Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Brian Kantor
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 11:24:56PM -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > The September That Never Ended was so long ago that pretty much > everybody from before that event is now well into "get off my lawn" > territory. Yes, I'm afraid we are. But I think it's more "get off my net".

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:01:20 -0800, Brian Kantor said: > Clearly, editing inclusions is a lost art. > - Brian The September That Never Ended was so long ago that pretty much everybody from before that event is now well into "get off my lawn" territory.

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Brian Kantor
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 07:02:43PM -0800, James Downs wrote: > Now if only we could get everyone to stop top-posting. The only way you'll get people to stop top-posting is to get them to stop including every d*mn message in the thread in every posting. With all that cr*p in there, any response

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Jared Mauch
Yes. It’s still a very effective anti spam technique. Sent from my iCar > On Jan 13, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > >

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread James Downs
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 06:01:24PM -0800, Seth Mattinen wrote: > That's the primary reason I am plain text only: people that think > they're being whimsical by picking fonts and colors that are hard to read. Now if only we could get everyone to stop top-posting.

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Jason Hellenthal via NANOG
HTML gets converted to text here without images unless I want them the power of knowledge and ingenuity goes a long way. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Jan 13, 2019, at 20:01, Seth

Re: plaintext email?

2019-01-13 Thread James R Cutler
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 01:50:58PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? Yes. James R. Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 1/13/19 2:49 PM, Bryce Wilson wrote: Not to name any names, but there are a few people on this list that for whatever reason use different fonts or sizes. I like having all of my text the same size because I can then use the features built into my email client to change the size as I need

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Bryce Wilson
I’m fine with HTML emails to some extent (mainly the inclusion of clickable links) but I am not a fan of formatting. Not to name any names, but there are a few people on this list that for whatever reason use different fonts or sizes. I like having all of my text the same size because I can

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Matt Hoppes
Yes Mike, All of my email clients are set to plain text only. Email is for text. Not HTML. Not incredimail. You know that :) > On Jan 13, 2019, at 14:50, Mike Hammett wrote: > > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal [Feedback Request]

2019-01-13 Thread Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
> > If you are using DNS Records to prevent downgrades anyways, then there > should be no need nor valid justification for using an extra port number; > the > client SMTP sender can be required to inspect the DNS Record and find in > the record a signal that TLS is mandatory, and the smtp client

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Christoffer Hansen
On 13/01/2019 21:11, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > Back when we were designing MIME, somebody (Vernon Schryver?) stated > that multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html was *always* > incorrect. -_- > If the two parts are semantically equal, then one is superfluous and doesn't >

Re: plaintext email?

2019-01-13 Thread Jason Hellenthal via NANOG
Haha nice troll -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Jan 13, 2019, at 14:01, Christoffer Hansen > wrote: > > > >> On 13/01/2019 20:57, Brian Kantor wrote: >> Are you trying to start

RE: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Sunday, 13 January, 2019 12:51, Mike Hammet wrote: >People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? There is another kind of e-mail? Or are you referring to Web-Pages-over-SMTP?

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:55:54 +0100, Christoffer Hansen said: > (*it is frustrating when content parity between HTML and PLAINTEXT > sections is e-mails is inconsistent. :/ ) Back when we were designing MIME, somebody (Vernon Schryver?) stated that multipart/alternative with text/plain and

Re: plaintext email?

2019-01-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Check with the contacts listed on their PeeringDB entry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Christoffer Hansen" To: br...@ampr.org, na...@ics-il.net Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday,

Re: plaintext email?

2019-01-13 Thread Christoffer Hansen
On 13/01/2019 20:57, Brian Kantor wrote: > Are you trying to start another flame war? I certainly hope to avoid this discussion currently! (back to 1) @NETFLIX: Anybody willing to listen to previous stated comment and take action on it? - Christoffer signature.asc Description:

Re: plaintext email?

2019-01-13 Thread Brian Kantor
On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 01:50:58PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? Are you trying to start another flame war? But to answer your question, yes. - Brian

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Christoffer Hansen
On 13/01/2019 20:50, Mike Hammett wrote: > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? I do most of the time. (*it is frustrating when content parity between HTML and PLAINTEXT sections is e-mails is inconsistent. :/ ) -- Christoffer

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 13:50:58 -0600, Mike Hammett said: > People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? Yes. Next question?

Re: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Mike Hammett
People use plain-text e-mail on purpose? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Christoffer Hansen" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 1:46:08 PM Subject: Fwd:

Fwd: (Netflix/GlobalConnect a/s) Scheduled Open Connect Appliance upgrade is starting

2019-01-13 Thread Christoffer Hansen
Sent to NANOG, Anyone from NETFLIX subscribed? Could you please fix the below type notification e-mails to ALSO be available if one ONLY USES PLAIN-TEXT email clients? Currently the notice information is formatted in such a way the PLAIN-TEXT section is completely EMPTY. ONLY the HTML section

Re: SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal [Feedback Request]

2019-01-13 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:23 PM Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan wrote: > I'm trying to propose two things to the Internet Standard and it's related to > SMTP. > (1) STARTTLS downgrade protection in a dead simple way > (2) SMTPS (Implicit TLS) on a new port (26). This is totally optional. A new

Re: Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-13 Thread John Levine
In article <871s5gpz1w@miraculix.mork.no> you write: >Yes. What is all the fuzz about? Email will be as dead as USENET in a >couple of years anyway. Funny, people have been saying that pretty much every year since the 1990s. What's different this time?

Re: Enough port 26 talk...

2019-01-13 Thread Bjørn Mork
Yes. What is all the fuzz about? Email will be as dead as USENET in a couple of years anyway. Welcome to the age of "feeds". You may cry now. Bjørn