Thank you so much Jonathon.
This is exactly what I what I was searching for.
Oh and yes I should have mentioned I'd like to do the Y.1731 and measure the
delay and delay variance
Just yesterday evening I found a great article about how ATT did theirs
active measurements though for IP - wondering
I'm trying to figure out whether CERNET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERNET
is part of the official Internet, or is behind the Great Firewall where
access to invididual networks on the public Internet must be explicitly
granted. Anyone in the know?
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:23:34AM +0200,
Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote
a message of 5 lines which said:
the official Internet
I wasn't aware there is an official Internet. Where is it?
On 2012-09-27 11:23 , Eugen Leitl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out whether CERNET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERNET
is part of the official Internet,
There is no 'official Internet', there is a 'view on the Internet'.
Note that if you would do an eyeball count the 'official' one would be
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
I'm trying to figure out whether CERNET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERNET
is part of the official Internet, or is behind the Great Firewall where
access to invididual networks on the public Internet must be explicitly
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Jeroen Massar jer...@unfix.org wrote:
On 2012-09-27 11:23 , Eugen Leitl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out whether CERNET
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERNET
is part of the official Internet,
There is no 'official Internet', there is a 'view on the
On 09/20/2012 12:34 AM, John Kemp wrote:
On 9/19/12 5:29 AM, Phil Regnauld wrote:
Joseph M. Owino (jpmuga) writes:
Hi,
Hope you are all well. I work at an exchange point and was seeking any
assistance on how to implement a software based route server as currently we
are using a Cisco
http://slashdot.org/topic/datacenter/terabit-ethernet-is-dead-for-now/
Terabit Ethernet is Dead, for Now
by Mark Hachman | September 26, 2012
A straw poll of the IEEE's high-speed Ethernet group finds that 400-Gbits/s
is almost unanimously preferred.
Sorry, everybody: terabit Ethernet looks
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
http://slashdot.org/topic/datacenter/terabit-ethernet-is-dead-for-now/
Terabit Ethernet is Dead, for Now
I recall 40Gbit/s Ethernet being promoted heavily for similar reasons
as the ones in this article, but then 100Gbit/s
In a message written on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:58:09AM -0400, Darius
Jahandarie wrote:
I recall 40Gbit/s Ethernet being promoted heavily for similar reasons
as the ones in this article, but then 100Gbit/s being the technology
that actually ended up in most places. Could this be the same thing
On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Darius Jahandarie djahanda...@gmail.com wrote:
I recall 40Gbit/s Ethernet being promoted heavily for similar reasons
as the ones in this article, but then 100Gbit/s being the technology
that actually ended up in most places. Could this be the same thing
That problem IMO will only be worse with a 4x speed multiplier over
100G what premium will anyone be willing to spend to have a single
400G pipe over 4 bonded 100G pipes?
-jim
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
On Sep 27, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Darius
If they would have rolled out 1000G networks now, I guess we will have to
plug in 17 MTP interfaces ;)
HTH,
Dan #13685 (RS/Sec/SP)
The CCIE troubleshooting blog: http://dans-net.com
Bring order to your Private VLAN network: http://marathon-networks.com
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:51 PM,
On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:26 AM, jim deleskie deles...@gmail.com wrote:
That problem IMO will only be worse with a 4x speed multiplier over
100G what premium will anyone be willing to spend to have a single
400G pipe over 4 bonded 100G pipes?
When you consider that 10GE is less than 10X the
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, jim deleskie wrote:
That problem IMO will only be worse with a 4x speed multiplier over
100G what premium will anyone be willing to spend to have a single 400G
pipe over 4 bonded 100G pipes?
I'd say most are not willing to pay any premium at all, but are willing to
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.sewrote:
I opposed 40GE, but since physics is a lot of the problem here, I think
400GE is favorable over 1TE. Already now we're sitting with platforms with
forwarding performance per slot that doesn't really match 100GE nicely,
On 27/09/2012 14:58, Darius Jahandarie wrote:
I recall 40Gbit/s Ethernet being promoted heavily for similar reasons
as the ones in this article, but then 100Gbit/s being the technology
that actually ended up in most places. Could this be the same thing
happening?
no. the IEEE working group
Guys,
on recent days I've seen an UDP attack a couple of times. The attack is fairly
simple, a full
load of UDP packets filled with X. The attacks comes from various sites from
the other side
of the pond (46.165.197.xx, 213.152.180.yy).
Has anyone seen this kind of attack? Basically, the
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:23:34AM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
I'm trying to figure out whether CERNET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERNET
is part of the official Internet, or is behind the Great Firewall where
access to invididual networks on the public Internet must be explicitly
granted.
On Sep 27, 2012, at 10:55 AM, Miguel Mata wrote:
Guys,
on recent days I've seen an UDP attack a couple of times. The attack is
fairly simple, a full
load of UDP packets filled with X. The attacks comes from various sites
from the other side
of the pond (46.165.197.xx,
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:55:58AM -0600,
Miguel Mata mm...@intercom.com.sv wrote
a message of 30 lines which said:
Guys,
No gals on NANOG?
The attacks comes from various sites from the other side of the pond
(46.165.197.xx, 213.152.180.yy).
How can you be sure? With UDP, you have zero
Are networks behind NAT/ALG or that use RFC 1918 or the v6 equivalent
address space,
part of the 'Internet' or are they in networks where access to
addresses/service ports
must be explicitly granted?
RFC4084 (Terminology for Describing Internet
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over if a hostname has
both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
I think perhaps it is time to update test-ipv6.com a bit, and have it
penalize the first number when IPv4 is used in preference. IPv4 CGN
will make
I tested today just for giggles, test-ipv6.com shows I have working ipv4
and ipv6 10/10 on both tests. Interestingly enough I was only seeing 3G on
the device at the time.
So I guess its not just on LTE or is it LTE devices ?
I'm running galaxy nexus on vz with stock jelly bean from the recent
On 9/27/12 8:52 AM, Jason Fesler wrote:
Safari on the iPad seems to be preferring A over if a hostname has
both, though. I can browse to a bracketed IPv6 address so it is working.
I think perhaps it is time to update test-ipv6.com a bit, and have it
penalize the first number when IPv4
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:34 , Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:55:58AM -0600, Miguel Mata mm...@intercom.com.sv
wrote
a message of 30 lines which said:
Guys,
No gals on NANOG?
Many. Although in fairness, some people use guys in a gender-neutral
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:34 , Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:55:58AM -0600, Miguel Mata
mm...@intercom.com.sv wrote
No gals on NANOG?
Many. Although in fairness, some people use
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:00 AM, chris wrote:
I tested today just for giggles, test-ipv6.com shows I have working ipv4
and ipv6 10/10 on both tests. Interestingly enough I was only seeing 3G on
the device at the time.
So I guess its not just on LTE or is it LTE devices ?
I'm running galaxy
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Jeroen Massar jer...@unfix.org wrote:
Everything in China is behind their content filter. Only parts of Hong
Kong are sometimes not yet. As far as it is known they do not 'allow'
things but block specific things.
All* of Hong Kong and Macau are not behind the
On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Jim Mercer wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Many. Although in fairness, some people use guys in a gender-neutral
manner.
some people use it in a globally-neutral manner.
those guys over there pointing at a rack full of
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:12:50PM -0400,
Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote
a message of 32 lines which said:
I do not know of any name servers that reply to queries with UDP
packets filled with only the letter X. The DNS Headers alone
require more than the letter X.
Yes, you're
Well the answer is Yes and No.
Content filter is not a reason you can call it non-internet.
If you think it is not internet because of content filtering, think again,
you have to exclude whole China from Internet.
The real problem CERNET is not completely part of Internet is following:
CERNET
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute for
{guys,gals}?
Owen
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote:
On Sep 27, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Jim Mercer wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore
On 27/09/12 11:10 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
Or when actually referring to persons of mixed gender, here's a quote
from something I posted in a private forum (my own journal) which is
safe for export:
Because frankly, we're all in this together and honestly everyone loves the
competition. The guys I
Here is the south we simply use y'all.
---
Brian Raaen
Network Architect
Zcorum
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/09/12 11:10 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
Or when actually referring to persons of mixed gender, here's a quote from
something I posted in a
Maybe one of the folks here there aren't laywers but likes to give legal
advice, that covers the use of male language to be for shortness in responses
and no way indicate gender bias so we can all get back to talking about network
:(
Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless
I really wish people would get over themselves and get to work. Work is
a place where things get done, not where people piss and moan about
every single perceived slight they can come up with.
Andrew
On 9/27/2012 2:10 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
Hi all
Do you have experience in 40G equipments
eg: switch and NIC?
Any brand name is reliable
Thank you so much
- Original Message -
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr
Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote
a message of 5 lines which said:
the official Internet
I wasn't aware there is an official Internet. Where is it?
The largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive
Hi there
ASR 9000 and CRS-3 as far as I am concerned. That would be in Cisco World.
There are other brands.
Take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Gigabit_Ethernet
On 09/27/2012 04:27 PM, Deric Kwok wrote:
Hi all
Do you have experience in 40G equipments
eg: switch and NIC?
- Original Message -
From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute
for {guys,gals}?
As a form of address. Hey, people is ... well, nearly abrasive. (Envision
a waitron walking up to a mixed table of 10.)
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay
On Sep 27, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote:
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:34 , Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr wrote:
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:55:58AM -0600, Miguel Mata
mm...@intercom.com.sv wrote
a message of 30 lines which said:
Guys,
No gals on
I've had good experience with Mellanox NICs for 40gbe.
--J
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi all
Do you have experience in 40G equipments
eg: switch and NIC?
Any brand name is reliable
Thank you so much
Since we all know that on the Internet the men are men, the women are men, and
the children are FBI agents, I think saying guys is OK.
-Original Message-
From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:39 PM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: guys != gender neutral
On 9/27/12 9:24 AM, ku po wrote:
CERNET policy is FREE of charge for it's members, as long as the traffic is
in their 'FREE networks' eg most of IP Blocks in China and some
Universities in the world.
However, outbound traffic to Non-free networks eg most blocks outside China
will be charged.
So say we all.
Kevin Carmical
Network Support
UCA
BBA 107
501-450-3107 deles...@gmail.com 9/27/2012 1:52 PM
Maybe one of the folks here there aren't laywers but likes to give legal
advice, that covers the use of male language to be for shortness in responses
and no way indicate gender bias
On 9/27/2012 2:47 PM, Brian Christopher Raaen wrote:
Here is the south we simply use y'all.
That's what I was thinking.
Also, btw, I disagree with that earlier comment about gender usage in
the Bible, as least in regards to the New Testament. The Greek language
of that time period is the most
y'all
youse
ye
do not use 'gals'.i've been told that is offensive here in the south
(i'm a yankee transplant)
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Kevin Carmical kev...@uca.edu wrote:
So say we all.
Kevin Carmical
Network Support
UCA
BBA 107
501-450-3107 deles...@gmail.com 9/27/2012
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/09/12 11:10 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
I really wish that english had better pronouns for this.
I really wish folks would dig a bit deeper into the thesaurus to find
appropriate words.
I find that folks is an excellent
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 02:57:36PM -0400, Andrew D Kirch wrote:
I really wish people would get over themselves and get to work.
Work is a place where things get done, not where people piss and
moan about every single perceived slight they can come up with.
Andrew
I only wish you had used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guys_and_Dolls_(film)
i -think- the term we are looking for is: Troglodyte
1:
A person considered to be reclusive, reactionary, out of date, or brutish.
/bill (top posting like a civilized human...)
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 01:28:04PM -0700, Ray Van
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
In a message written on Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:58:09AM -0400, Darius
Jahandarie wrote:
I recall 40Gbit/s Ethernet being promoted heavily for similar reasons
as the ones in this article, but then 100Gbit/s being the
This isn't a real issue. HUNGER is a real issue. WAR is a real issue.
12 year old girls being sold for $20 into SLAVERY in India is a real
issue. TERRORist attacks on embassies are real issues. Expansion of
POLICE power is a real issue. Erosion of human and civil RIGHTS are
real issues.
On 27 September 2012 11:34, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute for
{guys,gals}?
Owen
Using the word 'people' is good but I like to say 'humans'.
What's up humans?
Can I get you humans to drink?
This rarely offends anyone.
thank you for your kind words and attempts to educate. clearly these items are
critical for North American Network Operations (NANOG) and should be widely
promoted
and discussed ... But NOT, I think, here.
may i humbly suggest that there exist other, better fora for discussion of
these
On Sep 27, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Deric Kwok deric.kwok2...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all
Do you have experience in 40G equipments
eg: switch and NIC?
Infiniband or Ethernet?
Mellanox CX3 is likely your only choice today for a reliable 40Gbe.
Any brand name is reliable
Thank you so much
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, Landon Stewart wrote:
On 27 September 2012 11:34, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute for
{guys,gals}?
Owen
Using the word 'people' is good but I like to say 'humans'.
What's up humans?
Can
EEK-Wallet-EE!
- Original Message
From: Jethro R Binks jethro.bi...@strath.ac.uk
To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thu, September 27, 2012 2:23:28 PM
Subject: Re: guys != gender neutral
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012, Landon Stewart wrote:
On 27 September 2012 11:34, Owen
We may not all be guys. We may not all be gals. But we are definitely all
CLOWNS. This is a substitution that should be acceptable to all and it
really works.
Sales-clown. Yep!
Mail-clown. Yep!
Fire-clown. Yep!
Police-clown. Yep!
Congress-clown. Yep! Yep!
-Original Message-
From:
I don't know if any Y.1731 gear will do anything other than constant interval
probes. I'm also not sure what the values of randomly spaced probes would be.
As far as I know the Y.1731 performance measurement probes are intended to be
used to obtain performance data on circuits with as little
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote:
Guys seem to think that it's gender neutral. The majority of women are
used to this, but they have indicated to me that they don't believe it to
be very neutral. Using guys is not gender neutral, it's flat out implying
I have used BRIX active measurement for IP for many years, but here is a
link that describes BRIX in conjunction with ADVA for Ethernet probes.
There is an article in IEEE Communications Magazine circa 2004-2005 by ATT
researchers describing their roll your own active measurement system,
On 27 September 2012 16:08, Scott Howard sc...@doc.net.au wrote:
The Oxford English dictionary apparently disagrees with you.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/guy?region=usq=guys
(*guys*) people of either sex: * you guys want some coffee?
*
As other many words in
It's not suitable to refer to a single person of either gender.
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute for
{guys,gals}?
Owen
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:36 AM, JC Dill wrote:
It's NOT helping to equivocate guys and girls!
*shrug* Sorry you are offended. Some are, most of my friends use those terms
interchangeably. (I'm referring to friends of the female gender) Apparently
some on the east coast get offended by this, but
I believe that this section of NRPM says no.
4.3.5. Non-connected Networks
End-users not currently connected to an ISP and/or not planning to be connected
to the Internet are encouraged to use private IP address numbers reserved for
non-connected networks (see RFC 1918). When private,
I think people should get the sand out of their crack (notice that both
genders have a crack, wouldn't want to offend anyone) and quit looking
for the bogey-man behind every door. If you constantly look for things
to offend, you'll be constantly offended.
On 9/27/2012 7:36 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
I didn't think any of this should be discussed here, but I'm sick and
tired of entitled whiners griping about some word that offends them.
This still is not a real problem, and ALL of my points still apply.
Andrew
On 9/27/2012 4:59 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
thank you for
Regardless of how y'all may feel about these issues personally, like
most things regarding fellow humans The Robustness Principle definitely
applies here.
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