Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Jon Kibler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Bertrand wrote: Jon Kibler wrote: To answer that question, I would start with ingress and egress filtering by IP address, protocol, etc.: 1) Never allow traffic to egress any subnet unless its source IP address is within that subnet

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread Perry Lorier
WRT Anycast DNS; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using prefix:::1 I personally would suggest getting a well known ULA-C allocation assigned to IANA, then use

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Perry Lorier
TJ wrote: WRT Anycast DNS; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using prefix:::1 FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill. I think for very

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread TJ
WRT Anycast DNS; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? Needs an acronym ... off the top of my head, something like ASPEN - Anycast Service Provisioning for Enterprise Networks ... ? (Although it could be appropriate for an ISP-HomeUser as well ... hmmm, SPATULA - Service Provisioning -

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Steve Bertrand
Jon Kibler wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: Jon Kibler wrote: To answer that question, I would start with ingress and egress filtering by IP address, protocol, etc.: 1) Never allow traffic to egress any subnet unless its source IP address is within that subnet range. Sorry to nit, but

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread TJ
WRT Anycast DNS; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using prefix:::1 FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill. I think for very small/small networks anycast

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread Joe Maimon
Owen DeLong wrote: On Oct 22, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: NAT wasnt a component of IPv4 until it was already had widespread adoption. I remain completely unconvinced that people will not continue to perceive value in PAT6 between their private and their public subnets. People may

[NANOG-announce] NANOG committee announcements

2009-10-23 Thread Steve Feldman
The NANOG Steering Committee is pleased to announce that these people have been chosen to fill the eight open seats on the Program Committee: - Cathy Aronson - Jim Cowie - Barry Greene - Mohit Lad - Chris Morrow - Kevin Oberman - Dani Roisman - Sonia Sakovich With eighteen candidates this

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:08 AM, Perry Lorier wrote: WRT Anycast DNS; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using prefix:::1 I personally would suggest getting a well

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:45 AM, TJ wrote: WRT Anycast DNS; Perhaps a special-case of ULA, FD00::53? You want to allow for more than one for obvious fault isolation and load balancing reasons. The draft suggested using prefix:::1 FWIW - I think simple anycast fits that bill.

[NANOG-announce] NANOG committee announcements (part 2)

2009-10-23 Thread Steve Feldman
Nominations for the Communications Committee (formerly known as the Mailing List Committee) remain open until October 29. With the recent charter amendment, this committee has a unique opportunity to help shape the presence of NANOG on the web, collaboration and social media platforms,

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com said: Please remember that IPv6 DNS is OFTEN not stateless as the replies are commonly too large for UDP. Anything that supports IPv6 _should_ also support EDNS0. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Justin Shore
Owen DeLong wrote: Blocking ports that the end user has not asked for is bad. I was going to ask for a clarification to make sure I read your statement correctly but then again it's short enough I really don't see any room to misinterpret it. Do you seriously think that a typical

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Chris Boyd
On Oct 22, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: My experience is that port 587 isn't used because ISPs block it out-of-hand. Or in the case of Rogers in (at least) Vancouver, hijack it with a proxy that filters out the AUTH parts of the EHLO response, making the whole

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Jack Bates
Chris Boyd wrote: Once it's set up correctly we've found customers really like it since their email just works in most places. We get the same response. The largest 587 usage we have currently, though, is cell/PDA. Jack

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Steve Bertrand
Chris Boyd wrote: On Oct 22, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: My experience is that port 587 isn't used because ISPs block it out-of-hand. Or in the case of Rogers in (at least) Vancouver, hijack it with a proxy that filters out the AUTH parts of the EHLO

Anyone connected to AR2.PHI1 of GlobalCrossing?

2009-10-23 Thread alex-lists-nanog
If there's anyone getting transit of AR2.PHI1 of Global Crossing, could you kindly drop me an email off-list? Thanks, Alex

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Michael Peddemors
On October 23, 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: http://eagle.ca/update/mail/Outlook_Express/index.html ...yes, believe it or not, even with the pictures, they will sometimes still get it wrong ;) Years in planning and implementation, but a good, large-scale learning exercise and the

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread TJ
I figured was a good candidate since it's already partially in use for reserved special addresses. But in a totally non-routable fashion, as it stands today. ULA's have the immediate benefit of being routable, but not globally so - and (hopefully) already being in filter lists to

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Steve Bertrand
Michael Peddemors wrote: On October 23, 2009, Steve Bertrand wrote: http://eagle.ca/update/mail/Outlook_Express/index.html ...yes, believe it or not, even with the pictures, they will sometimes still get it wrong ;) Years in planning and implementation, but a good, large-scale learning

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
Rogers says they don't do that, and lots of other people seem to be able to use port 587 on Rogers (and other ISPs) without problems. I'm in Calgary right now so I can't check the current behaviour, but as of June 1st it was still broken. Broken in the sense that any connection to port 587

Weekly Routing Table Report

2009-10-23 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Chris Boyd
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:15 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) wrote: As for outright blockage of port 587, I get this complaint from many of my clients while they are on the road. It seems hotels love to block it. I travel a bit (used to a lot) and only found one place that proxied it.

Re: {SPAM?} Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN

2009-10-23 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:50:47PM +1300, Perry Lorier wrote: I've implemented myself a system which firewalled all ARP within the AP and queried the DHCP server asking for the correct MAC for that lease then sent the ARP back (as well as firewalling DHCP servers and the like). It's quite

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Lee Riemer
Isn't blocking any port against the idea of Net Neutrality? Justin Shore wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: Blocking ports that the end user has not asked for is bad. I was going to ask for a clarification to make sure I read your statement correctly but then again it's short enough I really don't

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread James R. Cutler
Blocking the well known port 25 does not block sending of mail. Or the message content. Blocking various well know M$ protocol ports does not block remote file access. Or control the type of files that can be accessed. I think the relevant neutrality principle is that traffic is not

BGP Update Report

2009-10-23 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 15-Oct-09 -to- 22-Oct-09 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS6389 129479 3.7% 38.7 -- BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc. 2 - AS17488

The Cidr Report

2009-10-23 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Oct 23 21:11:17 2009 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Justin Shore
Dan White wrote: On 23/10/09 17:58 -0400, James R. Cutler wrote: Blocking the well known port 25 does not block sending of mail. Or the message content. It does block incoming SMTP traffic on that well known port. Then the customer should have bought a class of service that permits

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread James R. Cutler
No, blocking a port does not restrict a customers use of the network any more than one way streets restrict access to downtown stores. It just forces certain traffic directions in a bicycle/motorcycle/car/van/ truck neutral manner. Carry anything you want. Others laws restrict incendiary

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
The original intent of Net Neutrality laws had nothing to do with blocking or not on random ports. It had to do with giving an unfair advantage to the provider in question to sell competing services. Much like anti-trust legislation doesn't stop a company from cornering a market, just

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Dan White
On 23/10/09 17:43 -0500, Justin Shore wrote: It does block incoming SMTP traffic on that well known port. Then the customer should have bought a class of service that permits servers. That justification is a slippery slope. At what point do you draw the line on what constitutes business

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Justin Shore wrote: Dan White wrote: On 23/10/09 17:58 -0400, James R. Cutler wrote: Blocking the well known port 25 does not block sending of mail. Or the message content. It does block incoming SMTP traffic on that well known port. Then the customer should

Slashdotted - Peering Disputes Migrate To IPv6

2009-10-23 Thread Scott Howard
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/23/1715235/Peering-Disputes-Migrate-To-IPv6 I wouldn't bother with the comments unless you really need to know how the analogy between IP peering and two gay guys ends up... (hey, it's Slashdot, what did you expect?) Scott

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread Owen DeLong
Yes. Owen On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Lee Riemer wrote: Isn't blocking any port against the idea of Net Neutrality? Justin Shore wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: Blocking ports that the end user has not asked for is bad. I was going to ask for a clarification to make sure I read your

Re: IPv6 Deployment for the LAN ... anycast

2009-10-23 Thread Perry Lorier
I think for very small/small networks anycast requires a lot of overhead and understanding. If your big enough to do anycast and/or loadbalancing it's not hard for you to put all three addresses onto one device. Anycast isn't really hard - same address, multiple places, routers see

Re: ISP port blocking practice

2009-10-23 Thread James Hess
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Justin Shore jus...@justinshore.com wrote: [...]  Just because someone bought themselves a Camry doesn't mean that Toyota is deciding for them that they can't haul 1000lbs of concrete with it. [...] Server does not necessarily equal business. A server that