Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

It’s the frequency and the knowledge to configure the software and equipment that is still prohibitively expensive in many cases. And frankly, if you are only providing fixed access to 500 users, I’m not sure even the AWS solution is necessary. Because if you can configure the transport and

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

I don't know what that article says, but cloudification of the mobile core has been a thing for a while. We have this: https://wgtwo.com/ Disclaimer: I'm working for Telenor and spouse is working for Cisco. WG2 is a joint venture between Cisco, Telenor and Digital Alpha. Bjørn

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 14:33, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote: It’s the frequency and the knowledge to configure the software and equipment that is still prohibitively expensive in many cases. And I think this is where the AWS solution would be able to come into its own, just like they did with

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/19/22 21:52, Michael Thomas wrote: There was an article in the Economist (sorry if it's paywalled) about Dish entering the mobile market using an AWS backend. I don't think that AWS brings much more than compute for the most part so I don't really get why this would be a huge win. A

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 12:50, Bjørn Mork wrote: I don't know what that article says, but cloudification of the mobile core has been a thing for a while. We have this: https://wgtwo.com/ Disclaimer: I'm working for Telenor and spouse is working for Cisco. WG2 is a joint venture between Cisco, Telenor

Re: Telia is now Arelion

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 02:47:17PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: > I do want to point out that it isn't a mindless name change like > Xfinity, Spectrum, or Lumen. It's because the company actually split > off from Telia proper and thus, needed a new name. And here I thought it was Telia getting back

Re: Flow collection and analysis

On 1/25/22 17:46, David Bass wrote: Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are using these days for netflow data collection, and your opinion on the tool? Kentik. Happy. Mark.

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 15:45, Masataka Ohta wrote: As is stated in free part of the article that: The country’s three biggest carriers, AT, Verizon and T-Mobile, have offered 5G connectivity but in practice this differed little from the earlier 4G. 5G is nothing. That's all. Considering

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

Mark Tinka wrote: By one operator offering 5G, all other operators are forced to offer 5G. So they all end up spending billions to remain in the same place. As 802 is for LANMAN, all we need is 802.11 for MAN maybe combined with IP mobility.

Re: Flow collection and analysis

I’ll be the minority voice here - I have been very happy with Argus (qosient.com) but it does not have a GUI and that seems to be a factor for some Dave > On Jan 25, 2022, at 10:46 AM, David Bass wrote: > > Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are > using

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 6:06 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 1/25/22 15:45, Masataka Ohta wrote: > > > As is stated in free part of the article that: > > > > The country’s three biggest carriers, AT, Verizon and > > T-Mobile, have offered 5G connectivity but in practice > > this

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 16:14, Ca By wrote: I would say its all actually billions of $$ in spectrum and patent fees… hardware parts are a rounding error. Yes, the majority of the cost is in bidding and competing for spectrum. It's a whole song & dance. But also, depending on just how much of a

Re: Flow collection and analysis

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 11:46:14 -0400 David Bass wrote: > Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there > are using these days for netflow data collection, and your opinion on > the tool? Two open source tools you might consider: nfdump

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

Michael Thomas wrote: Am I missing something, or is this mainly hype? As is stated in free part of the article that: The country’s three biggest carriers, AT, Verizon and T-Mobile, have offered 5G connectivity but in practice this differed little from the earlier 4G.

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

Mark, Use the 12 foot ladder to get over the 10 foot paywall: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Fbusiness%2Fwill-the-cloud-business-eat-the-5g-telecoms-industry%2F21806999 On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 4:12 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 1/19/22 21:52, Michael Thomas wrote: >

Re: Operator survey: Incrementally deployable secure Internet routing

Hi Laura > With the greatest of respect I'm afraid this kind of exemplifies the sort of dream-ware that can only be thought up in the cozy confines of a university campus. Indeed, that's the origin of many innovations -- and some of them do make it into the real world. > So the chances of

Flow collection and analysis

Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are using these days for netflow data collection, and your opinion on the tool? Thanks!

Re: Flow collection and analysis

If your looking to go low-cost (free) try: 1) Carnegie/Mellon's very robust, flexible and efficient collector analyzer (command line): SiLK - https://tools.netsa.cert.org/silk 2) FlowViewer - A comprehensive web-based user interface for SiLK which provides textual, graphical analysis, long

Re: Operator survey: Incrementally deployable secure Internet routing

Hi Scott > "Do you use countries as ISDs? Doesn't that create opportunities for government intervention and censorship? > I asked about the ISDs and put a FAQ you have as an example. I didn't ask about the SBAS. It seems to me that the ingress/egress of an ISD is the place a government

Re: Flow collection and analysis

Most of these things, yes. Add: Troubleshooting/operational support Customer reporting On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 1:38 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:53 AM David Bass > wrote: > >> Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are >>

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 6:02 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 1/25/22 15:45, Masataka Ohta wrote: As is stated in free part of the article that: The country’s three biggest carriers, AT, Verizon and T-Mobile, have offered 5G connectivity but in practice this differed little from the earlier 4G.

Re: Flow collection and analysis

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:53 AM David Bass wrote: > Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are > using these days for netflow data collection, and your opinion on the tool? a question not asked, and answer not provided here, is: "What are you actually trying

Re: Flow collection and analysis

Hi, There is also Elastiflow https://docs.elastiflow.com/docs/ https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow. Cordialement / Best regards Pierre Lancastre Le mar. 25 janv. 2022 à 17:45, Mel Beckman a écrit : > We use, depending on the situation, Intermapper, PRTG, and NTop. > > Intermapper has

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 6:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mark, Use the 12 foot ladder to get over the 10 foot paywall: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Fbusiness%2Fwill-the-cloud-business-eat-the-5g-telecoms-industry%2F21806999 Yeah, sorry I didn't know what their paywall looked like

Re: Long hops on international paths

Hello Adam, Thanks for your follow-up - it helps to clarify that we've been observing in our analysis. The tradeoff between cost (100G+ links), manageability (related to BGP) and risk (i.e., concentration of high-value links in a few locations) is really interesting and not something that we

Re: Flow collection and analysis

On Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 at 15:46, David Bass wrote: > Wondering what others in the small to medium sized networks out there are > using these days for netflow data collection, and your opinion on the tool? > > Thanks! Not a suggestion, but a question Curious to know if anyone

Re: Flow collection and analysis

We use, depending on the situation, Intermapper, PRTG, and NTop. Intermapper has the most powerful viewing app, but it’s expensive in that you have to pay for each flow collector. It’s an actual app (Windows, Mac, and Linux), rather than a web-based interface, so they can do more tricks with

RE: Long hops on international paths

Peering connection, I think, can explain this. With some notable exceptions (all of whom participate here, I think), carriers still don’t throw around 100G+ peering routers around like sprinkles on a donut. (Even those big networks don’t, it just looks like they do because they’re freaking

Re: Flow collection and analysis

My company uses Auvik. It's easy to setup but needs some tuning and is furiously expensive. The traffic analysis is pretty good and can be export for you to use in other tools. If netflow is all you are using it for look elsewhere regardless of what a sales person sales. Kevin On Tue, Jan 25,

Re: Flow collection and analysis

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 at 16:44, Mel Beckman wrote: > We use, depending on the situation, Intermapper, PRTG, and NTop. > > PRTG includes its web-based flow collector and viewer for free, and there is > even a free 100-sensor edition of the product that

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:11 AM Michael Thomas wrote: > > [...] > > Since everybody has their own wifi it seems that federating all of them > for pretty good coverage by a provider and charging a nominal fee to > manage it would suit a lot of people needs. It doesn't need expensive > spectrum

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

Cox has been doing this for awhile. On 1/25/22 13:44, Matthew Petach wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:11 AM Michael Thomas wrote: [...] Since everybody has their own wifi it seems that federating all of them for pretty good coverage by a provider and charging a nominal

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 11:44 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 10:11 AM Michael Thomas wrote: [...] Since everybody has their own wifi it seems that federating all of them for pretty good coverage by a provider and charging a nominal fee to manage it would suit a

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 16:11, Josh Luthman wrote: Mark, Use the 12 foot ladder to get over the 10 foot paywall: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Fbusiness%2Fwill-the-cloud-business-eat-the-5g-telecoms-industry%2F21806999 Hehe, thanks :-). So yeah, it sort of mirrors my

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Flow collection and analysis

On Tuesday, January 25th, 2022 at 23:50, Compton, Rich A wrote: > You can pretty much do the same thing with Elastic’s filebeat > (https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/beats/filebeat/current/filebeat-module-netflow.html). >   > Has Elastic decided to join the rest of the world in the 21st century

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 11:44, Matthew Petach wrote: Which is pretty much what Xfinity is already offering to their subscribers; use your xfinity login to get onto the wifi access points of other xfinity users all around the country, relatively seamlessly. Which is a major hassle if you have your own APs

RE: Flow collection and analysis

I agree with you. The tool doesn’t really matter. Windows, linux, cloud or not. It’s really important to first understand what are you trying to solve or improve? If this step is forgotten, then it will just be another tool to support to add in your long list of useless tools. My

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 21:56, Michael Thomas wrote: What I was thinking of is more of "over the top" where I don't need to be an Xfinity customer (lot least of which is that I can't). I've seen MNO's partner with other providers to run a VLAN for their service on their wi-fi network. For various

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Flow collection and analysis

Samplicator is a nifty tool. --John On 1/25/22 16:50, Compton, Rich A wrote: Elastiflow is pretty cool. https://www.elastiflow.com  or the old open source version: https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow You can pretty much do the same thing with Elastic’s filebeat

Re: What do you think about the "cloudification" of mobile?

On 1/25/22 20:06, Michael Thomas wrote: That's what I've been trying to figure out as well. The use case of seamless handoff across large regions is fairly niche imo. Sure that was the original motivation for cell phones, but smartphones are about as statically located as laptops and

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Flow collection and analysis

Elastiflow is pretty cool. https://www.elastiflow.com or the old open source version: https://github.com/robcowart/elastiflow You can pretty much do the same thing with Elastic’s filebeat (https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/beats/filebeat/current/filebeat-module-netflow.html). Pmacct is also good