Re: Wikipedia drops support for old Android smartphones; mandates TLSv1.2 to read

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 at 01:40, Quan Zhou wrote: > > On 12/31/19 15:34, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > > removing support for insecure TLS protocol versions, specifically > > TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1 > > This is actually a good thing. There are many *valid technical reasons* > behind this. You should

Re: Wikipedia drops support for old Android smartphones; mandates TLSv1.2 to read

On 12/31/19 15:34, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: removing support for insecure TLS protocol versions, specifically TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1 This is actually a good thing. There are many *valid technical reasons* behind this. You should do this too.

Wikipedia drops support for old Android smartphones; mandates TLSv1.2 to read

Dear all, It came to my attention that anyone visiting en.wikipedia.org site from an "old Android smartphone", as Wikipedia puts it, will be redirected to https://en.wikipedia.org/sec-warning ( http://web.archive.org/web/20191217154700/https://en.wikipedia.org/sec-warning), which, amongst other

Re: Paging anyone from ntpd.org

Rofl -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Dec 30, 2019, at 22:33, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 12/30/19 8:22 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >> Is anyone from ntpd.org on here? You're pointing DNS

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 16:52 -0800, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > Who needs more than 640Kb of memory? > > We don't know what the future holds. This is an interesting read, > featuring 5g to perform a "hologram" phone call: > https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45009458 While I appreciate that this is

Re: Paging anyone from ntpd.org

On 12/30/19 8:22 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: Is anyone from ntpd.org on here? You're pointing DNS at me for some reason. That zone (ntpd.org) isn't in our system. Your NS looks odd too, *.darkness-reigns.net and .nl? Is that legit? I don't know what it was before because I've never looked, but

Paging anyone from ntpd.org

Is anyone from ntpd.org on here? You're pointing DNS at me for some reason. That zone (ntpd.org) isn't in our system. Your NS looks odd too, *.darkness-reigns.net and .nl? Is that legit? I don't know what it was before because I've never looked, but that seems off. ~Seth

Re: Requesting /24 from ARIN

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019, 2:33 PM Terrance Devor wrote: > That is the part I am a little confused about. Justification > One major advantage of working through a broker / auctioneer is that they can help you with this. Documentation and justification is a hidden cost. It's not hard but it is

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 4:48 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: VoWIFI from your cell phone is essentially the same thing, except your phone has to build a tunnel to the providers EPC via an SGW because of the untrusted connectivity. Yeah, I got the IPsec part right away. I guess they figure once it's in an

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

>> It'd be nice to see what benefits 5g really has for carriers and >> consumers/users... It looks, to me, like a bunch of the 5g hype is >> really: "uhm, we need to sell these carriers on the G++ ... spin up >> the hype machine about speed!" never mind the cost to deploy, range of >>

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 3:51 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > Oh good :) someone coaxed cameron out of the holiday keg :) > I can only take reading how others imagine it may work for so long > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:32 PM Ca By wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:41 PM

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

- On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Brian J. Murrell br...@interlinx.bc.ca wrote: > Who needs 25mbits to their phone? Who needs more than 640Kb of memory? We don't know what the future holds. This is an interesting read, featuring 5g to perform a "hologram" phone call:

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 4:41 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: Look up VoLTE. Yeah I did, and confirmed it's just SIP+RTP over IP.  Which is why it's so frustratingly hard to find the same simple diagram or whatever for vowifi. Mike On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:39 PM Michael Thomas >

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 4:19 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: I really don't want to go diving down the 3GPP document hole... Yeah, no kidding. It's like acronym soup. I've been trying all afternoon to figure out vowifi and am now pretty certain that it's just SIP signaling over IP. But it's been really

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=5G+NR - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Brandon Martin" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 6:19:06 PM Subject: Re: 5G roadblock:

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 6:31 PM, Ca By wrote: > is is still a physics thing. Most purest will says 5G = new radio (NR). NR > can run in any band. And, the distance is a function of the band. Tmobile is > big on 600mhz NR, Sprint is big on 2500mhz NR and VZW has 28ghz NR.  Is/are there defined standard(s)

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Oh, for sure it's driven by equipment manufacturers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Christopher Morrow" To: "Brian J. Murrell" Cc: "nanog list" Sent: Monday,

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Oh good :) someone coaxed cameron out of the holiday keg :) On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:32 PM Ca By wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:41 PM Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:11 PM Brian J. Murrell >> wrote: >> > >> > On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 3:34 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/30/19 2:46 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 12/30/19 5:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Oh, I didn't know that. Seems like it's a relatively new thing. Seems like they went to a lot of

[OFF-TOPIC detour] Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Shane Ronan > > Other 5G benefits: Beam forming, network slicing, reduced latency > > and support for UE desification, just to name a few. Mildly funny thing: I just spent ten minutes trying to figure out what "desification" was, before realising it was "densification" misspelled. Was not helped

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > > > On 12/30/19 2:46 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: > > On 12/30/19 5:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > >> Oh, I didn't know that. Seems like it's a relatively new thing. Seems > >> like they went to a lot of trouble to essentially do what voip

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:41 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:11 PM Brian J. Murrell > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane Ronan wrote: > > > > > > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want > > > or > > > need 25mbits to

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 2:46 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 12/30/19 5:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Oh, I didn't know that. Seems like it's a relatively new thing. Seems like they went to a lot of trouble to essentially do what voip does. Or maybe not? I've been poking around trying figure out what's

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 2:39 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: It'd be nice to see what benefits 5g really has for carriers and consumers/users... It looks, to me, like a bunch of the 5g hype is really: "uhm, we need to sell these carriers on the G++ ... spin up the hype machine about speed!" never mind the

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 5:42 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Oh, I didn't know that. Seems like it's a relatively new thing. Seems like they went to a lot of trouble to essentially do what voip does. Or maybe not? I've been poking around trying figure out what's going on under the hood with wifi calling, and it

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 1:35 PM, Brandon Martin wrote: On 12/30/19 4:14 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: The latency argument is what interests me. Supposedly 4G's latency and jitter are tough on voip. If that improves there is just no reason for TDM to phones which is a significant development because cell

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:11 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane Ronan wrote: > > > > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want > > or > > need 25mbits to your phone, > > Who needs 25mbits to their phone? > this is the wrong argument

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 3:24 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: If we solve the issue of endpoint identity on a connection independent of the transport, so that your video stream of the game doesn't have to stop and restart every time you shift from one access point to the next, I could definitely see wi-Fi beating

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 4:14 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: The latency argument is what interests me. Supposedly 4G's latency and jitter are tough on voip. If that improves there is just no reason for TDM to phones which is a significant development because cell phones are probably the largest deployment of

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

>> Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want >> or need 25mbits to your phone, >Who needs 25mbits to their phone? I can only talk to one party at a time, so there is no need for more than a single bearer channel worth of bandwidth. -- The fact that there's a

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

Lord willing about a tenth of what I’m using now; aka retirement. LQM3 > From: NANOG On Behalf Of > Shane Ronan > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: 5G roadblock: labor > > Again, you are looking only at today, how much bandwidth will you need in 10 > years? > > Other 5G

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 12/30/19 12:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I mean it's inevitable that 5G replaces 4G. It just comes down to the spectrum the given carrier uses that dictates speed and range. In the US, AT and Verizon are deploying in the millimeter bands. They'll do a gig at a few hundred feet. T-Mobile is

Re: power to the internet

That's exactly what Powerwalls are. In Vermont, Green Mountain Power had a deal where they bought 2000 Powerwalls and gave them to customers throughout the state. Customers could get up to two, paying only $1500 each for the installation and agreeing to let GMP manage them. GMP now has ~2.7

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

5g protocol will of course eventually replace LTE simply because it makes better use of the real asset, spectrum. 5G is just a protocol it changes dramatically depending on spectrum. -Ben > On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >  > I mean it's inevitable that 5G replaces 4G.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane Ronan wrote: > > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want > or > need 25mbits to your phone, Who needs 25mbits to their phone? > but I'd bet that now you'd have a hard time > living without it. I already live without it (by a

Re: Holiday route leak

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 12:44 PM Job Snijders wrote: > Dear all, > > On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 04:06:24PM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > If there are AS46844 folk listening around their eggnog ... it'd be > > nice if you would stop leaking prefixes: https://imgur.com/a/Js0YvP2 > > > > this

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

If you are looking at speed as the only benefit to 5G, you are missing out on many of the other benefits. And as far as WiFi goes, let me know when we have seamless national WiFi roaming and handoffs, because only at that point will it beat 5G. Shane On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 3:00 PM Mark Tinka

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

On Monday, 30 December, 2019 13:24, Matthew Petach wrote: >Unfortunately, Wi-Fi handoffs suck donkey balls compared to >cell tower handoffs when moving. It's fine when you're >stationary, but walking down the street, and shifting from >one wifi hotspot to the next, you're going to be

Re: Requesting /24 from ARIN

I did my first one back in 2015 I think. It's really not that difficult. Give me a call if you would like a general idea on what needs to be done. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 2:53 PM Terrance Devor

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Again, you are looking only at today, how much bandwidth will you need in 10 years? Other 5G benefits: Beam forming, network slicing, reduced latency and support for UE desification, just to name a few. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 3:12 PM Matt Hoppes wrote: > What are the other benefits of 5G? My

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

I mean it's inevitable that 5G replaces 4G. It just comes down to the spectrum the given carrier uses that dictates speed and range. In the US, AT and Verizon are deploying in the millimeter bands. They'll do a gig at a few hundred feet. T-Mobile is using 600 MHz, so it'll probably only do 100

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

The 95th percentile on the connection I share among four houses and a farm has a 95th percentile under 10 megs. *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Shane Ronan"

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

On 30/Dec/19 21:37, Paul Nash wrote: > This was (not quite) how bits of sub-saharan Africa got netnews in the early > days. Store-and-forward, UUCP links over dial-ups, and the occasional mag > tape couriered over. There are some on this list who can corroborate the mag tape shipping...

Re: Holiday route leak

Dear all, On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 04:06:24PM -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: > If there are AS46844 folk listening around their eggnog ... it'd be > nice if you would stop leaking prefixes: https://imgur.com/a/Js0YvP2 > > this from the current view at: https://bgp.he.net/AS15169#_graph6 > > I

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 30/Dec/19 22:24, Matthew Petach wrote: > > Unfortunately, Wi-Fi handoffs suck donkey balls compared to  > cell tower handoffs when moving.  It's fine when you're > stationary, but walking down the street, and shifting from > one wifi hotspot to the next, you're going to be dropping > and

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Unfortunately, Wi-Fi handoffs suck donkey balls compared to cell tower handoffs when moving. It's fine when you're stationary, but walking down the street, and shifting from one wifi hotspot to the next, you're going to be dropping and re-establishing connections with a new endpoint IP address

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 30/Dec/19 22:14, Shane Ronan wrote: > > Other 5G benefits: Beam forming, network slicing, reduced latency and > support for UE desification, just to name a few. And the 802.11ac in my house, office, and down by the bar struggles with this, because...? Mark.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 30/Dec/19 22:10, Shane Ronan wrote: > > And as far as WiFi goes, let me know when we have seamless national > WiFi roaming and handoffs, because only at that point will it beat 5G. You mean the kids still use their phones to actually talk? Mark.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

What are the other benefits of 5G? My 4G/LTE works when I go behind things, miles from the tower, and delivers between 5 and 20 megabits which is more than enough for anything I'm doing on a mobile device. On 12/30/19 3:10 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: If you are looking at speed as the only

Re: Hulu contact for a blacklisted IP

http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Chris Hudson" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:12:50 PM

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

Verizon has already proven in 5 cities that you can run fiber to the node and provide 1G fixed wireless service to both single and multi family homes. This reduces the fiber cost and the headache of dealing with landlords in MDU's. Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

Karl Auer writes: > I think the point about email is that it is inherently store-and- > forward, so it can relatively easily be moved off a network, stored, > moved by other means, and put back on a (possibly different) network. It's trivial to set up a mail transport between physically

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

Maybe one day we'll see Ham-SD-Radio P2P News and Files Sharing economy. :) On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 6:14 AM Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > And this is why, despite all the disdainful remarks labeling such > things as "antiquated", mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups are vastly > superior to web

RE: Requesting /24 from ARIN

Could go through Level3, or CenturyLink now I guess. We received a /24 a few weeks ago from CenturyLink without much hassle. Not sure what you're at network-wise so there may be a step in-between but it's something to look into.  Original message From: Terrance Devor Date:

Re: Requesting /24 from ARIN

Go to ARIN and request the block. We just received ours after getting on their waiting list. Took about 6 months, though. On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 9:57 AM Terrance Devor wrote: > Thank You Matt! Can we please connect directly off the list to limit the > noise? I would really appreciate a

Re: power to the internet

  Isn't that what the Tesla Power Wall's are?   I thought that was the fill measure for when the solar panels aren't generating.   I have never gotten anything, but know when you look on their site for Solar, they try and pitch the batter power walls to run your house for days if needed..

Hulu contact for a blacklisted IP

It looks like our NAT public IP has been blacklisted by Hulu. Does anyone have a contact to aid in fixing this? Chris Hudson Hudson Technology Solutions, Inc. 10319 N 2410 Rd Weatherford, OK 73096 Office: 580-772-2224 Cell: 580-774-9579

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 30/Dec/19 16:50, Shane Ronan wrote: > > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want > or need 25mbits to your phone, but I'd bet that now you'd have a hard > time living without it. Which you can certainly achieve over wi-fi without hassle. I posit that in many

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 30/Dec/19 16:40, jdambro...@gmail.com wrote: > Ultimately this will come down to market demand. I think this will largely be driven by the business case as the MNO's see it. If there is anyone complaining about 4G/LTE, please raise your hand. Mark.

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On 30/Dec/19 16:23, Matt Hoppes wrote: > We saw this with Femtocells. Why build the network when the end user will > build it with their broadband connection? My point exactly. It's sneaky and, well, genius, at the same time. > > With 5G - if I need fiber to the pole already and the pole

Re: Iran cuts 95% of Internet traffic

This was (not quite) how bits of sub-saharan Africa got netnews in the early days. Store-and-forward, UUCP links over dial-ups, and the occasional mag tape couriered over. paul > On Dec 29, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > > And this is why, despite all the disdainful

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:42 AM wrote: > > Ultimately, market demand showed that it was necessary and we had done the > right thing > developing the next speed. > In other words, this will be up to the marketing teams. $MAJOR_CELL_CARRIER will start advertising that they are the only all-5G

RE: 5G roadblock: labor

Ultimately this will come down to market demand. Having led two efforts in IEEE to develop a next speed of Ethernet - I have heard the argument about needing the next speed of Ethernet. Ultimately, market demand showed that it was necessary and we had done the right thing developing the next

Re: 5G roadblock: labor

We saw this with Femtocells. Why build the network when the end user will build it with their broadband connection? With 5G - if I need fiber to the pole already and the pole has to be within. Few hundred feet of the end user, why not just deploy fiber to the home? Do I really need a gigabit