Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! - do ISPs typically use token bucket filters with large bursts to shape traffic? - what kind of burst sizes and latencies/limits are typically used for the filter? You will definitely have to account for latency. For emulating cable traffic, latencies (in the USA) will be about 60-80ms

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Dave Hart
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 08:54 UTC, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote, quoting Patrick: For emulating cable traffic, latencies (in the USA) will be about 60-80ms to typical sites. [...] For DSL, I seem to recall latency being about 90-110ms (note, I haven't used DSL in many years). [...] The latency i

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! Either you're looking only at the loop contribution, or you're in the SF bay area and nearly every typical site is available locally. Here in the relatively backwater Seattle suburbs, unless it's served by Microsoft or a content distribution network, there are substantial latencies to

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On May 4, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 08:54 UTC, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote, quoting Patrick: For emulating cable traffic, latencies (in the USA) will be about 60-80ms to typical sites. [...] For DSL, I seem to recall latency being about 90-110ms (note, I

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Chris Boyd
On May 4, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I am not sure what the point is in mixing in speed of light latency. If your typical sites are, say, Indian cricket blogs, you will typically have a high latency from the US. What does that tell you about your DSL or Cable system, except

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread isabel dias
same as in the HFC and QAM modulation values and so on and so forth . services that are requiring a connection-oriented service such as a gaming clan/cloud are highly affected when working in latency and jitter network based environments such as the ethernet based ones and SMDS ...

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread isabel dias
Is cable better for gamming? - Original Message From: isabel dias isabeldi...@yahoo.com To: Chris Boyd cb...@gizmopartners.com; NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:41:48 PM Subject: Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping same as in the HFC and QAM modulation values and so on

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 04 May 2010 06:42:59 PDT, isabel dias said: Is cable better for gaming? Depends on the game and the gamer. Personally, it doesn't matter to me, as even if I was on my employer's 10GE uplink, I'd still lose to some snot-nosed brat with fast reflexes on a 56kb modem. So till they invent

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Chris Boyd wrote: Most of the ADSL installations I've seen in SBC 13 state area had interleaving turned on, which significantly increases latency. I suspect that's why many cable MSOs in the same territory have cable is better for gaming marketing campaigns running all

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Chris Boyd
On May 4, 2010, at 8:42 AM, isabel dias wrote: Is cable better for gamming? All the LAN party places I know of use Metro Ethernet solutions. Gamers like low ping times to their servers, and are willing to spend $$ to get them. So if your target market includes people who play a lot of

Thailand Internet firewall?

2010-05-04 Thread Drew Weaver
Hi, Is anyone aware whether or not Thailand has a centralized firewall on Internet access? We've had reports from several folks in Thailand that they are unable to get to some IP addresses in our network (this problem is reproducible on the traceroute.org Thailand sites as well). It seems to

Re: Thailand Internet firewall?

2010-05-04 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On May 4, 2010, at 11:03 PM, Drew Weaver wrote: Is anyone aware whether or not Thailand has a centralized firewall on Internet access? Thai SPs are required by law to block sites deemed objectionable by the government of Thailand; common reasons given include lese majeste and/or other

RE: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-04 Thread Tim Burke
I'm using Comcast's business-class service. ~$110 per month for 22mbit down, 5mbit up and a /29. This would definitely be your best bet as opposed to trying to rig up a tunneled setup. You can also get their 12mbit down, 2mbit up service with a /29 for $79, iirc.

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- cb...@gizmopartners.com wrote: From: Chris Boyd cb...@gizmopartners.com On May 4, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I am not sure what the point is in mixing in speed of light latency. If your typical sites are, say, Indian cricket blogs, you will typically have a high latency

Re: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-04 Thread Owen DeLong
LoL... I'm using that same service (without the /29 for $10/month) as transport for my tunneled setup. Owen On May 4, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Tim Burke wrote: I'm using Comcast's business-class service. ~$110 per month for 22mbit down, 5mbit up and a /29. This would definitely be your best bet

Re: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

2010-05-04 Thread Tim Burke
I've had no problems with it. Seems to be much better than the residential service. The /29 was only $10? I must be getting jipped, I'm paying $20. Tim Burke 630.617.1300 Cell t...@tburke.us Email Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: LoL...

Call for Papers - IEEE GLOBECOM 2010 Workshop on Web and Pervasive Security (WPS 2010, 6 - 10 December 2010, Miami, USA)

2010-05-04 Thread Robert C. Hsu
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Call For Papers - UIC 2010 (Xi\'an, China, October 26-29, 2010)

2010-05-04 Thread Robert C. Hsu
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Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Scott Weeks wrote: Interleaved turned on to correct errors. This adds ~25msec between the CPE and the nearest router. Sometimes folks ask for it to be changed to Fast. We explain that errors may cause resyncs to happen and then make the change if the customer still

Re: Thailand Internet firewall?

2010-05-04 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Dobbins, Roland wrote: Thai SPs are required by law to block sites deemed objectionable by the government of Thailand; common reasons given include lese majeste and/or other materials deemed injurious to 'national security'. +1. When I was in thailand the (my guess) URL

RE: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Frank Bulk - iName.com
We're an ISP that has four access technologies. Both cable and DSL modem link times are affected by configured rate and sync rate, respectively. My home CM is at 15/1 Mbps and one-way latency is 4 to 5 msec. My home DSL modem is at 15/1 Mbps (with interleaving) and has a one-way latency of 15

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Scott Weeks
--- swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: From: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se On Tue, 4 May 2010, Scott Weeks wrote: Interleaved turned on to correct errors. This adds ~25msec between the CPE and the nearest router. Sometimes folks ask for it to be changed to Fast. We explain that errors may

Re: Emulating ADSL bandwidth shaping

2010-05-04 Thread Mark Smith
On Tue, 4 May 2010 16:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Tue, 4 May 2010, Chris Boyd wrote: Most of the ADSL installations I've seen in SBC 13 state area had interleaving turned on, which significantly increases latency. I suspect that's why many cable

Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?

2010-05-04 Thread Michael Dillon
I don't think there is a universally agreed upon definition of what transit means other than it involves someone paying someone else. Uhh, transit is an English word which comes from the Latin word meaning it goes across. Transit has nothing to do with payment at all. The only thing that

RE: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?

2010-05-04 Thread George Bonser
-Original Message- From: ML Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 1:44 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Surcharge for providing Internet routes? Has anyone here heard of or do they themselves charge extra for providing a complete internet table to customers? Waive the surcharge for

Interesting combination of SPAM + Phishing + stupidity

2010-05-04 Thread Jorge Amodio
this is obviously no news and the attachment as you all probably know is a trojan executable. The interesting part and kind of a test to determine who is more stupid, the one sending the message or the one opening and executing the attachment, the message is supposedly sent by UPS but signed as

Tobit software

2010-05-04 Thread mkarir
Hello, We are working on a research project that is trying to identify the root cause of some stray network traffic we are seeing. If you run any software from Tobit and are willing to spare some time to help us track down the root cause of this traffic we would really appreciate your help.