Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2014-11-21 03:12, Roland Dobbins wrote: On 21 Nov 2014, at 6:22, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: Netflow is stateful stuff, This is factually incorrect; NetFlow flows are unidirectional in nature, and in any event have no effect on processing of data-plane traffic. Word stateful has nothing

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2014-11-21 06:45, freed...@freedman.net wrote: Netflow is stateful stuff, and just to run it on wirespeed, on hardware, you need to utilise significant part of TCAM, Cisco ASRs and MXs with inline jflow can do hundreds of K flows/second without affecting packet forwarding. Yes, i

Re: Multi-homing with multiple ASNs

2014-11-21 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, November 21, 2014 12:00:47 AM Curtis L. Parish wrote: We have recently added a second ISP (third if you count I2). Our first ISP is actually a private state network that peers with two Tier 1 providers. We own an AS number and our IP space but at the last minute learned our

Re: Multi-homing with multiple ASNs

2014-11-21 Thread William Waites
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:07:49 +0200, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu said: We own an AS number and our IP space but at the last minute learned our state network is advertising our network using two different ASNs (neither ours) This will work, as in the BGP path selection

Re: Multi-homing with multiple ASNs

2014-11-21 Thread William Herrin
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Curtis L. Parish curtis.par...@mtsu.edu wrote: We have recently added a second ISP (third if you count I2). Our first ISP is actually a private state network that peers with two Tier 1 providers. We own an AS number and our IP space but at the last minute

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Roland Dobbins
On 21 Nov 2014, at 15:17, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: Word stateful has nothing common with stateful firewall.Stateful protocol. a protocol which requires keeping of the internal state on the server is known as a stateful protocol. Correct - and NetFlow is not stateful, by this definition.

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2014-11-21 14:50, Roland Dobbins wrote: On 21 Nov 2014, at 15:17, Denys Fedoryshchenko wrote: Word stateful has nothing common with stateful firewall.Stateful protocol. a protocol which requires keeping of the internal state on the server is known as a stateful protocol. Correct - and

RE: Multi-homing with multiple ASNs

2014-11-21 Thread Curtis L. Parish
Thanks for all the responses. I will answer a few questions that have come on and off list. (Sorry for length) We advertise our ASN into the state network with more specific routes that we advertise via ISP2 via our ASN.This is done because the state (vendor managed) network runs

Transit, Exchange Point Agreements, and Acceptable Use?

2014-11-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I'll apologize up front if this offends anyone's sensitivities as to what is relevant for list conversation... but one sentence in this Channel4 News story (from what I understand, Channel4 is a very popular news source in the UK) struck me as

Re: Transit, Exchange Point Agreements, and Acceptable Use?

2014-11-21 Thread Daniel Corbe
Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com writes: I'll apologize up front if this offends anyone's sensitivities as to what is relevant for list conversation... but one sentence in this Channel4 News story (from what I understand, Channel4 is a very popular news source in the UK) struck me as

RE: Transit, Exchange Point Agreements, and Acceptable Use?

2014-11-21 Thread Siegel, David
Most written peering agreements have a clause that says you can't provide that data unless required to by authorities and only in compliance with applicable local law. The article says that's still an open question: Channel 4 News has been unable to establish whether Reliance Communications

Re: Transit, Exchange Point Agreements, and Acceptable Use?

2014-11-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/21/2014 7:07 AM, Daniel Corbe wrote: Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com writes: I'll apologize up front if this offends anyone's sensitivities as to what is relevant for list conversation... but one sentence in this Channel4 News

Re: Transit, Exchange Point Agreements, and Acceptable Use?

2014-11-21 Thread Paul Ferguson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/21/2014 7:09 AM, Siegel, David wrote: Most written peering agreements have a clause that says you can't provide that data unless required to by authorities and only in compliance with applicable local law. The article says that's still

Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Thijs Stuurman
Nanog list members, I was looking at some statistic and noticed we are sending out a massive amount of SMS messages from our monitoring systems. This left me wondering if there isn't a better (and cheaper) alternative to this, something just as reliant but IP based. We all have smartphones

RE: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Matthew Huff
The advantage of SMS is that it is out of band. Any smtp or other IP based solution requires a stable and working network environment, which is what the alert may be trying to tell you is down. Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations   | Purchase, NY 10577

Re: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Pagerduty for phone calls. Can do SMS as well, I believe. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Thijs Stuurman thijs.stuur...@is.nl wrote: Nanog list members, I was looking at some statistic and

RE: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Thijs Stuurman
The advantage of SMS is that it is out of band. Any smtp or other IP based solution requires a stable and working network environment, which is what the alert may be trying to tell you is down. I do not worry so much about that, part of the monitoring solution is out of band for that

Re: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Derek Andrew
While we do not do this ourseleves, I wonder why we would not use Twitter. You can receive SMS, or texts in the app on a smart phone, or look at a webpage. You can make them private and have lots of subscribers. I find Twitter more reliable that our local SMS providers too. d On Fri, Nov 21,

Re: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
We use OpsGenie for notifications (and on-call scheduling, etc). There are other similar options such as PagerDuty, etc, as well. Notifications can be submitted to the service in a variety of ways (email, web API, etc), has a variety of integrations with other tools (Nagios, Pingdom, etc) to

Level3 NOC contact

2014-11-21 Thread N M
Could a NOC engineer from Level3 contact me off list? I am having issues out of Dallas on a circuit with traffic on your network -- Latency above 100ms --- My peer claims the issue is fixed but I am still seeing the same problem -- Thanks *Nathan Mallory* *Network Engineer* Opelika Power

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Peter Phaal
Actually, sFlow from many vendors is pretty good (per your points about flow burstiness and delays), and is good enough for dDoS detection. Not for security forensics, or billing at 99.99% accuracy, but good enough for traffic visibility, peering analytics, and (d)DoS detection. Well, if

RE: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread Sameer Khosla
I know of a firend that is using Growl / Prowl to push out the notifications to their phones, even to their TV's at home. Sk. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Thijs Stuurman Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 10:52 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject:

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
On 2014-11-21 18:41, Peter Phaal wrote: Actually, sFlow from many vendors is pretty good (per your points about flow burstiness and delays), and is good enough for dDoS detection. Not for security forensics, or billing at 99.99% accuracy, but good enough for traffic visibility, peering

Re: Need Godaddy Contac

2014-11-21 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Larry, please contact me offlist and we'll ping one of our GD contacts for you. Anne Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. CEO/President ISIPP SuretyMail Email Accreditation Certification Your mail system + SuretyMail accreditation = delivered to their inbox! http://www.SuretyMail.com/

Weekly Routing Table Report

2014-11-21 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For

Re: Level3 NOC contact

2014-11-21 Thread N M
A NOC engineer has reached out -- Thanks for the quick response *Nathan Mallory* *Network Engineer* Opelika Power Services 600 Fox Run Pkwy Opelika, Al 36801 Office: (334) 705-1601 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:29 AM, N M digitallysto...@gmail.com wrote: Could a NOC engineer from Level3

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Tim Jackson
pmacct includes sfacctd which is an sflow collector.. Accessible via the same methods as it's nfacctd collector or pcap based collector.. -- Tim On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Denys Fedoryshchenko de...@visp.net.lb wrote: On 2014-11-21 18:41, Peter Phaal wrote: Actually, sFlow from many

Re: Incident notification

2014-11-21 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Matthew Huff mh...@ox.com wrote: The advantage of SMS is that it is out of band. Any smtp or other IP based solution requires a stable and working network environment, which is what the alert may be trying to tell you is down. Which is why you locate a small

Re: DDOS, IDS, RTBH, and Rate limiting

2014-11-21 Thread Denys Fedoryshchenko
Thanks! Most important there is plugin API,so it is easy to write custom code to do some analysis and on events - actions. On 2014-11-21 20:32, Tim Jackson wrote: pmacct includes sfacctd which is an sflow collector.. Accessible via the same methods as it's nfacctd collector or pcap based

Re: Outbound traffic on a circuit?

2014-11-21 Thread Justin Wilson
But I am buying 1 Gig on a 1 Gig circuit. I could see if it were burstable but it was being billed as 1Gig on a Gig circuit. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Managed Services ­ xISP Solutions ­ Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com

The Cidr Report

2014-11-21 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Nov 21 21:14:20 2014 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History

BGP Update Report

2014-11-21 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 13-Nov-14 -to- 20-Nov-14 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS12897 1723660 29.3% 246237.1 -- HEAGMEDIANET HSE Medianet GmbH,DE 2 - AS23752

Re: abuse reporting tools

2014-11-21 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Robert Drake rdr...@direcpath.com wrote: On 11/18/2014 8:11 PM, Michael Brown wrote: [snip] amelioration. So I'm left with a very unsatisfactory feeling of either shutting down a possibly innocent customer based on a machines word, or attempting to start a