for their modem/router, do > they maintain Internet access throughout a power outage (as long as their > backup power solution works)? I.e., does the

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Has this xkcd gone by yet? https://xkcd.com/705/ I would actually like a study of how network "glitches" and outages affect more normal humanity. I did - and it took years to relax this much - finally get to the point to when the power went out, I'd take a walk, find a book, or do something

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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:41 AM Jay wrote: > We consume around 150 watts on DC and generally around 600 watts on AC > (unless a freezer or air conditioner cycles on). When the power goes out, > sometimes we don't immediately notice it! I think I am living inside a > giant UPS, and more

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On 1/13/22 17:44, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: The utility had never experienced that before either. The entire city only had a couple hours notice that this would be happening. Oh well. We got through it. Chances are they have since upgraded their experience and procedures for this occurrence

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> On Jan 13, 2022, at 9:22 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > >> The power company said the rotating outages would be 30-45 minutes, which I >> do have UPS capacity to handle. But the rotating outage went close to 2 >> hours, exhausting my UPS capacity and getting to the point where I was more >>

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.com From: Scott T Anderson via NANOG Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:28 AM To: Scott T Anderson via NANOG Subject: RE: home router battery backup Hi everyone, Thanks very much for all the responses throughout the day. They are very helpful. Your (collective) answers triggered a couple

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On 1/13/22 17:15, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: The power company said the rotating outages would be 30-45 minutes, which I do have UPS capacity to handle. But the rotating outage went close to 2 hours, exhausting my UPS capacity and getting to the point where I was more concerned about the

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> On Jan 12, 2022, at 5:11 PM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG > wrote: > > For those individuals with backup battery power for their modem/router, do > they maintain Internet access throughout a power outage (as long as their > backup power solution works)? I.e., does the rest of the ISP

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On 1/13/22 01:11, Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote: For those individuals with backup battery power for their modem/router, do they maintain Internet access throughout a power outage (as long as their backup power solution works)? I.e., does the rest of the ISP network maintain service

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On 1/13/22 04:02, Mike Hammett wrote: Armchair quarterbacking here: Increasing --- Demand Age of infrastructure Capital Costs Operational Costs Government mismanagement Pressure from the tree huggers to lower carbon output that results from "traditional" power generation, and yet nobody

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On 1/12/22 23:34, Mike Hammett wrote: Keeping one's spouse happy is FAR more important than keeping a router or modem online.  ;-) In some circles, that may be one and the same thing :-). Mark.

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On 1/12/22 20:37, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: Same.  My home office has 3 Cyberpower 2500 VA double-conversion UPS units backed by Champion transfer switches.  Power goes out, and ~45 seconds later I'm running on generator power. My local ISP runs out of power well before I do.

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On 1/12/22 9:35 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: From what I've seen on the market, home router or "residential gateway" devices with built-in battery backup typically only provide backup for FXS style analog POTS services, not for data, wireless, etc. This was definitely the case for the Verizon FiOS

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:03 AM Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote: > requiring ISPs to provide an option to voice customers to > purchase a battery backup for emergency voice services > during power outages. As this is only an option and only > applies to customers who subscribe to voice

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On 1/12/22 23:01, Sabri Berisha wrote: Same here. A small UPS that will keep my modem, router, and POE for APs alive for the time I need to run outside and hook up my generator when PG decides to cut the power again. A bigger UPS for the small 19" rack that hosts some stuff. Top Gear Top

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On 1/12/22 21:41, Michael Thomas wrote: We just installed a battery too, but it will probably only last ~1 day and much less than that in winter. We're in the process of looking at a generator that interfaces directly with the inverter so that it handles the grid, the battery, the solar

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On 1/12/22 20:50, Sean Donelan wrote: Need to look at the entire infrastructure.  Now, its less about backup for the hardwired router, and better utility backups and construction for mobile provider infrastructure. Over here, if there is an outage, most people lose their home Internet,

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It appears that Shawn L via NANOG said: >In $dayjob I work for a telco that deploys fiber to the home. If we are > providing voice services over fiber a battery backup is installed (we main >tain) that powers the customer's phone in the event of a power outage. I have fiber service from my

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On 1/12/22 09:35, Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote: Hi NANOG mailing list, I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 (47 CFR Section 9.20) requiring ISPs to provide an option to

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Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ahmed elBornou" To: "Michael Thomas" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 4:37:33 PM Subject: Re: home router battery backup Do we know if there are common reasons why

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On 1/12/22 2:37 PM, Ahmed elBornou wrote: Do we know if there are common reasons why these power outages are on the rise across different states and if this is expected to continue ? Climate change. We're living it. That and PG is corrupt. Mike Ahmed On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:43 AM

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>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG >>> wrote: >>> services, I was wondering if anyone had any insights on the prevalence of >>> battery backup for home modem/routers? I.e., what percentage of home users >>> actually install a battery backup in their home modem/router

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Do we know if there are common reasons why these power outages are on the rise across different states and if this is expected to continue ? Ahmed On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:43 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 1/12/22 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > > >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C.

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ke Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sabri Berisha" To: "nanog" Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 3:01:27 PM Subject: Re: home router battery backup - On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:15 AM, An

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- On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Andy Ringsmuth a...@andyring.com wrote: Hi, >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG >> wrote: >> services, I was wondering if anyone had any insights on the prevalence of >> battery backup for home modem/routers? I.e., what percentage of

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battery for the phone portion. Though that behavior can be changed in software. -Original Message- From: "Michael Thomas" Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 2:48pm To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: home router battery backup On 1/12/22 10:54 AM, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: In

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On 1/12/22 10:54 AM, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: In $dayjob I work for a telco that deploys fiber to the home.  If we are providing voice services over fiber a battery backup is installed (we maintain) that powers the customer's phone in the event of a power outage.  It does not power their

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On 1/12/22 11:25 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote: Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I suspect the percentage would be somewhere south of 1

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I'm one of the atypical users, when compared to the population at large, but probably in line for this audience. Critical gear is on a transfer switch and both inputs to that come from UPSs that are on separate circuits. Less critical gear is fed from one UPS or the other to balance the load and

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> On Jan 12, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I suspect > the percentage would be somewhere south of 1 percent. Outside of my home, I >

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When I subscribed to Windstream fiber at my house a couple years ago I didn’t order voice service but they installed a UPS anyway. Curiously, they also connected the wires meant for voice lines to their outdoor equipment mounted on the house. The guy told me he did that after he hooked it up

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quot; Subject: home router battery backup Hi NANOG mailing list, I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 (47 CFR Section 9.20) requiring ISPs to provide an option to voice cu

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On 1/12/22 10:43 AM, Dave Taht wrote: I too see very little gear protected by a UPS. In nicaragua, even, when I lived there, and the power flickered 6x times a day, "normal" people just accepted it. However, with the huge implosion of battery costs and increase in power from the cellphone

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Need to look at the entire infrastructure. Now, its less about backup for the hardwired router, and better utility backups and construction for mobile provider infrastructure. Almost all households have at least one mobile phone, with built-in battery backup :-) We used to have public pay

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I too see very little gear protected by a UPS. In nicaragua, even, when I lived there, and the power flickered 6x times a day, "normal" people just accepted it. However, with the huge implosion of battery costs and increase in power from the cellphone revolution, and how little power most home

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On 1/12/22 10:15 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG wrote: Hi NANOG mailing list, I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 (47

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protection on my network gear and theater gear far exceeded the average end user’s remote offices. -richey From: NANOG on behalf of Andy Ringsmuth Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 1:16 PM To: Scott T Anderson , Scott T Anderson via NANOG Subject: Re: home router battery backup > On Jan

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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:18 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote: > Given that most people barely even know what their home router is, I > suspect the percentage would be somewhere south of 1 percent. Outside of my > home, I honestly cannot recall EVER seeing someone’s home using a battery > backup for

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> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Scott T Anderson via NANOG > wrote: > > Hi NANOG mailing list, > > I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages > affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 > (47 CFR Section 9.20) requiring

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Hi NANOG mailing list, I am a graduate student, currently conducting research on how power outages affect home Internet users. I know that the FCC has a regulation since 2015 (47 CFR Section 9.20) requiring ISPs to provide an option to voice customers to purchase a battery backup for emergency