Announcement of Experiments

Hi NANOG, We are a group of researchers from the KTH Royal Institute of Technology (Sweden). Starting from May 9 until May 31, we plan to conduct a research study involving AS-PATH poisoning to measure how reliable route collectors are to report BGP poisoned routes. We will use the PEERING

Re: Announcement of Experiments

> > If, for any reason, you want to opt out from us using your ASN for our > experiments, you can do so in the following form before May 9: > > https://forms.gle/ZvZaodndPhCqMvR89 > If I am interpreting this correctly that you are just going to yolo a bunch of random ASNs to poison paths with,

Re: Announcement of Experiments

Hi! If, for any reason, you want to opt out from us using your ASN for our experiments, you can do so in the following form before May 9: https://forms.gle/ZvZaodndPhCqMvR89 If I am interpreting this correctly that you are just going to yolo a bunch of random ASNs to poison paths

Re: Announcement of Experiments

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 7:26 AM Raymond Dijkxhoorn via NANOG wrote: > Hi! > > > If, for any reason, you want to opt out from us using your ASN > > for our experiments, you can do so in the following form before May 9: > > > > https://forms.gle/ZvZaodndPhCqMvR89 > > > If I am interpreting

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Hi! > If I am interpreting this correctly that you are just going to yolo a > bunch of random ASNs to poison paths with, perhaps you should consider > getting explicit permission for the ASNs you want to use instead.  > > A lot of operators monitor the DFZ for prefixes with their ASN in the >

Re: Announcement of Experiments

> > When you the last time you asked the entire internet’s permission to > announce routes ? > I am not suggesting that anyone ask for permission to announce routes. I am suggesting they ask for permission to use ASNs that are not theirs in the experiment, instead of forgiveness later for any

Re: Announcement of Experiments

On 5/1/22 23:59, Alexandros Milolidakis wrote: If, for any reason, you want to opt out from us using your ASN for our experiments, you can do so in the following form before May 9: https://forms.gle/ZvZaodndPhCqMvR89 How do you intend to manage

Re: Announcement of Experiments

> On May 2, 2022, at 7:04 AM, Alexandros Milolidakis wrote: > >  > Hi NANOG, > > We are a group of researchers from the KTH Royal Institute of Technology > (Sweden). > Starting from May 9 until May 31, we plan to conduct a research study > involving AS-PATH poisoning to measure how

Re: Announcement of Experiments

hi adam, you are correct, it will affect research based on as_path data from the ris/rv collectors etc. which is why i think these researchers were kind to warn us so we can remove data for those prefixes from in any measurements betting on as_path which might be so sensitive so as to be

OARC 38 Call for Contributions

OARC 38 will be a two-day hybrid meeting held on July 30th and 31st, 2022  starting at 10 am (Eastern). The onsite part of the meeting will be co-located with IETF 114 (Philadelphia). The Programme Committee is seeking contributions from the community. All DNS-related subjects and

Re: Announcement of Experiments

> We are a group of researchers from the KTH Royal Institute of Technology > (Sweden). > > Starting from May 9 until May 31, we plan to conduct a research study > involving AS-PATH poisoning to measure how reliable route collectors > are to report BGP poisoned routes. > > We will use the PEERING

RE: Announcement of Experiments

I am not claiming any of this is official MERLIN position on the matter, these are merely my thoughts so far based on the incomplete knowledge & data I have: IMHO, it's somewhat the same as if I made public statements that started with "Well, I talked to Randy Bush and he said ". I'm

Re: Announcement of Experiments

I think I get why you'd always like to opt-in rather than opt-out after short notice. Yet for this particular line of research, having operators explicitly opt-in sort of defeats the entire purpose of poisoning their ASN. Say you'd manipulate/eavesdrop/whatever my traffic and I consequently

Re: Announcement of Experiments

I really don't see any harm with this experiment especially considering that the first AS Number on the AS_PATH will be the correct AS-PATH from which the two prefixes should be originated from. Clear whatever ASN that follows after that wouldn't matter as the internet will always forward

Re: Announcement of Experiments

In my honest opinion, it's the fact that they're going to be using random AS's without prior consent from those that hold said AS's, and only giving operators a week to opt-out of something that they never opted into in the first place. Regards, Peter On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 2:10 PM Lars Prehn

Re: Announcement of Experiments

> > Short Disclaimer: I frequently use the PEERING testbed myself, so I'm > genuinely interested in where and why people draw the boundary of what's > fine and what's not. > Fine : Experimentation. Not fine : Experimentation with number or ASN resources that are not yours without prior

RE: Announcement of Experiments

The real question is, does this follow "good research practice?" The responses on this list would suggest "no." FWIW: https://intra.kth.se/en/forskning/overgripande-stod/etik-och-god-forskni/avvikelse-fran-god-forskningssed-1.1112846 - Jima From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom Beecher Sent: Monday,

Re: Could people with experience with ARIN's IRR API contact me off-list?

I don't have anything for you, but I'm curious what IPAM you're using and what difficulties you're having. I'm looking to do something similar. On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:27 AM Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: > All, > > Dayjob uses RADB mainly but would like for authority purposes to put some >

Re: Could people with experience with ARIN's IRR API contact me off-list?

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:27 AM Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: All, Dayjob uses RADB mainly but would like for authority purposes to put some things in ARIN. I've had an ARIN help desk ticket in for a couple days, and would like to move to letting our IPAM files be

Re: Announcement of Experiments

Short Disclaimer: I frequently use the PEERING testbed myself, so I'm genuinely interested in where and why people draw the boundary of what's fine and what's not. Iirc., the route collectors see a (drastically varying) number of poisoned routes (assuming everything within a loop is