Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 15:24, Mark Tinka wrote: > Hmmh, now I'm curious... please explain why rewriting MED but not ORIGIN > doesn't help. If you reset MED in effort to stop me from transferring my infrastructure costs to your network, I can still set origin and force cold potato in your

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Octolus Development
Tracked it down. Sony are using "Imperva" which is former Incapsula. The IP's that was attacked by this DDoS Attack, have been added to their threatradar, their phone support (Imperva) literally hangs up the call when you try to question if they can provide more information about why the IP's

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jan/20 16:26, James Jun wrote: > > I get that you'd want to reset MED on peering sessions, but any particular > rationale on why you'd rewrite MED to 0 on customer sessions? > > I would argue that providing the ability for customers to transfer backhaul > costs onto their transit provider

RE: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread adamv0025
> From: Saku Ytti > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 1:09 PM > > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 14:46, wrote: > > > Other might be: “These experimental work is of great value to the > community and there’s a process now to announce and manage these > experiments, what about net neutrality, and besides

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jan/20 15:49, Saku Ytti wrote: > > If you reset MED in effort to stop me from transferring my > infrastructure costs to your network, I can still set origin and force > cold potato in your network. Okay, I see how this could be abused in a scenario where you have multiple peering

Re: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois

2020-01-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 05:45:39PM -0500, Martin Hannigan wrote: > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 08:51 John Curran wrote: > > > On 7 Jan 2020, at 5:01 AM, Martijn Schmidt via NANOG > > wrote: > > > > > > Out of curiosity, since we aren't affected by this ourselves, I know of > > cases where Cogent has

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jan/20 16:52, James Jun wrote: > I see. LOCAL_PREF and RFC 1998 style of community attributes however are > not the right tool for signalling exit locations -- it does not scale. > Sure, it's a useful hammer to hard enforce a baseline mode of preference > on given route (e.g. route of

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread James Jun
On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 03:06:45PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > From our side, on peering links, re-write all MED to 0 and scrubs all > communities, and replace them with our own. > > On customer links, we re-write MED to 0. [ snip ] I get that you'd want to reset MED on peering sessions, but

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread James Jun
On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 04:36:29PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > > We provide customers with a ton of LOCAL_PREF options they can activate > in our network via communities: > > http://as37100.net/?bgp > > As I mentioned to Saku re: the ORIGIN attribute, I don't mind customers > using this on us

RE: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois

2020-01-08 Thread Aaron Gould
I’m pretty sure cogent has had issues providing full internet connectivity via ipv6 to google and perhaps he (hurricane electric), perhaps others as well, for quite some time now. -Aaron From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of James Breeden Sent: Tuesday, January 7,

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-08 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:58 AM Rob Seastrom wrote: > It’s called “business tangible personal property tax”, and it’s technically > levied by the counties, not by the state (although authorized by the > legislature, as all local government activities must be in a Dillon’s Rule > state). > >

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hello, On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 16:53, Octolus Development wrote: > But here's the funny part, when connecting to their own website imperva.com > from those IP's -- we are getting the exactly same error code that Sony are > returning. And what error code / full error is that *exactly*? I assumed

Geo locate change for IP ?

2020-01-08 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
Hi guys Something odd has happened and I’m not sure how to sort. One of our public prefixes, 205.174.3.0/24 issued from ARIN has suddenly had its geo changed and now everyone accessing the internet from it is showing up as a UK IP, London specifically. We announce this and every other prefix

Re: Geo locate change for IP ?

2020-01-08 Thread Patrick Schultz
Hey Jason, try the geo database providers first: http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ -- Patrick Am 08.01.2020 um 18:53 schrieb JASON BOTHE via NANOG: > Hi guys > > Something odd has happened and I’m not sure how to sort. One of our public > prefixes, 205.174.3.0/24 issued from

Re: Geo locate change for IP ?

2020-01-08 Thread JASON BOTHE via NANOG
Thanks Patrick for the link. I like that all of them are together for ease of reference. Just did a quick scan and all looks well. I guess I’ll dig a little further internally. Thank you again. J~ > On Jan 8, 2020, at 13:00, Patrick Schultz wrote: > > Hey Jason, > try the geo database

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Ben Cannon
AOC stands for Active Optical Cable, which means it’s really 4 SFP+ and a qsfp plus intermediate fiber all permanently attached. 1M is the length, 1 meter. This is distinct from DAC (Direct Attach Cable) which is all copper (you don’t want these, fiber for one thing isolates ground/emi) This

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Randy Bush
> However, if you just need to use 10g of the 40g port, you can do it > much cheaper and easier with just this part: > > https://www.fs.com/products/72582.html we will test to be sure this appears as one port of a breakout randy

breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Randy Bush
i am not a fiber/sfp/... geek, so clue bat please on my left, i have a delta 9020SL running arcos, female 40g qsfp on my right, i have incoming 10g 1310nm single mode from the seattle internet exchange. it is currently into a redstone 10g sfp NAMEVALUE

RE: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Luke Guillory
You'd need something like this, which you can jumper over to the 10G port. https://www.fs.com/products/37016.html Cable to break it out. https://www.fs.com/products/68048.html Luke Ns -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Wednesday, January 08,

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Ben Cannon
This is another good way to go, make sure you have a single mode handoff from the IX (you should, but double check this, orange fiber and yellow fiber are very different physically in size and generally not compatible. -Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC b...@6by7.net

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:20 PM Luke Guillory wrote: > > You'd need something like this, which you can jumper over to the 10G port. > > > https://www.fs.com/products/37016.html > > Cable to break it out. > > https://www.fs.com/products/68048.html > > I believe that these (and the AOC option)

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Randy Bush
> I believe that these (and the AOC option) require that the switch > understand / supports splitting the 40G interface into 4x10s arcos does what i expect, sub units as i have no problem wasting ports on the delta box (there are 48 and i only need two :) i think ben's

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Matt Erculiani
I doubt it applies to Randy's 48 port switch (and maybe in general), but for posterity: be advised that the QSFP28 to SFP+ adapter is physically taller than a standard QSFP28 optic, outside of the device. Inside is still to spec of course. Sort of like how RJ45 SFPs are slightly taller than fiber

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Matt Erculiani
I think you're looking for an MTP breakout cable, rather than a QSFP28 breakout. The MTP breakout requires separate optics, whereas the active breakout can plug directly into a device's SFP+ ports. Something like... https://www.fs.com/products/24422.html And

Re: breakout

2020-01-08 Thread Randy Carpenter
Old module says "10G_BASE_SX" so that is multimode fiber, which complicates things a bit. You can see about getting a single-mode handoff instead, or you may need the QSFP-SFP+ adapter (or intermediary switch). thanks, -Randy - On Jan 8, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Ben Cannon b...@6by7.net

Re: ICANN extracts $20m signing fee for $1bn dot-com price increases and guess who's going to pay for it?

2020-01-08 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >El Reg is more of a tabloid than industry media, but you can read almost >the same views at domain industry blogs: >http://domainincite.com/25129-breaking-verisign-pays-icann-20-million-and-gets-to-raise-com-prices-again

Re: ICANN extracts $20m signing fee for $1bn dot-com price increases and guess who's going to pay for it?

2020-01-08 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:46 PM John Levine wrote: > The impact of this is that if you have a .com domain name, you may > have to budget as much as an additional $3/yr. Wahoo. Hi John, I have no problem paying an extra $3/year for my .com IF every domain speculator must also pay an extra $3

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Octolus Development
The thing is. I can buy a brand new IP. It works fine on the websites. The moment it's hit by a DDoS Attack (TCP-AMP) .. Only 24-48 hours later, it's banned from all Inculpsa's aka Imperva's websites :) so something is horrible done wrong on their end and they're not interested in helping..

Re: ICANN extracts $20m signing fee for $1bn dot-com price increases and guess who's going to pay for it?

2020-01-08 Thread John R. Levine
I have no problem paying an extra $3/year for my .com IF every domain speculator must also pay an extra $3 for each of their .coms. Is that what's happening here? Yes. The contract very clearly says that everyone pays the same renewal price to the registry. Regards, John Levine,

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Octolus Development
No, that is not why.  We deployed a brand new IP, and it was banned 24-48 hours after the DDoS Attack was hit. The other IP that was never attacked, never got banned. We've tracked down the issue and confirmed it is the DDoS Attack coming from Akamai and Imperva's IP's that are banning us from

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Octolus Development
The error it displays on both Sony, and Imperva (and whatever websites who uses their protection). So this problem is not with Sony, but rather Imperva blocking IP's wildly. The IP's are not blocks, it's a single IP and the block/blacklist lifts after 7 days.  Error that appears on those

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Dec 2019

2020-01-08 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Lukas Tribus
Hello, On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 18:26, Octolus Development wrote: > > The error it displays on both Sony, and Imperva (and whatever websites who > uses their protection). So this problem is not with Sony, but rather Imperva > blocking IP's wildly. > > The IP's are not blocks, it's a single IP

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Hugo Slabbert
You're getting hit with something reported as "TCP-AMP" (I'm assuming TCP amplification; not sure what's classifying this for you) on your IP address, and then shortly thereafter that IP address is blocked from Imperva's services? Are the source IP addresses in those "TCP-AMP" attacks Sony IP

Re: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
Peace, Hey, your website says you're the developer of OctoVPN which is a VPN solution. *This* might be effectively the reason of blocking, not a DDoS. Gaming and streaming services typically discourage VPN traffic because a) VPNs help to circumvent regional restrictions, b) miscreants use VPNs

RE: Reaching out to Sony NOC, resolving DDoS Issues - Need POC

2020-01-08 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:35. Octolus Development wrote: >Sony are currently "looking into it" but they do not seem to care much. I >am a customer of Sony, I own PlayStation consoles and I am not able to >access their service. They tell me to change my IP instead of solving the >actual

Re: FCC proposes $10 Million fine for spoofed robocalls

2020-01-08 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Sat, 2020-01-04 at 16:32 +0200, Max Tulyev wrote: > > Also, we implemented immediate answer and voice menu option, it says > "Welcome, press ... to reach ...!" and circles. So me (as the telco > operator) receive the money for call termination, and real customer > do > not get a spam call.

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jan/20 15:12, Saku Ytti wrote: > > If you rewrite MED but not origin, then you're not really > accomplishing anything. Hmmh, now I'm curious... please explain why rewriting MED but not ORIGIN doesn't help. Mark.

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 14:46, wrote: > Other might be: “These experimental work is of great value to the community > and there’s a process now to announce and manage these experiments, what > about net neutrality, and besides modern BGP implementations should handle > well formatted

BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread adamv0025
Would like to gather current views of a wider community on BGP Path Attribute Filtering (discarding selected attributes in particular, not treat as withdraw) as an addition to the long list of standard conditioning tools like max as-path length limit, limiting number of communities all the way to

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 15:09, Mark Tinka wrote: > From our side, on peering links, re-write all MED to 0 and scrubs all > communities, and replace them with our own. If you rewrite MED, you SHOULD rewrite origin (which RFC prohibits, incorrectly). I can understand rationale for rewriting MED,

Re: Cost Recovery Surcharge & Va Personal Property Tax Recovery for IP Transit

2020-01-08 Thread Rob Seastrom
 >> On Jan 6, 2020, at 10:30, William Herrin wrote: > >> - Va Personal Property Tax Recovery (1.8%) > If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either > way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does not > tax the sale of services like

Re: BGP Path Attribute Filtering, YES or NO?

2020-01-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/Jan/20 14:44, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Would like to gather current views of a wider community on BGP Path > Attribute Filtering (discarding selected attributes in particular, not > treat as withdraw) as an addition to the long list of standard > conditioning tools like max