Re: Disney+ Geolocation issues

[Michael Crapse]

IPv6 is a lot more granular when it comes to geolocation data. It is also
very very unlikely that the block has been used before, and you never know
what the previous owner did or what geolocation/VPN blacklists it was added
to. Let me put it this way, this is a familiar song and dance for us, and
it never happens on ipv6 for us, always IPv4.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 10:02 PM Randy Bush  wrote:

> > IPv6 support by disney(using AWS) would obviate this issue.
>
> ok.  i give.  exactly how?  i mean technically.
>
> randy
>

Re: Disney+ Geolocation issues

[Randy Bush]

> IPv6 support by disney(using AWS) would obviate this issue.

ok.  i give.  exactly how?  i mean technically.

randy

Re: Disney+ Geolocation issues

[Michael Crapse]

I sent an email there too, I think that this should be very apparent by
now, but IPv6 support by disney(using AWS) would obviate this issue.
Imagine if a multibillion dollar company can't implement ipv6, what hope do
the smaller ones have? /s


On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 20:37, Aden Dragulescu  wrote:

> Try netad...@disneystreaming.com. Was on their whois.
>
> --
> *Aden Dragulescu*
> fiberdrop, LLC
> a...@fiberdrop.net
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:27 PM Michael Crapse 
> wrote:
>
>> There has been a continued flurry of trouble tickets from our eyeballs. I
>> did find a contact  cl...@disneystreaming.com that i have reached out to
>> in hope that they can hear our pleas.
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 16:53, Cassidy B. Larson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We're seeing the same thing.  Actually we saw it during pre-signup.
>>> Reached out to Disney+ weeks ago as well, with no response.  Now it's
>>> launched, our support lines are flooded with people unable to give Disney
>>> all their moneys.We finally got through to Disney+ support after 2.5hrs
>>> on hold to supply them the error code, IP address, and zip code.. we'll see
>>> if it's passed to the right folks.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:30 PM Michael Crapse 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Myself and a few other ISPs are having our eyeballs complain about
 disney+ saying that they're on a VPN. Does anyone have any idea, or who to
 contact regarding this issue?
 This is most likely improper geolocation databases. Anyone have an idea
 who they use?

 Mike

>>>

Re: Disney+ Geolocation issues

[Aden Dragulescu]

Try netad...@disneystreaming.com. Was on their whois.

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*Aden Dragulescu*
fiberdrop, LLC
a...@fiberdrop.net


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 10:27 PM Michael Crapse  wrote:

> There has been a continued flurry of trouble tickets from our eyeballs. I
> did find a contact  cl...@disneystreaming.com that i have reached out to
> in hope that they can hear our pleas.
>
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 16:53, Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> We're seeing the same thing.  Actually we saw it during pre-signup.
>> Reached out to Disney+ weeks ago as well, with no response.  Now it's
>> launched, our support lines are flooded with people unable to give Disney
>> all their moneys.We finally got through to Disney+ support after 2.5hrs
>> on hold to supply them the error code, IP address, and zip code.. we'll see
>> if it's passed to the right folks.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:30 PM Michael Crapse 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Myself and a few other ISPs are having our eyeballs complain about
>>> disney+ saying that they're on a VPN. Does anyone have any idea, or who to
>>> contact regarding this issue?
>>> This is most likely improper geolocation databases. Anyone have an idea
>>> who they use?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>

Re: Disney+ Geolocation issues

[Michael Crapse]

There has been a continued flurry of trouble tickets from our eyeballs. I
did find a contact  cl...@disneystreaming.com that i have reached out to in
hope that they can hear our pleas.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 16:53, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> We're seeing the same thing.  Actually we saw it during pre-signup.
> Reached out to Disney+ weeks ago as well, with no response.  Now it's
> launched, our support lines are flooded with people unable to give Disney
> all their moneys.We finally got through to Disney+ support after 2.5hrs
> on hold to supply them the error code, IP address, and zip code.. we'll see
> if it's passed to the right folks.
>
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:30 PM Michael Crapse 
> wrote:
>
>> Myself and a few other ISPs are having our eyeballs complain about
>> disney+ saying that they're on a VPN. Does anyone have any idea, or who to
>> contact regarding this issue?
>> This is most likely improper geolocation databases. Anyone have an idea
>> who they use?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:32 -0800, Matthew Petach wrote:
> My point was that Disney has a lock on much of the content kids love.

Which was, until Disney+, on Netflix.

https://www.theverge.com/2012/12/4/3727688/netflix-streaming-rights-new-disney-marvel-pixar-movies

> Netflix/HBO/AmazonPrime, not so much.

The above article (and the number of kids in my life with their
eyeballs constantly glued to TV screens) says otherwise.

> So, the new eyeballs aren't going to be from parents watching
> different
> shows, it'll be from parents watching their adult-ish stuff, while
> the kids
> are happily ensconced with Disney+.

But those little eyeballs aren't new.  They have already been watching
as much streaming as their parents would allow -- unrestricted in
probably too many cases.

> I called out Game of Thrones and Good Omens as shows that are popular
> with
> adults but that aren't terribly family friendly, so you won't be
> getting
> many 12-and-unders watching them.

No, instead they were already watching the ass-barn-load of kids
content that is on the existing streaming services.

b.



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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Matthew Petach]

My point was that Disney has a lock on much of the content kids love.

Netflix/HBO/AmazonPrime, not so much.

So, the new eyeballs aren't going to be from parents watching different
shows, it'll be from parents watching their adult-ish stuff, while the kids
are happily ensconced with Disney+.

I called out Game of Thrones and Good Omens as shows that are popular with
adults but that aren't terribly family friendly, so you won't be getting
many 12-and-unders watching them.

That's where the new eyeballs come from.

Matt


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 13:17 Mark Andrews  wrote:

> They can already stream different content to multiple devices
> simultaneously.
> All this does is make some content that wasn’t available previously now
> available.
>
> People can really only watch one thing at a time.  Net streaming of the
> last mile
> is unlikely to change much.  Just where that content is coming from may
> change.
>
> Mark
>
> > On 13 Nov 2019, at 07:53, Matthew Petach  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Different target audiences.
> >
> > Now the parents can be watching "Good Omens" or "Game of Thrones" on
> Netflix while the kids are streaming "The Lion King" on Disney+ streaming.
> Instead of the whole family watching one show together, now we have
> segmentation in the marketplace.
> >
> > End result is more total overall bandwidth consumption.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 12:38 Brian J. Murrell 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:26 -0500, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
> > >
> > > I can foresee a lot of families subscribing to Netflix *and* Disney+
> > > because neither one has all the content the family wants to watch.
> >
> > Absolutely.  But the time spent watching Disney would *replace* (not be
> > in addition to, or would it?  Would Disney's content result in existing
> > streamers watching more hours of streaming than they did before?)
> > Netflix watching.
> >
> > > Has anybody seen a significant drop in total streaming traffic due to
> > > Netflix
> > > users jumping ship to Amazon/Hulu, or are consumers just biting the
> > > bullet,
> > > coughing up the $$, and streaming more total because across the
> > > services
> > > there's more stuff they want to watch?
> >
> > I actually suspect streaming is going to decline (at least in
> > comparison to where it could have grown to) if this streaming service
> > fragmentation continues.
> >
> > I think people are going to reject the idea that they need to subscribe
> > to a dozen streaming services at $10-$20/mo. each and will be driven
> > back the good old "single source" (piracy) they used to use before 1
> > (or perhaps 2) streaming services kept them happy enough to abandon
> > piracy.
> >
> > The content providers are going to piss in their bed again due to
> > greed.  Again.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > b.
> >
>
> --
> Mark Andrews, ISC
> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
>
>
>

Disney+ Geolocation issues

[Michael Crapse]

Myself and a few other ISPs are having our eyeballs complain about
disney+ saying that they're on a VPN. Does anyone have any idea, or who to
contact regarding this issue?
This is most likely improper geolocation databases. Anyone have an idea who
they use?

Mike

Sony PlayStation Vue, was Re: Disney+ Streaming

[John Sage]

On 11/12/19 11:49 AM, Justin Krejci wrote:
I see the Disney service went live today, with some load issues 
according to various news reports and down detector. Is it well known 
where the newly released Disney+ streaming service content is sourced? 
Are they using their own servers on AS22604 or using one or more of the 
established CDNs? Or something combination or something else entirely?



As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and 
manageable price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to plan 
for any necessary augmentations to the network. I have not yet seen a 
noticeable change in traffic trends locally but I am sure during the 
evening time it is likely to be more apparent where it all comes from.



Apropos of something, Sony has announce that it's pulling the plug on 
its PlayStation Vue Internet streaming TV service via the PlayStation 
PS4 platform, effective January 30, 2020.


Might free-up some bandwidth for someone, somewhere...

Ref: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/network/vue/faq/plan-updates/


- John
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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Wayne Bouchard]

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 04:52:25PM -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 12:53 -0800, Matthew Petach wrote:
> > Different target audiences.
> 
> That are already satisfied with existing services, so no new target
> audiences.
> 
> > Now the parents can be watching "Good Omens" or "Game of Thrones" on
> > Netflix while the kids are streaming "The Lion King" on Disney+
> > streaming.
> 
> But they could watch lots of (Disney even) content on Netflix already. 
> So I still don't see an increase in consumption just because of
> Disney+.
> 
> > Instead of the whole family watching one show together, now we have
> > segmentation in the marketplace.
> 
> Disney+ doesn't change "whole family watching one show together" (or
> not -- because individuals watching their own streams is already
> possible) model from the current model.
> 
> Cheers,
> b

I agree with this. I mean, it might bring on a few new streaming
viewers but these would be those who haven't yet transitioned to
streaming video for the majority of their watching habits. So this
won't really establish a new audience but it could help siphon more
away from cable/sattelite. Its just the equivilant of a new channel
coming along. One person can only practically watch one show at a time
(maybe doesn't apply to football games...) so if there's a given
audience size, all this really does is shuffle the ratings around a
bit.

As to the "$10-20/mo for eight different services", I tend to think
that people are gonna rebel at some point and seek out some sort of a
centralized service and we'll kinda be back to where we started, with
each source getting payment for the specific program viewed. Hard to
tell, but the fragmentation thing will start to come to the forefront
before too much longer, IMO.

-Wayne


---
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w...@typo.org
Network Dude
http://www.typo.org/~web/

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 12:53 -0800, Matthew Petach wrote:
> Different target audiences.

That are already satisfied with existing services, so no new target
audiences.

> Now the parents can be watching "Good Omens" or "Game of Thrones" on
> Netflix while the kids are streaming "The Lion King" on Disney+
> streaming.

But they could watch lots of (Disney even) content on Netflix already. 
So I still don't see an increase in consumption just because of
Disney+.

> Instead of the whole family watching one show together, now we have
> segmentation in the marketplace.

Disney+ doesn't change "whole family watching one show together" (or
not -- because individuals watching their own streams is already
possible) model from the current model.

Cheers,
b



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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 08:17 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote:
> 
> People can really only watch one thing at a time.

This is my thought also.

> Net streaming of the last mile
> is unlikely to change much.  Just where that content is coming from
> may change.

Indeed.

Cheers,
b.



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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Jared Mauch]

> On Nov 12, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Mark Andrews  wrote:
> 
> People can really only watch one thing at a time.  Net streaming of the last 
> mile
> is unlikely to change much.  Just where that content is coming from may 
> change.

This is my feeling as well. It may impact people whose models assume that 20% 
of video is Netflix (or whatever service) as that ratio changes. 

- Jared 

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Tom Beecher]

>
> I guess the question is, will Disney content compel users who are not
> already streaming to start streaming?
>

Maybe, maybe not.

But what is 100% certain is that Disney knows how to make content that
people want to watch a LOT of , and Disney+ is going to be the only place
to get that content. Customers are going to go where the content they want
to watch is. That's not going to be Netflix/Amazon/Hulu, unless their
forays into original content do a major reversal.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 3:00 PM Brian J. Murrell 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 19:49 +, Justin Krejci wrote:
> >
> > As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and
> > manageable price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to
> > plan for any necessary augmentations to the network.
>
> From the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective is a new
> streaming service likely to (significantly) "add new viewers" or more
> likely to just shift existing viewers away from an existing service
> (i.e Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc.) to Disney, resulting in a net-wash
> from the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective?
>
> I guess the question is, will Disney content compel users who are not
> already streaming to start streaming?
>
> Cheers,
> b.
>
>

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Mark Andrews]

They can already stream different content to multiple devices simultaneously.
All this does is make some content that wasn’t available previously now 
available.

People can really only watch one thing at a time.  Net streaming of the last 
mile
is unlikely to change much.  Just where that content is coming from may change.

Mark

> On 13 Nov 2019, at 07:53, Matthew Petach  wrote:
> 
> 
> Different target audiences.
> 
> Now the parents can be watching "Good Omens" or "Game of Thrones" on Netflix 
> while the kids are streaming "The Lion King" on Disney+ streaming.  Instead 
> of the whole family watching one show together, now we have segmentation in 
> the marketplace.  
> 
> End result is more total overall bandwidth consumption.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 12:38 Brian J. Murrell  wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:26 -0500, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
> > 
> > I can foresee a lot of families subscribing to Netflix *and* Disney+
> > because neither one has all the content the family wants to watch.
> 
> Absolutely.  But the time spent watching Disney would *replace* (not be
> in addition to, or would it?  Would Disney's content result in existing
> streamers watching more hours of streaming than they did before?)
> Netflix watching.
> 
> > Has anybody seen a significant drop in total streaming traffic due to
> > Netflix
> > users jumping ship to Amazon/Hulu, or are consumers just biting the
> > bullet,
> > coughing up the $$, and streaming more total because across the
> > services
> > there's more stuff they want to watch?
> 
> I actually suspect streaming is going to decline (at least in
> comparison to where it could have grown to) if this streaming service
> fragmentation continues.
> 
> I think people are going to reject the idea that they need to subscribe
> to a dozen streaming services at $10-$20/mo. each and will be driven
> back the good old "single source" (piracy) they used to use before 1
> (or perhaps 2) streaming services kept them happy enough to abandon
> piracy.
> 
> The content providers are going to piss in their bed again due to
> greed.  Again.
> 
> Cheers,
> b.
> 

-- 
Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742  INTERNET: ma...@isc.org

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Blake Hudson]

Neither Good Omens nor Game of Thrones are available for streaming on 
Netflix (you'll have to go to one of their competitors). Overall I tend 
to agree with Brian that people's time and eyeballs are finite. As more 
streaming services emerge, usage will simply be split between streaming 
providers. There might be a slight increase in overall streaming usage 
due to the effect you mentioned (more content available for a wider 
audience than in previous years), but I don't expect it to be an 
overnight change for our industry.


Matthew Petach wrote on 11/12/2019 2:53 PM:


Different target audiences.

Now the parents can be watching "Good Omens" or "Game of Thrones" on 
Netflix while the kids are streaming "The Lion King" on Disney+ 
streaming.  Instead of the whole family watching one show together, 
now we have segmentation in the marketplace.


End result is more total overall bandwidth consumption.

Matt


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 12:38 Brian J. Murrell > wrote:


On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:26 -0500, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
>
> I can foresee a lot of families subscribing to Netflix *and* Disney+
> because neither one has all the content the family wants to watch.

Absolutely.  But the time spent watching Disney would *replace*
(not be
in addition to, or would it?  Would Disney's content result in
existing
streamers watching more hours of streaming than they did before?)
Netflix watching.

> Has anybody seen a significant drop in total streaming traffic
due to
> Netflix
> users jumping ship to Amazon/Hulu, or are consumers just biting the
> bullet,
> coughing up the $$, and streaming more total because across the
> services
> there's more stuff they want to watch?

I actually suspect streaming is going to decline (at least in
comparison to where it could have grown to) if this streaming service
fragmentation continues.

I think people are going to reject the idea that they need to
subscribe
to a dozen streaming services at $10-$20/mo. each and will be driven
back the good old "single source" (piracy) they used to use before 1
(or perhaps 2) streaming services kept them happy enough to abandon
piracy.

The content providers are going to piss in their bed again due to
greed.  Again.

Cheers,
b.

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Matthew Petach]

Different target audiences.

Now the parents can be watching "Good Omens" or "Game of Thrones" on
Netflix while the kids are streaming "The Lion King" on Disney+ streaming.
Instead of the whole family watching one show together, now we have
segmentation in the marketplace.

End result is more total overall bandwidth consumption.

Matt


On Tue, Nov 12, 2019, 12:38 Brian J. Murrell  wrote:

> On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:26 -0500, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
> >
> > I can foresee a lot of families subscribing to Netflix *and* Disney+
> > because neither one has all the content the family wants to watch.
>
> Absolutely.  But the time spent watching Disney would *replace* (not be
> in addition to, or would it?  Would Disney's content result in existing
> streamers watching more hours of streaming than they did before?)
> Netflix watching.
>
> > Has anybody seen a significant drop in total streaming traffic due to
> > Netflix
> > users jumping ship to Amazon/Hulu, or are consumers just biting the
> > bullet,
> > coughing up the $$, and streaming more total because across the
> > services
> > there's more stuff they want to watch?
>
> I actually suspect streaming is going to decline (at least in
> comparison to where it could have grown to) if this streaming service
> fragmentation continues.
>
> I think people are going to reject the idea that they need to subscribe
> to a dozen streaming services at $10-$20/mo. each and will be driven
> back the good old "single source" (piracy) they used to use before 1
> (or perhaps 2) streaming services kept them happy enough to abandon
> piracy.
>
> The content providers are going to piss in their bed again due to
> greed.  Again.
>
> Cheers,
> b.
>
>

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:26 -0500, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
> 
> I can foresee a lot of families subscribing to Netflix *and* Disney+
> because neither one has all the content the family wants to watch.

Absolutely.  But the time spent watching Disney would *replace* (not be
in addition to, or would it?  Would Disney's content result in existing
streamers watching more hours of streaming than they did before?)
Netflix watching.

> Has anybody seen a significant drop in total streaming traffic due to
> Netflix
> users jumping ship to Amazon/Hulu, or are consumers just biting the
> bullet,
> coughing up the $$, and streaming more total because across the
> services
> there's more stuff they want to watch?

I actually suspect streaming is going to decline (at least in
comparison to where it could have grown to) if this streaming service
fragmentation continues.

I think people are going to reject the idea that they need to subscribe
to a dozen streaming services at $10-$20/mo. each and will be driven
back the good old "single source" (piracy) they used to use before 1
(or perhaps 2) streaming services kept them happy enough to abandon
piracy.

The content providers are going to piss in their bed again due to
greed.  Again.

Cheers,
b.



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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Valdis Klētnieks]

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:58:34 -0500, "Brian J. Murrell" said:

> I guess the question is, will Disney content compel users who are not
> already streaming to start streaming?

I can foresee a lot of families subscribing to Netflix *and* Disney+
because neither one has all the content the family wants to watch.

Has anybody seen a significant drop in total streaming traffic due to Netflix
users jumping ship to Amazon/Hulu, or are consumers just biting the bullet,
coughing up the $$, and streaming more total because across the services
there's more stuff they want to watch?




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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Clayton Zekelman]

At 03:17 PM 12/11/2019, Brian J. Murrell wrote:


Fair enough, in the cases where operators are Netflix OC partners and
might see a shift in network use from a Netflic OC appliance to
external their network to other streaming services.

But for an operator who doesn't have an OC Appliances, is there likely
to be much difference?  I suppose that was the context I was thinking
in.


Sure.  You could see changes in where traffic comes from.   It may 
shift from peering to transit.



That said, I (admittedly, idly) wonder what percentage of users (world-
wide, by nation, geographical area, etc.) are served by OC Appliances.
I really have no clue as to the penetration of OC Appliances.


OCAs make a huge difference in our network.  Between the two ASs we 
operate in different regions - to the tune of maybe 40 Gbps.




--

Clayton Zekelman
Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)
3363 Tecumseh Rd. E
Windsor, Ontario
N8W 1H4

tel. 519-985-8410
fax. 519-985-8409

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 15:08 -0500, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
> Netflix has done a great job deploying OC Appliances.   A Netflix 
> user != Amazon, Hulu, etc...

Fair enough, in the cases where operators are Netflix OC partners and
might see a shift in network use from a Netflic OC appliance to
external their network to other streaming services.

But for an operator who doesn't have an OC Appliances, is there likely
to be much difference?  I suppose that was the context I was thinking
in.

That said, I (admittedly, idly) wonder what percentage of users (world-
wide, by nation, geographical area, etc.) are served by OC Appliances. 
I really have no clue as to the penetration of OC Appliances.


Cheers,
b?


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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Clayton Zekelman]

Netflix has done a great job deploying OC Appliances.   A Netflix 
user != Amazon, Hulu, etc...


At 02:58 PM 12/11/2019, Brian J. Murrell wrote:

On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 19:49 +, Justin Krejci wrote:
>
> As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and
> manageable price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to
> plan for any necessary augmentations to the network.

From the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective is a new
streaming service likely to (significantly) "add new viewers" or more
likely to just shift existing viewers away from an existing service
(i.e Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc.) to Disney, resulting in a net-wash
from the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective?

I guess the question is, will Disney content compel users who are not
already streaming to start streaming?

Cheers,
b.




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Clayton Zekelman
Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)
3363 Tecumseh Rd. E
Windsor, Ontario
N8W 1H4

tel. 519-985-8410
fax. 519-985-8409

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Michael Crapse]

They have some improper geolocation for us, would be nice to have them
input to this chain.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM Brian J. Murrell 
wrote:

> On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 19:49 +, Justin Krejci wrote:
> >
> > As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and
> > manageable price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to
> > plan for any necessary augmentations to the network.
>
> From the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective is a new
> streaming service likely to (significantly) "add new viewers" or more
> likely to just shift existing viewers away from an existing service
> (i.e Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc.) to Disney, resulting in a net-wash
> from the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective?
>
> I guess the question is, will Disney content compel users who are not
> already streaming to start streaming?
>
> Cheers,
> b.
>
>

Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Brian J. Murrell]

On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 19:49 +, Justin Krejci wrote:
> 
> As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and
> manageable price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to
> plan for any necessary augmentations to the network.

From the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective is a new
streaming service likely to (significantly) "add new viewers" or more
likely to just shift existing viewers away from an existing service
(i.e Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc.) to Disney, resulting in a net-wash
from the end-user/viewer network capacity perspective?

I guess the question is, will Disney content compel users who are not
already streaming to start streaming?

Cheers,
b.



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Re: Disney+ Streaming

[Eric Dugas]

I saw various content being served from Akamai, Amazon, Fastly and Limelight so 
far. I'm in Montreal.

Video is served from the following hosts:
vod-akc-na-central-1.media.dssott.com
vod-ftc-na-central-1.media.dssott.com
vod-ftc-na-east-1.media.dssott.com
vod-ftc-na-west-2.media.dssott.com
vod-llc-na-west-2.media.dssott.com
vod-vzc-na-east-1.media.dssott.com

On Nov 12 2019, at 2:49 pm, Justin Krejci  wrote:
> I see the Disney service went live today, with some load issues according to 
> various news reports and down detector. Is it well known where the newly 
> released Disney+ streaming service content is sourced? Are they using their 
> own servers on AS22604 or using one or more of the established CDNs? Or 
> something combination or something else entirely?
>
>
> As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and manageable 
> price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to plan for any 
> necessary augmentations to the network. I have not yet seen a noticeable 
> change in traffic trends locally but I am sure during the evening time it is 
> likely to be more apparent where it all comes from.

Disney+ Streaming

[Justin Krejci]

I see the Disney service went live today, with some load issues according to 
various news reports and down detector. Is it well known where the newly 
released Disney+ streaming service content is sourced? Are they using their own 
servers on AS22604 or using one or more of the established CDNs? Or something 
combination or something else entirely?


As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and manageable 
price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to plan for any necessary 
augmentations to the network. I have not yet seen a noticeable change in 
traffic trends locally but I am sure during the evening time it is likely to be 
more apparent where it all comes from.

How can CDN and Cloud providers effectively contribute to routing security?

[Andrei Robachevsky]

Hello,

Following up on my lightning talk at NANOG77
(https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG77/2147/20191030_Robachevsky_Lightning_Talk_Next_v1.pdf),
here is the draft MANRS action set for CDN and Cloud operators:

https://www.manrs.org/cdn-cloud-providers/cfc-draft-action-set/

Your feedback is welcome, please send it to:
manrs-cdn-cl...@elists.isoc.org

You can also provide your feedback by participating in a 5-min survey at
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/8LXV9W2

Please read the full document first - as the survey provides a very
abbreviated version of the Actions. And please provide your contact
info, so we can reach out to you for additional info, especially if you
disagree with the wording of the Actions.

Thanks,

Andrei