Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sat, 8 Dec 2012, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: It's being implied everywhere that native IPv6 is somehow important to seek, since we're running out of IPv4 addresses. Ok, so I'll give you that tunneling a really short bit, tunneling isn't too bad, but native is most of the time better.

Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Randy Bush
reliable tunnel bzzzt! oxymoron alert!!!

Possibly a little OT, has spam in theme

2012-12-09 Thread Barry Shein
What is nifty.com? Is it legitimate? The web page is in Chinese. I noticed they were trying to do a lot of connects to our mail servers but were in the block list and seem to have been for years. So I opened it up because fool that I am I like to believe people mend their ways. It instantly

Re: Possibly a little OT, has spam in theme

2012-12-09 Thread Tom Vest
Actually it's in Japanese. Nifty is one of the oldest (and at one time, largest) access services in Japan. It's owned by owned by Fujitsu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nifty_Corporation http://www.nifty.co.jp/english/ From here it looks like it's originated by AS2510, which is also Fujistsu. So

Final Reminder: Call for Presentations: NANOG 57 in Orlando, FL

2012-12-09 Thread David Temkin
NANOG Community, The North American Network Operators' Group (NANOG) will hold their 57th meeting in Orlando, FL on February 4th through the 6th. Of special note, this is the first meeting that will have a fully Monday through Wednesday agenda. Our host, CyrusOne is eagerly awaiting welcoming

RE: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Siegel, David
That's a really good point, Patrick. We've received an interesting analysis from our customers recently where they reviewed the accounting on all the services they need in order to peer off approximately 1/3rd of their total traffic. They took their national wavelength cost, local access,

Re: Possibly a little OT, has spam in theme

2012-12-09 Thread Chris Russell
Actually it's in Japanese. Nifty is one of the oldest (and at one From here it looks like it's originated by AS2510, which is also Fujistsu. So it is legitimate, even if the unwanted traffic your receiving is not. Owning and using a domain name with 1 character difference from Nifty,

Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Darius Jahandarie
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: The vast majority of AS-AS boundaries on the Internet are settlement free peering. I guess that makes the Internet a scam. As for the costs involved, free is a relative term. Most people think of peering as free

Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, Ok, so I'll give you that tunneling a really short bit, tunneling isn't too bad, but native is most of the time better. So sad that some companies mess up in such a way that their customers rather tunnel than use their native infra... :-( - Sander

Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:58 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: reliable tunnel bzzzt! oxymoron alert!!! Intellectually I want to agree with you, but after some reflection... We use lots of tunnels at my org - the IPsec variety. A quick non-scientific query of our monitoring logs reveals

Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Randy Bush
reliable tunnel bzzzt! oxymoron alert!!! We use lots of tunnels at my org - the IPsec variety. as does iij, very heavily. and it has some issues. A quick non-scientific query of our monitoring logs reveals that our tunnels are exactly as reliable as the circuits and routers which

Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012, Ryan Malayter wrote: But where are all these horrifically unreliable tunnels? 6to4 is one example. I'd say since PMTUD is too often broken on IPv4 (if the tunneling routers even react properly to PMTUD need-to-frag messages for their tunnel packets) in combination with

RE: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public whois?

2012-12-09 Thread Steve Bertrand
Ok, so I'll give you that tunneling a really short bit, tunneling isn't too bad, but native is most of the time better. So sad that some companies mess up in such a way that their customers rather tunnel than use their native infra... :-( The ISPs are unfortunately behind what the tunnel