Re: Question about ISP billing procedures

2019-02-27 Thread Ben Cannon
You have to zero it. -Ben > On Feb 27, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Michael Gehrmann wrote: > > From my provider days if you miss data you can't bill it or assume zero. > > Mike > > >> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 15:06, Steve Meuse wrote: >> I can say that missing samples weren’t back filled when we

Re: Question about ISP billing procedures

2019-02-27 Thread Roy
On 2/27/2019 8:31 PM, Daniel Rohan wrote: Can anyone shed light on how ISPs handle missing samples when calculating p95s for monthly billing cycles? Do they fill null samples with zeros or leave them as null?  I’m working

Re: Question about ISP billing procedures

2019-02-27 Thread Michael Gehrmann
>From my provider days if you miss data you can't bill it or assume zero. Mike On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 15:06, Steve Meuse wrote: > I can say that missing samples weren’t back filled when we billed. Never > had any complaints. > > -Steve > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:31 PM Daniel Rohan wrote:

Re: Question about ISP billing procedures

2019-02-27 Thread Steve Meuse
I can say that missing samples weren’t back filled when we billed. Never had any complaints. -Steve On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:31 PM Daniel Rohan wrote: > Can anyone shed light on how ISPs handle missing samples when calculating > p95s for monthly billing cycles? Do they fill null samples with

Re: Question about ISP billing procedures

2019-02-27 Thread Ross Tajvar
Interesting question. How often are you missing data? I'd expect that to be pretty robust. On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 10:33 PM Daniel Rohan wrote: > Can anyone shed light on how ISPs handle missing samples when calculating > p95s for monthly billing cycles? Do they fill null samples with zeros or >

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/27/19 7:02 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: I have proposed many times to just move domain WHOIS data into a new RRTYPE and let whoever owns the domain put in that whatever they want, including (and perhaps most usefully for many) just a URL for further detail. We kind of have that with RP

Question about ISP billing procedures

2019-02-27 Thread Daniel Rohan
Can anyone shed light on how ISPs handle missing samples when calculating p95s for monthly billing cycles? Do they fill null samples with zeros or leave them as null? I’m working on a billing sanity tool and want to make sure to cover my corner cases well. Thanks! Dan -- Thanks, Dan

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 28 Feb 2019, at 1:13 pm, John R. Levine wrote: > > FYI: > >> SMTP transitioned from A to MX. > > No, it didn't. A surprising number of real mail hosts only publish an A, and > I lost the battle to say that MX shouldn't fall back to . It does. You have missed the point. No one

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread bzs
I have proposed many times to just move domain WHOIS data into a new RRTYPE and let whoever owns the domain put in that whatever they want, including (and perhaps most usefully for many) just a URL for further detail. Obviously registries/registrars/ICANN can require and maintain more specific

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread John R. Levine
FYI: SMTP transitioned from A to MX. No, it didn't. A surprising number of real mail hosts only publish an A, and I lost the battle to say that MX shouldn't fall back to . It does. SPF could have been the same except people were impatient and had unrealistic expectations of how

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 28 Feb 2019, at 9:03 am, John R. Levine wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, Mark Andrews wrote: >> Agreed. Additionally it suddenly went from something being done along >> with a experiment to being “a experiment on can you transition to a new >> type”. The transition to type99 was well

Re: DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:14 AM Måns Nilsson wrote: > Calling TXT or DANE non-standard is a remarkable statement. > Wow. There's a whole lot of people who confuse "standard" with "typical". That's fairly the flaw that brought us all sorts of ossification along the way. And that's exactly fun

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread John R. Levine
On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, Mark Andrews wrote: Agreed. Additionally it suddenly went from something being done along with a experiment to being “a experiment on can you transition to a new type”. The transition to type99 was well underway. ... No, really, we had numbers. Approximately nobody was

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:28 am, Måns Nilsson wrote: > > Subject: Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS > Hijacking Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 01:07:09PM -0500 Quoting John Levine > (jo...@iecc.com): >> In article <20190227161327.ga27...@besserwisser.org> you write:

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 01:07:09PM -0500 Quoting John Levine (jo...@iecc.com): > In article <20190227161327.ga27...@besserwisser.org> you write: > >that is RFC 7208.[0] > > >[0] This document tries to

RE: [Non-DoD Source] Re: FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to Caution-www.arin.net and ARIN Online

2019-02-27 Thread Stephenson, Ryan M CIV DISA IE (USA) via NANOG
This looks amazing. Can't wait! Great job to ARIN! -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of John Curran Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 12:03 PM To: Mitcheltree, Harold B Cc: nanog list Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to Caution-www.arin.net

Re: a detour DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread John Levine
In article <20190227161327.ga27...@besserwisser.org> you write: >that is RFC 7208.[0] >[0] This document tries to deprecate RRTYPE 99 for SPF. By stating that >only TXT records can be trusted. ... This must be a very different RFC 7208 from the one that the IETF published. The IETF one says

Re: FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to www.arin.net and ARIN Online

2019-02-27 Thread Paul Ferguson
This one works: https://teamarin.net/2019/02/27/getting-ready-for-the-big-reveal/ - ferg > On Feb 27, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Mitcheltree, Harold B > wrote: > > Link fails - > ARTICLE NOT FOUN > --Pete > From: NANOG on behalf of John Curran > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:56:27 AM >

Re: FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to www.arin.net and ARIN Online

2019-02-27 Thread John Curran
Argh - my error on errant truncation. Correct link is further down the email, but also here - https://teamarin.net/2019/02/27/getting-ready-for-the-big-reveal/ /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 27 Feb 2019, at 11:59 AM, Mitcheltree, Harold B

Re: FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to www.arin.net and ARIN Online

2019-02-27 Thread Mitcheltree, Harold B
Link fails - ARTICLE NOT FOUN --Pete From: NANOG on behalf of John Curran Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:56:27 AM To: nanog list Subject: FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to www.arin.net and ARIN Online NANOGers - This weekend there will be a major

FYI - Major upgrade this weekend to www.arin.net and ARIN Online

2019-02-27 Thread John Curran
NANOGers - This weekend there will be a major upgrade to www.arin.net website and the ARIN Online system. If you routinely use these systems, you might want to read what follows for an overview of the upcoming change –

Re: DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: RE: DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:17:22AM -0500 Quoting Eric Tykwinski (eric-l...@truenet.com): > > Nah, you know, that won't happen any time soon. Mozilla is busy doing > > other, more important things, like streaming all of

RE: DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Eric Tykwinski
> Nah, you know, that won't happen any time soon. Mozilla is busy doing other, > more important things, like streaming all of the users' DNS queries to > Cloudflare, etc. The plain old security doesn't count anymore. > > -- > Töma This was sort of discussed awhile ago: Adam Langley:

Re: DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Töma Gavrichenkov
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 11:45 PM Mike via NANOG wrote: > On 2/26/2019 11:10 AM, John Levine wrote: > At one point, there was the DNSSEC/TLSA validator plug-in for browsers. > > I'd really like to see similar functionality return, not as a plug-in, > but as a part of the base browser. > Nah, you

Re: DANE, was A Deep Dive on the Recent Widespread DNS Hijacking

2019-02-27 Thread Mike via NANOG
On 2/26/2019 11:10 AM, John Levine wrote: > In article you write: >> We need to get switched over to DANE as quickly as possible, and stop >> wasting effort trying to keep the CA system alive with >> ever-hackier band-aids. > > What's the DANE version of a green-bar cert? > > At one point,