Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 108454.1346989...@turing-police.cc.vt.edu, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu writes: --==_Exmh_1346989445_1993P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 08:30:12 +1000, Mark Andrews said: In message 85250.1346959...@turing-police.cc.vt.edu,

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Masataka Ohta
Oliver wrote: All that necessary is local changes on end systems of those who want the end to end transparency. There is no changes on the Internet. You're basically redefining the term end-to-end transparency to suit your own Already in RFC3102, which restrict port number ranges, it is

Re: RPKI Pilot Participant Notice

2012-09-07 Thread Randy Bush
If a relying party's use of PKI infrastructure legally equated to acceptance of the relying party agreement (RPA), then having an explicit record of acceptance of the RPA would not be necessary. Alas, it does not appear possible to equate use of PKI certificates with agreement to the

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Masataka Ohta
Andrew Sullivan wrote: the DNS and won't discover anything about the DNS that can't be had via getaddrinfo() until long after its too late redefine the protocol in terms of seeking SRV records. Oh, sure, I get that. One of the problems I've had with the end to end NAT argument is exactly

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 6, 2012, at 22:31 , Sean Harlow s...@seanharlow.info wrote: On Sep 6, 2012, at 23:44, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: However, Joe Sixpack doesn't really have that option. And unless you figure out a scalable and universal way for Joe Sixpack's Xbox or PS3 or whatever to request

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Owen DeLong
This has been experimental with no forward progress since 2001. Any sane person would conclude that the experiment failed to garner any meaningful support. Is there any continuing active work on this experiment? Any running code? Didn't think so. Owen On Sep 6, 2012, at 23:23 , Masataka Ohta

Re: RPKI Pilot Participant Notice

2012-09-07 Thread John Curran
On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:31 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: If a relying party's use of PKI infrastructure legally equated to acceptance of the relying party agreement (RPA), then having an explicit record of acceptance of the RPA would not be necessary. Alas, it does not appear

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Masataka Ohta
Sean Harlow wrote: None of these options are impacted by being behind a NAT as long as they have the ability to open a port via UPnP or equivalent, so if in an ideal world all client software understood SRV records this particular negative of NAT would be of minimal impact. My point is that

Re: RPKI Pilot Participant Notice

2012-09-07 Thread Randy Bush
Good morning Randy - it is late afternoon Are you indicating that RPKI services should be offered without any RPA (and/or CPS) at all, or that these agreements should legally adhere without explicit agreement? There is an statement expressing that CPS or RPA might benefit from the

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Masataka Ohta
Owen DeLong wrote: Then why is IPv6 deployment happening faster in the internet core than at the edge? The real world seems to defy your claims. Which world, are you talking about? Martian? This has been experimental with no forward progress since 2001. Obviously because it is a new

RE: Are people still building SONET networks from scratch?

2012-09-07 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
Does anyone make a cheaper OC3 circuit emulation module or box? Maybe Cisco ME 3600X 24CX Switch or Cisco ASR 903 Router adam

Re: RPKI Pilot Participant Notice

2012-09-07 Thread John Curran
On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Good morning Randy - it is late afternoon Indeed... that may contribute significantly to the difference in perspective. In the US, little details such as legal structures often take on greater importance than would be otherwise

Re: Are people still building SONET networks from scratch?

2012-09-07 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 07/09/12 02:38, Will Orton wrote: Having much more experience with ethernet/packet/MPLS setups, we are trying to get the client to admit that 1g/10g waves running ethernet with QoS would be as good as or better in terms of latency, jitter, and loss for their packet data. So far

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:01:10 +1000, Mark Andrews said: There is NOTHING stopping Sony adding code to the PS3 to perform dynamic updates to add the records. We have a well established protocol to do this securely. 100's of millions of records get updated daily using this protocol in the

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread Oliver
On Friday 07 September 2012 15:23:30 Masataka Ohta wrote: Oliver wrote: All that necessary is local changes on end systems of those who want the end to end transparency. There is no changes on the Internet. You're basically redefining the term end-to-end transparency to suit your

Re: The End-To-End Internet (was Re: Blocking MX query)

2012-09-07 Thread TJ
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:45 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: It is regularly alleged, on this mailing list, that NAT is bad *because it violates the end-to-end principle of the Internet*, where each host is a

Weekly Routing Table Report

2012-09-07 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

BGP Update Report

2012-09-07 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 30-Aug-12 -to- 06-Sep-12 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS6517 143391 6.8% 279.0 -- RELIANCEGLOBALCOM - Reliance Globalcom Services, Inc 2 -

The Cidr Report

2012-09-07 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 7 21:13:05 2012 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: CAIDA's AS-rank project

2012-09-07 Thread Richard Barnes
No IPv6? On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Matthew Luckie m...@caida.org wrote: Hello, We have been working on refreshing the data and algorithms behind CAIDA's as-rank project. We have published AS-relationships and AS-rankings computed for June 2012. We are currently seeking further

time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.com dns queries

2012-09-07 Thread Basil Baby
Noticed lot of A record queries for time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.comon dns servers. Has anyone noticed similar behavior on any of your dns servers? Anyone aware about a known issue with netgear home routers which can create bulk dns queries? -Basil

Re: time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.com dns queries

2012-09-07 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Basil! On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:22:29 -0400 Basil Baby basilb...@gmail.com wrote: Noticed lot of A record queries for time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.comon dns servers. Has anyone noticed similar behavior on any of your dns servers? Anyone aware about a known issue with netgear home

Re: time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.com dns queries

2012-09-07 Thread Basil Baby
Hmm... Even though similar issue was identified in 2003, looks like still there are devices in market with those old firmwares or similar behavior. sheesh !! :( -Basil On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Gary E. Miller g...@rellim.com wrote: Yo Basil! On Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:22:29 -0400 Basil

Re: time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.com dns queries

2012-09-07 Thread Ryan Rawdon
On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:44 PM, Basil Baby wrote: Hmm... Even though similar issue was identified in 2003, looks like still there are devices in market with those old firmwares or similar behavior. sheesh !! :( -Basil While NETGEAR does have a history of issues like this, the UofW issue is

Re: time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.com dns queries

2012-09-07 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:44:44 -0400, Basil Baby said: Hmm... Even though similar issue was identified in 2003, looks like still there are devices in market with those old firmwares or similar behavior. sheesh !! :( A long long time ago in a network far far away, one of our campus NTP servers

Re: time-b.netgear.com/time-c.netgear.com dns queries

2012-09-07 Thread Michael Loftis
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:36 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Interestingly enough, the *hostname* is still in use (by another machine under my desk) - and it gets near zero hits. So it's all hardcoded IP addrs not hostnames. And for NTP implementations that use DNS they also often