Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Fernando Gont
Folks, A few months ago we published an IETF I-D with requirements for IPv6 firewalls. Based on the feedback received since then, we've published a revision of the I-D: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-firewall-reqs-01.txt If you have any feedback/thoughts, please do

RE: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Dustin Jurman
Fernando, I did not see: - packets per second - Firewall Level - Hosts level - packet size information - Average for FW of all Network hosts - Negotiated Between Hosts I apologize if I missed it. Dustin Dustin Jurman CEO Rapid Systems Corporation 1211 N.

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Dustin Jurman dus...@rseng.net wrote: - packets per second - Firewall Level - Hosts level This is getting into QoS territory . . . - packet size information Concur - packet-length. - Average for FW of all Network hosts This isn't very

Re: DMARC - CERT?

2014-04-17 Thread Private Sender
On Wed 16 Apr 2014 09:40:11 PM PDT, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Private Sender nob...@snovc.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 03:47 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Scott Howard sc...@doc.net.au wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Jim Popovitch

Re: DMARC - CERT?

2014-04-17 Thread Michael Thomas
On 04/16/2014 09:19 PM, Private Sender wrote: I'm sorry but is there a fundamental misunderstanding of dmarc going on in this thread? Yahoo doesn't want you to be able to send @yahoo.com email from anything other than THEIR servers which contain the private key that corresponds to their DKIM

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread David Newman
On 4/17/14, 5:51 AM, Dobbins, Roland wrote: - packets per second - Firewall Level - Hosts level This is getting into QoS territory . . . - packet size information Concur - packet-length. The use of RFC 2544-esque metrics for firewall performance testing mostly benefits

Re: DMARC - CERT?

2014-04-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:19:18 -0700, Private Sender said: I'm sorry but is there a fundamental misunderstanding of dmarc going on in this thread? Yes, apparently mostly on the part of Yahoo apologists... There is no need to flame a company because they implemented a policy to ensure QoS to

Re: DMARC - CERT?

2014-04-17 Thread Michael Thomas
On 04/17/2014 08:34 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:19:18 -0700, Private Sender said: I'm sorry but is there a fundamental misunderstanding of dmarc going on in this thread? Yes, apparently mostly on the part of Yahoo apologists... There is no need to flame a

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Fernando Gont ferna...@gont.com.ar wrote: A few months ago we published an IETF I-D with requirements for IPv6 firewalls. Based on the feedback received since then, we've published a revision of the I-D:

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 17, 2014, at 10:26 PM, David Newman dnew...@networktest.com wrote: For firewalls handling TCP traffic, upper-layer traffic metrics such as HTTP object size, concurrent connection capacity, and connection setup rate are a lot more meaningful. I'm referring here to the ability to use

Re: DMARC - CERT?

2014-04-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Michael Thomas wrote: On 04/17/2014 08:34 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:19:18 -0700, Private Sender said: I'm sorry but is there a fundamental misunderstanding of dmarc going on in this thread? Yes, apparently mostly on the part of Yahoo apologists... There is no

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, David, Thanks so much for your feedback! -- Comments in-line On 04/17/2014 12:26 PM, David Newman wrote: The use of RFC 2544-esque metrics for firewall performance testing mostly benefits ill-informed or unscrupulous firewall marketeers, who send 1500-byte UDP packets and then brag

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, William! Thanks so much for your feedback! One meta comment: this document is an Internet-Draft, not an RFC. It's just the second version (-01) we have published... so it's not meant to be there. The reason for posting the I-D here was so that I could get your input as early in the production

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Bill, Also, I note your draft is entitled Requirements for IPv6 Enterprise Firewalls. Frankly, no enterprise firewall will be taken seriously without address-overloaded NAT. I realize that's a controversial statement in the IPv6 world but until you get past it you're basically wasting

RE: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Dustin Jurman
Always interesting responding to a NANOG thread. - the approach is from an end user than service provider. The firewall operator would be more interested in identifying PPS for attacks / compromised hosts VS QOS but I supposed it could be used for QOS as well. (Not my intent) So today we

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Fernando Gont ferna...@gont.com.ar wrote: Thanks so much for your feedback! One meta comment: this document is an Internet-Draft, not an RFC. It's just the second version (-01) we have published... so it's not meant to be there. Hi Fernando, I apologize; my

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:05 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Here's the drill: From an enterprise security perspective, deploying IPv6 is high risk. I have to re-implement every rule I set on my IPv4 addresses all over again with my IPv6 addresses and hope I don't screw it up in a

Call for Presenters: The Future of the Internet 2014: Defining Software Defined Networks

2014-04-17 Thread Chris Grundemann
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Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote: It's a bigger risk to think that NAT somehow magically protects you against stuff on the Internet. You are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to run your network in accordance with your opinion. To vendors

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:50:01 -0400, William Herrin said: To vendors who would sell me product, I would respectfully suggest that attempts to forcefully educate me as to what I *should want* offers neither a short nor particularly successful path to closing a sale. Which is why you reject

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Timothy Morizot
On Apr 17, 2014 3:07 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:50:01 -0400, William Herrin said: To vendors who would sell me product, I would respectfully suggest that attempts to forcefully educate me as to what I *should want* offers neither a short nor particularly

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:50:01 -0400, William Herrin said: To vendors who would sell me product, I would respectfully suggest that attempts to forcefully educate me as to what I *should want* offers neither a short nor

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.netwrote: ... It's a bigger risk to think that NAT somehow magically protects you against stuff on the Internet. Also, if your problem is that someone can screw up firewalls rules, then you have bigger issue in your

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Apr 18, 2014, at 1:04 AM, Dustin Jurman dus...@rseng.net wrote: - the approach is from an end user than service provider. The firewall operator would be more interested in identifying PPS for attacks / compromised hosts VS QOS but I supposed it could be used for QOS as well. (Not my

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 4/17/2014 1:45 PM, George Herbert wrote: This is why listening to operators is important. Why start now? After all, most of the useful input operators could have provided would have been much more useful at the beginning. Matthew Kaufman

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 53504c18.7050...@matthew.at, Matthew Kaufman writes: On 4/17/2014 1:45 PM, George Herbert wrote: This is why listening to operators is important. Why start now? After all, most of the useful input operators could have provided would have been much more useful at the beginning.

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Fernando Gont
On 04/17/2014 06:48 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 4/17/2014 1:45 PM, George Herbert wrote: This is why listening to operators is important. Why start now? After all, most of the useful input operators could have provided would have been much more useful at the beginning. I cannot speak for

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Brandon Ross
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014, Sander Steffann wrote: Also, I note your draft is entitled Requirements for IPv6 Enterprise Firewalls. Frankly, no enterprise firewall will be taken seriously without address-overloaded NAT. I realize that's a controversial statement in the IPv6 world but until you get past

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Matthew Kaufman
While you're at it, the document can explain to admins who have been burned, often more than once, by the pain of re-numbering internal services at static addresses how IPv6 without NAT will magically solve this problem. Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) On Apr 17, 2014, at 4:20 PM,

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Timothy Morizot
On Apr 17, 2014 7:52 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: While you're at it, the document can explain to admins who have been burned, often more than once, by the pain of re-numbering internal services at static addresses how IPv6 without NAT will magically solve this problem. If

Thank you Comcast

2014-04-17 Thread Michael T. Voity
To the Comcast v6 Team, Thank you for enabling my CMTS for v6 in Colchester, VT Works great! Thanks, -Mike Michael T. Voity Network Engineer University of Vermont

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Brandon Ross
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014, Timothy Morizot wrote: On Apr 17, 2014 7:52 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: While you're at it, the document can explain to admins who have been burned, often more than once, by the pain of re-numbering internal services at static addresses how IPv6 without

Re: Thank you Comcast

2014-04-17 Thread Mehmet Akcin
+ Redmond, WA. Good job guys. mehmet On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Michael T. Voity mvo...@uvm.edu wrote: To the Comcast v6 Team, Thank you for enabling my CMTS for v6 in Colchester, VT Works great! Thanks, -Mike Michael T. Voity Network Engineer University of Vermont

Re: Thank you Comcast

2014-04-17 Thread Doug Barton
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Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I think I got you to say NAT Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) On Apr 17, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Timothy Morizot tmori...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 2014 7:52 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: While you're at it, the document can explain to admins who have been burned,

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Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-17 Thread Seth Mos
Op 17 apr. 2014, om 20:50 heeft William Herrin b...@herrin.us het volgende geschreven: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net wrote: It's a bigger risk to think that NAT somehow magically protects you against stuff on the Internet. You are entitled to your