Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:48 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > > On 8/29/21 11:42, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > >> It would seem reasonable to leave the whole issue up to the courts, >> instead of engaging in contempt of foreign courts, and to stop the >> vigilante justice against any of the

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 29, 2021, at 17:41 , Masataka Ohta > wrote: > > John Levine wrote: > >> I would be astonished if ICANN had a position. For one thing, they >> have no provision for dealing with competing IP registries since the >> issue has never come up > > As > > ICP-2: Criteria for

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/30/21 08:39, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: As such, I think vigilante action and/or trying this case here on NANOG is probably not the best idea. Nor is jeopardizing, and probably ruining, the livelihoods of people who have families at home to feed, in a time when jobs are scarce and

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> I really, really don't want to upset Mel more than he already is, but Owen > shared a link with an actual order of the court. After "consideration of the > affidavit" the court allowed "up to" $50 million to be frozen. Whatever the > merits of the affidavit are, it indicates that the court

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> > After "consideration of the > affidavit" the court allowed "up to" $50 million to be frozen. Whatever the > merits of the affidavit are, it indicates that the court looked at the > facts, > made a determination and based on that ordered the asset freeze. > There's an important distinction to

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

- On Aug 30, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, >> I've ran an RBL for years, which many people used. It closed down more than >> a decade ago. Out of 100 DNS queries I logged just now with a quick tcpdump >> on one of my three DNS servers, I counted 51 for

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Owen, On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 02:10 Owen DeLong via NANOG, wrote: > > > > On Aug 30, 2021, at 07:44 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8/30/21 16:19, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > >> You may not like Lu and/or his business model. I’m not a fan of his > business model myself, but it is

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Um, Mike, no… That’s neither a fair nor accurate characterization of the current situation. AFRINIC has been given access to the equivalent of two months of operating costs from their bank accounts in a recent court ruling, so they are nowhere close to shut down. All of the chicken littles

Re: Main electric transmission towers collapsed--New Orleans at 11% Internet connectivity

Major wireless carriers have activated their open roaming agreements, allowing customers of competitors to connect to any working cell tower. As usual in disasters, text messaging may work even when voice and data connections don't. AT released the following statement: "Hurricane Ida has

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 07:44 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 8/30/21 16:19, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > >> You may not like Lu and/or his business model. I’m not a fan of his business >> model myself, but it is technically permitted under existing policy. > > And yet you continue to

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Owen On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 02:10 Owen DeLong via NANOG, wrote: > > So yes, I continue to work for and support Lu in this capacity because in > this case, I believe AFRINIC has overstepped its mandate If you believe, then we leave it at that. Its beliefs. and acted contrary to its own policies

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/25/21 11:26 AM, Dave wrote: Back feed is a significant problem but bringing a generator that is not synchronized to the grid can have dramatic results, typically only once This, IMO, is a great thread, lots of good reading here. My $dayjob is at a site where the previous occupants did

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/30/21 22:13, Lamar Owen wrote: I have some friends who work for the local electric cooperative, and all of them have backfeed stories.  Around here, which is very rural, it's not at all uncommon to have a single house isolated on a distribution spur; nor is it at all uncommon for

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

I was catching 5 minutes of CNN earlier this morning down here, and Gov. Edwards (LA) was appealing to folk running generators to make sure they don't die from smoke inhalation, due to using them inside the house so as to keep them away from water. Apparently, many have died post-storm due to

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Mon, 2021-08-30 at 16:08 -0700, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > > I am here doing what I am doing because I have ethics and morals. > Because even though I often disagree with Lu, in this case, he > happens to be right and AFRINIC must not be allowed to act so > irresponsibly in this

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/30/21 21:20, Mel Beckman wrote: I’ve had this scenario play out several times: Gotta love the Internet - we are all experts :-). Mark.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 18:00 , Rubens Kuhl wrote: > >> AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what ISPs >> do. It’s the definition of an LIR. >> >> Yes, most LIRs are also in the connectivity business and provide addresses >> (mostly/exclusively) to customers of

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

(I'm going to regret this in the morning, but...) On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 8:12 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what ISPs > do. It’s the definition of an LIR. > > All of the RIR's do this, yes. Also, yes LIR/ISP allocate space

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/31/21 01:08, Owen DeLong wrote: Just as I would fight for the rights of those I disagree with to express their views in the US under the first amendment rights granted by the US Constitution. I fail to see how the U.S. Constitution is an applicable example for what CI are doing in

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/31/21 01:19, Nathan Angelacos wrote: Amen. Sucks to be moral. But at the end of the day, you have to go to sleep and say I did what was moral. To me, that is NANOG. Yep, easy to say when these "morals" are not threatening you and your family. Mark.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/31/21 04:42, Tom Beecher wrote: It strikes me that ( without pointing at anyone in particular ) that there's a bit of absolutism trending in this conversation. It's possible for many things in this list to be true. - It's possible that AFRINIC may have been following it's policies

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/31/21 07:22, Owen DeLong wrote: Yes… AFRINIC’s actions of late are so illogical that when it comes to predicting them, all I can do is guess. And suing them for US$1.8 billion + garnishing US$50 million is significantly more logical. Got it. Mark.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 16:32 , Noah wrote: > > > Owen > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 02:10 Owen DeLong via NANOG, > wrote: > > So yes, I continue to work for and support Lu in this capacity because in > this case, I believe AFRINIC has overstepped its mandate > > If you

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 19:06 , John Kristoff wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:29:48 -0700 > Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > >> Further, the registries are not engaged in the daily operations of the >> internet. > > Hi Owen, > > Your statement above I have to insist is simply incorrect.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/31/21 01:29, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: Um, Mike, no… That’s neither a fair nor accurate characterization of the current situation. AFRINIC has been given access to the equivalent of two months of operating costs from their bank accounts in a recent court ruling, so they are nowhere

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 22:06 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 8/31/21 01:29, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > >> Um, Mike, no… That’s neither a fair nor accurate characterization of the >> current >> situation. >> >> AFRINIC has been given access to the equivalent of two months of operating

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 16:19 , Noah wrote: > > > Owen, > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021, 02:10 Owen DeLong via NANOG, > wrote: > > > > On Aug 30, 2021, at 07:44 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8/30/21 16:19, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > >> You may not like

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> AFRINIC approves IPv4 for the purpose of leasing every day. It’s what ISPs > do. It’s the definition of an LIR. > > Yes, most LIRs are also in the connectivity business and provide addresses > (mostly/exclusively) to customers of their connectivity services. Which is why CI informed AfriNIC

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

It strikes me that ( without pointing at anyone in particular ) that there's a bit of absolutism trending in this conversation. It's possible for many things in this list to be true. - It's possible that AFRINIC may have been following it's policies accurately at the time of the initial

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

we all, in true nanog tradition, sure do talk a lot. but, to repeat, i put my money where my mouth is. you should too. https://www.tespok.co.ke/?page_id=14001 randy

RE: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Yes, most grounding out now that utilities do for work is all phases to one another, to the neutral and to the ground. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mel Beckman Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:59 AM To: Aaron C. de Bruyn Cc: NANOG Operators' Group Subject: Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:29:48 -0700 Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > Further, the registries are not engaged in the daily operations of the > internet. Hi Owen, Your statement above I have to insist is simply incorrect. In addition to the traditional services that are relied upon in a variety

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/31/21 07:16, Owen DeLong wrote: I guess that depends on whether or not AFRINIC is willing to engage in a reasonable settlement effort within the next 2 months or not. I guess we’ll see what they do. Lots of guessing... Mark.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 22:21 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 8/31/21 07:16, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> I guess that depends on whether or not AFRINIC is willing to engage in a >> reasonable >> settlement effort within the next 2 months or not. >> >> I guess we’ll see what they do. > > Lots

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/30/21 16:19, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: This is neither a fair nor accurate portrayal of the situation. Further, by acting as it had, AFRINIC was the one which tried to suffocate CI first. Yeah... look ma, he started it... You may not like Lu and/or his business model. I’m not a

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Yes, this is a real and dangerous problem. Today. Even with grounding I’m afraid. Source: I’ve been working in an engineering capacity for 27 years and I have the license you’d need to build a nuclear power plant. Things people underestimate in my opinion: Water. Wind. Transformers.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> > It sounds like > the whole situation with the asset freeze could have been avoided had > AfriNIC not engaged in contempt of court to start with; surely having > more contempt of court is not the solution here, now is it? > I'm sorry, in what universe is discussing the situation on a mailing

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 3:39 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > > > On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:48 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > > > > On 8/29/21 11:42, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > > > >> It would seem reasonable to leave the whole issue up to the courts, > >> instead of engaging in contempt of

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 06:30, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 3:39 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG > wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:48 , Jay Hennigan wrote: >>> On 8/29/21 11:42, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: >>> It would seem reasonable to leave the

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/30/21 16:19, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: You may not like Lu and/or his business model. I’m not a fan of his business model myself, but it is technically permitted under existing policy. And yet you continue to work for and support him in this capacity. But hey, you have to eat.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

> You may not like Lu and/or his business model. I’m not a fan of his business > model myself, but it is technically permitted under existing policy. If the > community doesn’t like that fact, there is a process to change the policies. > Terminating a member based on rules which don’t actually

RE: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

I told my wife that she is my critical load as such I like to treat our place like a datacenter. House wide UPS for all lights and all bedroom and office outlets, large generator system, ATS and lots of fuel. Last time I was at a nanog and the power went out she chuckled when I told her it

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 12:47 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG < nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > I've been following the thread. > If I'm dumb enough to back feed through the transformer into the > downstream side of the downed line, how is it going to be a problem if > linemen are grounding the phases

Microsoft peering contact

Hi, We have sent emails to Microsoft AS8075 peeringdb contacts but we have not received any answer yet. Can someone share a contact, in unicast, who can answer some issues with the Azure API? Thanks, Tomas Lynch

RE: Microsoft peering contact

Tomas, In the bottom left corner, there is an escalation matrix based on priority, depending on the issue you can work up the chain at a reasonable pace. Ryan From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tomas Lynch Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:21 AM To: NANOG Subject: Microsoft peering contact

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

- On Aug 30, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: > And that's why carpet bombing those IP blocks might be needed so the next entity that ends up with those IP addresses long after CI has gone into oblivion will have its engineers debug odd routing issues for years. We all

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

During the February 2021 storm that swept through the US, power got knocked out on my rural street due to a tree coming down and taking out a pole. While they were waiting for a few more trucks to arrive with a replacement pole, I got to ask them a few questions. They said it's standard practice

Re: netflow in the core used for surveillance

Hi, all. Re: last week's thread on the Vice article - I can only speak for Kentik, and *we* don't resell or give 3rd party access to NetFlow data from our hundreds of customers. And never have. But there is definitely interest out there. We do get approached about it periodically and always

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

> > There are usually redundancies built-in when it comes to safety. i.e. > what's the point of installing grounds on the upstream side if you have the > switch open? If the lines are de-energized, why wear gloves? If you're > doing all that, why carry an AED? > My uncle was a high tension

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Aaron, Your incorrect assumption is that lineman are tying phases to earth ground, a discontinued practice that killed many lineman up through 1980, despite its seeming faultless logic. The current safety practice is called “equipotential grounding”, which doesn’t go to earth. Thus an backed

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

But to be clear, if this was a simple court case I don't think anyone on this list would have an issue with simply sitting back and letting the court decide. You have to remember though that CI in this case has essentially forced one of the major registrars to virtually shut down. That's a

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Aaron, I think you didn’t get that the lineman was talking about equipotential grounding. The school of “waiting for a few more trucks to arrive” probably doesn’t get into the full depth of the subject :) -mel On Aug 30, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn mailto:aa...@heyaaron.com>>

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 1:57 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > There are usually redundancies built-in when it comes to safety. i.e. >> what's the point of installing grounds on the upstream side if you have the >> switch open? If the lines are de-energized, why wear gloves? If you're >> doing all

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

NANOG Mail list users, This thread has had a few twists and turns, as well as ups and downs. So I am taking a moment on behalf of the admins to remind everyone here of the Usage Guidelines . First and foremost - please

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

No stress, Valerie. I kind of new it was borderline. I mean no disrespect. It just irks me that non-African entities are coming into Africa to cause unnecessary and unneeded problems, for Africa. Mark. On 8/30/21 17:17, Valerie Wittkop wrote: My apologies to Mark - I sent a message in

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

No stress, Valerie. I kind of knew it was borderline. I mean no disrespect. It just irks me that non-African entities are coming into Africa to cause unnecessary and unneeded problems, for Africa. Mark. On 8/30/21 17:17, Valerie Wittkop wrote: My apologies to Mark - I sent a message in

Re: What is your preferred outage tracking service? (Hurricane Ida)

On Sun 2021-08-29 17:29:06-0400 Sean wrote: > Netblocks is reporting connectivity in New Orleans LA is at 72% of > normal as Hurricane Ida makes landfall. > > https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1432038858460442625 > > There are per-incident things, like the outages mailing list and >

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 7:35 AM Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE < l...@6by7.net> wrote: > Yes, this is a real and dangerous problem. Today. Even with grounding > I’m afraid. Source: I’ve been working in an engineering capacity for 27 > years and I have the license you’d need to build a

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

Aaron, If you read back in this thread (using the NANOG mailing list archive), you’ll find this has been explained in great detail. In a nutshell, phase grounding won’t help if a generator is energized from the customer end, and this technique was discontinued in the 1970s due to the many

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/30/21 18:20, Herb L wrote: https://www.csemag.com/articles/grounding-points-single-or-multi/ Even they conclude that multiple grounding points should all converge at the main single point. Grounding is probably the most misunderstood element of electricity. In cases where earth

Re: Main electric transmission towers collapsed--New Orleans at 11% Internet connectivity

Unlike other utilities, I have not seen any outage reports directly from the major telecommunications companies serving Louisiana and New Orleans. 9-1-1 out of service in three parishes (Orleans, Jefferson, St. Tammany). 100% of power is out in 4 parishes, over 80% power out in 14 parishes.

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

Please be mindful of usage guideline number 6 - Behavior or posts that are defamatory, abusive, profane, threatening, or include foul language, character assassination, and lack of respect for other participants are prohibited. Valerie Wittkop Program Director vwitt...@nanog.org | +1

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

My apologies to Mark - I sent a message in error to the full list that should have been sent privately. Valerie Wittkop Program Director vwitt...@nanog.org | +1 734-730-0225 (mobile) | www.nanog.org NANOG | 305 E. Eisenhower Pkwy, Suite 100 | Ann Arbor, MI 48108, USA ASN 19230 > On Aug 30,

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 10:38:01PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > Oddly, I recommended to a friend (one who promotes competitors do the wrong > thing, hehe) that sending CI routes to /dev/null would be ideal. Trollish idea of the day: since it is an IPv4-specific

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/30/21 17:59, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: Would you care to educate me on this? If you ground the phases on both sides of the work-site, how are you going to end up being a better path to ground? I'm not sure if it applies to work sites for linesmen, but my limited

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

https://www.csemag.com/articles/grounding-points-single-or-multi/ > On Aug 30, 2021, at 09:10, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 8/30/21 17:59, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: > >> >> Would you care to educate me on this? >> If you ground the phases on both sides of the work-site, how are you

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/30/21 18:19, Chris Cariffe wrote: That's a ground loop, you want to avoid that. Yes, that... Mark.

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

I've been following the thread. If I'm dumb enough to back feed through the transformer into the downstream side of the downed line, how is it going to be a problem if linemen are grounding the phases on *both sides* of the work area. That's what Ben seemed to be implying. -A On Mon, Aug 30,

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:35 PM Sabri Berisha wrote: > > - On Aug 30, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: > > > And that's why carpet bombing those IP blocks might be needed so the next > > entity that ends up with those IP addresses long after CI has gone into > oblivion

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/30/21 10:46, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: While they were waiting for a few more trucks to arrive with a replacement pole, I got to ask them a few questions.  They said it's standard practice for them to ground on both sides exactly for the reason that someone might accidentally

Re: Main electric transmission towers collapsed--New Orleans at 11% Internet connectivity

My concern is what will happen with ILA sites that traverse through the Orleans parish and others that are going to be without electricity for many weeks to come. Eight transmission circuits went into cascading failure last eve. While not all physically damaged, it will time to assess and begin

RE: Microsoft peering contact

Hi All, I’ve also problems to get some responses, now tried a third email. Let see what will happened. But generally my “issue” is totally low prio. Thanks, From: NANOG On Behalf Of Ryan Hamel Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 7:34 PM To: 'Tomas Lynch' ; 'NANOG' Subject: RE: Microsoft

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

- On Aug 30, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Rubens, First and foremost, I appreciate that you're keeping it civil. > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:35 PM Sabri Berisha wrote: >> The learned people on this list do not strike me as the kind of person to >> go out

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

> The point that several brought up is that doing so is not only a bad idea, > but that it simply won't work Jay, I’ve had this scenario play out several times: DIYguy: Check out my new generator! It’s big enough to power the whole house! Me: You run extension cords from the generator to all