Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Nikolay Shopik
Asr1002-f may have problem as it limited to 512k iirc On 08 мая 2014 г., at 2:45, Shawn L sha...@up.net wrote: Do the ASR1k routers have this issue as well? I searched around but couldn't find any information. -- Forwarded message -- From: Irwin, Kevin

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Blake Dunlap iki...@gmail.com [2014-05-08 03:19]: Except for that whole mac address thing, that crashes networks... this lie doesn't get any more true by repeating them over and over. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services GmbH, AG Hamburg HRB 128289,

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Robert Drake rdr...@direcpath.com [2014-05-08 06:02]: On 5/7/2014 9:47 PM, Rob Seastrom wrote: Now, the bar for an informational RFC is pretty low. Especially for people who have written them before. Those people seem to think one is needed in this case so they might want to get started

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Owen DeLong o...@delong.com [2014-05-08 07:16]: If they take their ball and go home, that's fine. The problem is that they seem to occasionally have their ball brought (by systems administrators) to networks where the network engineers are already running VRRP on routers (for example) and

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Owen DeLong o...@delong.com [2014-05-08 04:36]: I don’t believe for one second that the IESG refused to deal with ‘em. you're free to believe whatever you want and ignore facts. I do believe the IESG did not hand them everything they wanted on a silver platter in contravention of the

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Gary Buhrmaster gary.buhrmas...@gmail.com [2014-05-08 00:43]: But (presuming no adjustments) the patent is now expired, and the OpenBSD team could now release CARPv2 (or whatever they decide to call it) which would implement the standard, should they wish to work and play well with the

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Saku Ytti
If OBSD can't afford MAC addresses but does not object to them in principle, I can give forever IRU for 256 MAC addresses to OBSD for 0USD one-time fee. -- ++ytti

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Eygene Ryabinkin r...@grid.kiae.ru [2014-05-08 11:12]: Henning, Thu, May 08, 2014 at 09:35:00AM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Blake Dunlap iki...@gmail.com [2014-05-08 03:19]: Except for that whole mac address thing, that crashes networks... this lie doesn't get any more true by

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Saku Ytti s...@ytti.fi [2014-05-08 12:14]: If OBSD can't afford MAC addresses but does not object to them in principle, I can give forever IRU for 256 MAC addresses to OBSD for 0USD one-time fee. congratulations, that is far ahead of just whining. when/if we change the mac addrs, the new

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 08/05/2014 11:25, Henning Brauer wrote: you shouldn't see issues but log spam. maybe you misunderstand the problem. If you have vrrp and carp on the same vlan, using the same vrrp group ID as VHID, then each virtual IP will arp for the same mac address on that vlan. This messes up the

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org [2014-05-08 13:03]: On 08/05/2014 11:25, Henning Brauer wrote: you shouldn't see issues but log spam. maybe you misunderstand the problem. If you have vrrp and carp on the same vlan, using the same vrrp group ID as VHID, then each virtual IP will arp for the

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Job Snijders
On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 12:31:23PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Saku Ytti s...@ytti.fi [2014-05-08 12:14]: If OBSD can't afford MAC addresses but does not object to them in principle, I can give forever IRU for 256 MAC addresses to OBSD for 0USD one-time fee. when/if we change the mac

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 08/05/2014 12:09, Henning Brauer wrote: my switches seem to deal with that, wether they have special handling for that mac addr range or not i dunno. I've seen this problem cause downtime on production networks. fyi, it will probably work fine on hubs, but not on switches. again, stress

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Alain Hebert
And that's why C. should use a more appropriate example to defend his position. By this thread, I suspect, that whoever dealt with those different organization for OpenBSD CARP, lacked the skills to accomplish the task and got shut down for being an ass. PS: Being of the

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Geraint Jones
On 8/05/2014, at 11:09 pm, Henning Brauer hb-na...@bsws.de wrote: * Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org [2014-05-08 13:03]: On 08/05/2014 11:25, Henning Brauer wrote: you shouldn't see issues but log spam. maybe you misunderstand the problem. If you have vrrp and carp on the same vlan, using

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Job Snijders
On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 09:48:26AM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: awaiting your diff. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=139955603603070w=2 Kind regards, Job

Re: bgp convergence problem

2014-05-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:51 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On Wednesday, May 07, 2014 07:28:46 PM Peter Rubenstein wrote: Operationally speaking, AS1 should not be leaking routes from one upstream to the other. Bad route policy. ideally it'd be nice to be valley-free... so to

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Irwin, Kevin
It depends, you can put in a table-map to stop the routes from being installed into the FIB/RIB on an ASR-1K with 2GB of RAM you can then have up to 2 million IPv4 routes. Alternatively, if you are not using your ASR-1k to forward traffic, I think you could also just turn off CEF and have the same

Re: bgp convergence problem

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 04:41:21 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: if only there were some technology that could be used to thwart such things. It's gotten to a point where a repeat offender has me wound up enough to prepend his AS into some of my paths. I wish there was a simpler way to turn

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 04:45:09 PM Irwin, Kevin wrote: It depends, you can put in a table-map to stop the routes from being installed into the FIB/RIB on an ASR-1K with 2GB of RAM you can then have up to 2 million IPv4 routes. Helpful only if you don't want to forward traffic through the

NAT (PAT) log

2014-05-08 Thread Pavel Dimow
Hello, as we are running out of ipv4 addresses we started to think of dual stack deployment in our network and that means we will soon need to have some NAT in place (NAT44).However I am curios to find how do you manage NAT logs? Considering the fact that we will need to use overload for pools I

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Nikolay Shopik
I know most people have problems with 2 bgp feeds and 4GB RAM on ASR1002-F (as it max installable memory). So I doubt about 2M routes with 2GB RAM. On 08.05.2014 18:45, Irwin, Kevin wrote: on an ASR-1K with 2GB of RAM you can then have up to 2 million IPv4 routes

RE: NAT (PAT) log

2014-05-08 Thread Mike Walter
In the past, when we had a Cisco 7200 doing NATing, we had a script someone wrote that would telnet into the router and do a sh ip nat trans. The file would be saved out and we could parse through it at a later time, we had the script run even 10 minutes or so I believe. If that is what you

RE: Residential CPE suggestions

2014-05-08 Thread Nolan Rollo
We’ve had two of the ER3s in production. One of which has had no problems to date, the other one had several issues just staying online. It would randomly drop out from time to time (no ICMP, didn't pass traffic; basically a flashing brick). These were both single homed stub networks on older

Re: Residential CPE suggestions

2014-05-08 Thread Jared Mauch
On May 8, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Nolan Rollo nro...@kw-corp.com wrote: TL;DR: Ubiquiti has good, inexpensive equipment but it might not always be ready for production networks or very patient customers. For what you’re looking for though no one else can match that price point. +1 If you have

Re: Residential CPE suggestions

2014-05-08 Thread Randy Carpenter
I would love to see the EdgeRouter Lite, or something similar with 2 SFP ports and 2 1000bT ports (Which would fit with the OP's question). Q-in-Q tunneling and basic routing required, but not much else for me. Bonus points points for something like that with redundant power supplies for $1k

Re: bgp convergence problem

2014-05-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On Thursday, May 08, 2014 04:41:21 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: if only there were some technology that could be used to thwart such things. It's gotten to a point where a repeat offender has me wound up enough to

Re: Residential CPE suggestions

2014-05-08 Thread Warren Bailey
I still get email updates on the thread I created in mid 2013. In my experience their forum is a good excuse for not EVER answering the phone. And when I say ever.. I mean.. They don't even take sales calls. (the issue is still there.. By the way.) Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Shawn L
With all the talk lately about the growth in routes, I got to thinking about upgrading the memory in a couple of my routers. Does anyone have experience using third-party guaranteed compatible memory. With Cisco's discount it looks like I can upgrade for $5k vs $700 with third party memory. I'm

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)

2014-05-08 Thread =JeffH
http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ See also... Level 3 accuses five unnamed US ISPs of abusing their market power in peering http://gigaom.com/2014/05/05/level-3-accuses-five-unnamed-us-isps-of-abusing-their-market-power-in-peering/ ... I’d love to see

Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality (was: Wow its been quiet here...

2014-05-08 Thread =JeffH
Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) http://blog.level3.com/global-connectivity/observations-internet-middleman/ See also... Level 3 accuses five unnamed US ISPs of abusing their market power in peering

preemptive apology..

2014-05-08 Thread =JeffH
..for inadvertent double-post. mea culpa.

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Bill Fenner
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Henning Brauer hb-na...@bsws.de wrote: * Owen DeLong o...@delong.com [2014-05-08 04:36]: I don’t believe for one second that the IESG refused to deal with ‘em. you're free to believe whatever you want and ignore facts. I do believe the IESG did not hand

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Bill Fenner fen...@gmail.com [2014-05-08 20:41]: I was the IESG member responsible for the VRRP working group when the OpenBSD developer (I'm sorry, Henning, I forget if it was you or someone else) wasn't me, as stated repeatedly I wasn't the one talking to the standard bodies. came to a

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 05:29:08 PM Nikolay Shopik wrote: I know most people have problems with 2 bgp feeds and 4GB RAM on ASR1002-F (as it max installable memory). So I doubt about 2M routes with 2GB RAM. I've never ran the ASR1002-F, but I know some other ASR1000 platforms consume half

Re: bgp convergence problem

2014-05-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, May 08, 2014 06:34:14 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: :( that's bad news... config hackery is brittle. (but fun) Don't I know :-)... *sigh* Mark. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Brandon Ewing
On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 03:39:13PM +, Drew Weaver wrote: I am wondering if maybe we should make some kind of concerted effort to remind folks about the IPv4 routing table inching closer and closer to the 512K route mark. Closer to? Internap announces 507K prefixes to me today.

Re: Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Tom Hill
On 08/05/14 17:46, Shawn L wrote: Does anyone have experience using third-party guaranteed compatible memory. With Cisco's discount it looks like I can upgrade for $5k vs $700 with third party memory. I'm just wondering if others have used it, and how it's performed, or if it isn't worth the

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread Michael Dikkema
I could never get an definitive answer out of TAC or my account team, but I believe the ASR1002 w/ESP5 is also affected. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Nikolay Shopik sho...@inblock.ru wrote: Asr1002-f may have problem as it limited to 512k iirc On 08 мая 2014 г., at 2:45, Shawn L

Re: Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Patrick Boutilier
On 05/08/2014 01:46 PM, Shawn L wrote: With all the talk lately about the growth in routes, I got to thinking about upgrading the memory in a couple of my routers. Does anyone have experience using third-party guaranteed compatible memory. With Cisco's discount it looks like I can upgrade for

RE: Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Gary Dunaway
A few years back, we had to do memory upgrades on our ASAs in order to move to 8.3 code. All was done with 3rd party memory kits. There have been no performance issues we've noticed with them. The one issue we had was that one of the memory sticks in the kit was bad. The vendor immediately sent

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

2014-05-08 Thread chiel
On 05/06/2014 05:39 PM, Drew Weaver wrote: I am wondering if maybe we should make some kind of concerted effort to remind folks about the IPv4 routing table inching closer and closer to the 512K route mark. Thanks for this e-mail with clear subject ;) Did anyone yet calculated roughly when

Re: Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Chris Knipe
Running 6500's and 7200's with 3rd party memory... No issues. On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Gary Dunaway gary.duna...@teamhgs.com wrote: A few years back, we had to do memory upgrades on our ASAs in order to move to 8.3 code. All was done with 3rd party memory kits. There have been no

Re: Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Geraint Jones
This is what your looking for : http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-PC2700U-512MB-DDR-CL2-5-333Mhz-ECC-Memory-38L52 31-/331191705115?pt=US_Memory_RAM_hash=item4d1c905e1b 512MB DDR CL2.5 Unbuffered/Unregistered CL2.5 - buy 10 and have a huge stack of spares :) -- Geraint Jones Director of Systems

Re: US patent 5473599

2014-05-08 Thread Randy Bush
I think we have told what happened in enough detail in the 3.5 ^your version of commentary already posted to this thread. randy, yet another of the hordes of vrrp users

Re: Experience with Third-Party memory (Cisco)?

2014-05-08 Thread Warren Bailey
I used some old laptop simms from ebay in my 2801.. Worked like a charm :) On 5/8/14, 10:08 PM, Geraint Jones gera...@koding.com wrote: This is what your looking for : http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-PC2700U-512MB-DDR-CL2-5-333Mhz-ECC-Memory-38L5 2