Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-16 Thread Steve Bertrand
On 2010.12.13 16:28, Dorn Hetzel wrote: Yeah, well, sorta. sorta not so much :) LOL. Mark-to-market... facilitating the booking of revenue to make it *appear* as though a business unit has a successful product. Steve

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-15 Thread Ryan Finnesey
, derivatives, and big brother On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 19:36 -0800, George Bonser wrote: (...) The financial derivatives market isn't, in my opinion, a good analogy of the peering market. A data packet is perishable and must be moved quickly. The destination network wants the packet in order to keep

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-15 Thread Jeff Wheeler
-Original Message- From: Laurent GUERBY [mailto:laur...@guerby.net] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:07 PM To: George Bonser Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 19:36 -0800, George Bonser wrote: (...) The financial derivatives

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-15 Thread George Bonser
From: Jeff Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:24 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother Invisible Hand Networks was really meant to be a spot market. The same problem exists with bandwidth spot markets that always has existed, the cost

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-13 Thread Laurent GUERBY
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 19:36 -0800, George Bonser wrote: (...) The financial derivatives market isn't, in my opinion, a good analogy of the peering market. A data packet is perishable and must be moved quickly. The destination network wants the packet in order to keep their customer happy and

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-13 Thread George Bonser
The electricity spot market is close to your definition of perishable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_market It has a derivative market, google for electricity derivatives will give you some papers and models. I'm pretty sure electricity and bandwidth share some patterns.

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-13 Thread Dorn Hetzel
Yeah, well, sorta. sorta not so much :) On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote: The electricity spot market is close to your definition of perishable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_market It has a derivative market, google for electricity

peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-12 Thread Jeff Wheeler
A read through this New York Times article on derivatives clearing, and the exclusivity that big banks seek to maintain, would look very much like an article on large-scale peering, to someone who is not expert in both topics. The transit-free club and the derivatives dealers club may have other

Re: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-12 Thread Ken
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 01:36:08PM -0500, Jeff Wheeler said: A read through this New York Times article on derivatives clearing, and the exclusivity that big banks seek to maintain, would look very much like an article on large-scale peering, to someone who is not expert in both topics.

RE: peering, derivatives, and big brother

2010-12-12 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: Jeff Wheeler Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:36 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: peering, derivatives, and big brother A read through this New York Times article on derivatives clearing, and the exclusivity that big banks seek to maintain, would look