Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 20:58:17 -0700, Matt Corallo said: > If your goal is to force companies the world over to host domestically, where > they follow local licensing regimes (yes, including censorship, as well as > data > access), it’s highly effective. You missed the point. There's a

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo via NANOG
If your goal is to force companies the world over to host domestically, where they follow local licensing regimes (yes, including censorship, as well as data access), it’s highly effective. Even better, it makes users fail to identify the difference between “google is down because it is

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 01 Apr 2020 12:47:22 -0700, Matt Corallo said: > No one suggested it isn’t censorship, you’re bating here. Not deploying > enough international capacity is absolutely a form or censorship deployed to > great avail - if international sites load too slow, you can skimp on GF >

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 4/1/20 12:47, Matt Corallo wrote: No one suggested it isn’t censorship, you’re bating here. I think you mean baiting, but perhaps not. ;-) -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV

Re: FCC grants WISPs temporary 5.9 GHz spectrum access

2020-04-01 Thread Matthew Kaufman
The cell carriers really want the federal allocation at 3300-3500, which has amateur as secondary, thus the other pending rulemaking that will kill some of my amateur-licensed links (and why I’m loathe to move out of 5900 down to 3400 just to have that band go away and the equipment worthless,

Re: FCC grants WISPs temporary 5.9 GHz spectrum access

2020-04-01 Thread Matthew Kaufman
There’s a rulemaking in process to open the same spectrum. One might imagine an extension until that resolves. This will raise the noise floor on a couple of extremely long distance links I run on the same frequencies under amateur radio rules, including one that traverses the length of the SF

Re: FCC grants WISPs temporary 5.9 GHz spectrum access

2020-04-01 Thread Dave Phelps
Perhaps I'm being cynical, but thank [deity of choice] that the cell carriers want it made available for this purpose. Reference: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-363451A1.pdf "...And it would help advance even further our leadership in next generation wireless technologies, including

Re: FCC grants WISPs temporary 5.9 GHz spectrum access

2020-04-01 Thread Benson Schliesser via NANOG
Indeed, this does seem like good news under the current situation. It's good for users, and it's nice PR for both the FCC and the WISPs. But I'm curious: What do these 33 operators anticipate after the STA expires in 60 days? Obviously their plans may need to adjust depending on the pandemic

Re: FCC grants WISPs temporary 5.9 GHz spectrum access

2020-04-01 Thread Jared Mauch
The big announcement is the 6ghz space opening up. This will be big for people doing p2p links. Sent from my iCar > On Apr 1, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: > >  > I missed this announcement last week. > > >

FCC grants WISPs temporary 5.9 GHz spectrum access

2020-04-01 Thread Sean Donelan
I missed this announcement last week. https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-grants-wisps-temporary-59-ghz-spectrum-access-rural-broadband The FCC’s Wireless Telecommunications Bureau today granted temporary spectrum access to 33 wireless Internet service providers serving 330 counties in 29

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
Thank you for your understanding and your patience and kindness to explain it to us. We really appreciate it. We will keep that in mind and won’t ask this kind of questions again. Thanks again. Pengxiong On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:59 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > I do understand that you mean well,

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Tom Beecher
I do understand that you mean well, but do realize that interconnection between the rest of the world and the networks controlled by the Chinese government is a very, very sensitive and often touchy subject. It's also generally true that networks aren't going to disclose terms of commercial

RPKI OV implementation in route-map

2020-04-01 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Mark, group, On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 03:50:23PM +0200, Mark Tinka wrote: > On 31/Mar/20 15:21, Dorian Kim wrote: > > Unfortunately we don’t have any testing done or experience with RPKI > > on XE or Classic boxes as we don’t have any deployed outside of OOB > > infrastructure. > > Cherish

Re: Pilot Fiber, Chicago Area: Impressions?

2020-04-01 Thread Shawn Ritchie
Thank you, good to hear a Chicago-specific impression of their routing and support. -- Shawn On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Josh Hoppes wrote: > Employer has been using them for transit in Chicago for a while now. > There was a case where they had a weird detour path through a router > on

Re: Backhoe season?

2020-04-01 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, at 18:56, William Herrin wrote: > Howdy, > > With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping > up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? It seems that in France there are alternatives to backhoes (fr: pelleteuse, jargon:

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
> > No one suggested it isn’t censorship, > In fact, some replies suggested it’s more commercial actions. We said it's "likely influenced by commercial decisions", we didn't say censorship is out of the question. We still think censorship is the possible cause, but we run out of methods to verify

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Ca By
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:54 PM Pengxiong Zhu wrote: > Sorry we didn’t know this is out of scope. What do you mean by baiting > questions? > This is an operator list. Not an opened research discussion. Take it off the list. We are not very familiar with the peer protocol, > Then pay an expert

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
Sorry we didn’t know this is out of scope. What do you mean by baiting questions? We are not very familiar with the peer protocol, so we don’t know what questions can be discussed here or not. We are researches, we just want to dig more to the cause of the slowdown that we observed. And we thought

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Matt Corallo
No one suggested it isn’t censorship, you’re bating here. Not deploying enough international capacity is absolutely a form or censorship deployed to great avail - if international sites load too slow, you can skimp on GF appliances! Matt > On Apr 1, 2020, at 12:26, Pengxiong Zhu wrote: > Many

Re: Sunday traffic curiosity

2020-04-01 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Apr 1, 2020, at 04:46 , Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 31/Mar/20 23:22, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> From my perspective, anyone born in this century pretty much qualifies as >> a kid at this point. Maybe even the last 3-4 years of the previous one. > > To a great extent, yes. But I'd say

Netflix Appliance offline 1/2hr ago - Netflix please contact me

2020-04-01 Thread Kaiser, Erich
Can someone contact me from Netflix ASAP our Appliance in SLC went offline and now our partner login doesn't work either. Sincerely, Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net

Re: The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Ca By
This topic is out of scope for the list. Please stop emailing these baiting questions. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:27 PM Pengxiong Zhu wrote: > Hi folks, > > We got plenty of positive responses in our last email regarding China's > slow transnational network. Many are suggesting it is likely

The Cost of Paid Peering with Chinese ISPs

2020-04-01 Thread Pengxiong Zhu
Hi folks, We got plenty of positive responses in our last email regarding China's slow transnational network. Many are suggesting it is likely influenced by commercial decisions instead of censorship. It seems like the three Chinese ISPs don't really have enough peering internationally in Asia,

Re: Cloudflare Contacts

2020-04-01 Thread Justin Paine via NANOG
Hi, I forwarded this internally -- trying to locate the right contact for you. _ *Justin Paine* Head of Trust & Safety PGP: BBAA 6BCE 3305 7FD6 6452 7115 57B6 0114 DE0B 314D 101 Townsend St., San Francisco, CA 94107 On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM John Von Essen wrote: >

Re: Sunday traffic curiosity

2020-04-01 Thread Mark Tinka
On 31/Mar/20 23:22, Owen DeLong wrote: > From my perspective, anyone born in this century pretty much qualifies as > a kid at this point. Maybe even the last 3-4 years of the previous one. To a great extent, yes. But I'd say the last 15 years have been very telling. > Turning consumers into

Re: South Africa On Lockdown - Coronavirus - Update!

2020-04-01 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:01 AM Randy Bush wrote: > > He's a network operator. From North America, on the North American > Network > > Operators mailing list. Something you are not, so please stop spouting > your > > drivel on a list that has nothing to do with you. > > this is not how we