RE: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Philip Loenneker
I'm not very clear on the laws around much of this discussion, but I've been following this with interest. I have a tongue-in-cheek question... if the documentation provided by the plaintiff to the court, and/or the court documentation including the final ruling, includes the specific URLs to

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> Is there any case law where someone has asserted a database right for a DNS > zone? German law has something to goes somewhat near it, although closer to a mandate rather than a right: https://www.denic.de/en/faqs/faqs-for-domain-holders/#code-154 Rubens

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
Mel Beckman wrote: You are confusing "illegal" and "guilty". The first party publicly transmitting illegal contents or links to the contents are guilty, which means the links themselves are illegal. But, DMCA makes some third party providers providing illegal contents or illegal links guilty

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-08 Thread John McCormac
On 09/05/2022 00:10, Ray Bellis wrote: Is there any case law where someone has asserted a database right for a DNS zone? It seems like a rather stupid thing to do. If someone asserted such a right, I would make sure not to infringe it by ensuring no entries from that database entered my

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Randy Bush
once upon a time at an ietf in ville de québec, i was out to dinner with a crew of fellow researchers all french, well one belgian. i can usually read a french menu, but was having serious problems so sought help from my dinner companions. they were struggling with the same parts i was. randy

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-08 Thread Ray Bellis
> Is there any case law where someone has asserted a database right for a DNS > zone? > It seems like a rather stupid thing to do. If someone asserted such a > right, I would make sure not to infringe it by ensuring no entries > from that database entered my DNS caches or other software. It

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Laura Smith via NANOG
--- Original Message --- On Sunday, May 8th, 2022 at 21:31, Stephen Fulton wrote: > If you are not from Canada and do not speak French I speak French, but the European one. I struggled to make myself understood because I was speaking with the "proper" accent and mannerisms (e.g.

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-08 Thread John Levine
It appears that Ray Bellis said: >> On March 27, 1991, in a case that transformed the nascent online database >> publishing industry, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that there is no >copyright protection for purely factual products such as a telephone directory >white pages. > >I wasn’t

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Stephen Fulton
I will add that card cloning is common enough in Canada that one should take precautions, particularly if just using the magnetic strip instead of tapping or chip/code. Don't hand your card to anyone to allow them to swipe either, no matter how nicely they offer. If you are not from Canada

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Laurent Dumont
As a Quebecer, I think it's my duty to say that good Poutine *is *good. There are plenty of bad poutine (like any other food) in Montreal but definitely something to try for anyone here for NANOG. For a portuguese style poutine : http://mapoulemouillee.ca/ And for something a bit more

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-08 Thread Daniel Suchy via NANOG
On 5/8/22 19:48, Warren Kumari wrote: If zone enumeration was not a real concern, NSEC3 would not exist. Ackchyually, that's only partly true — a significant amount of the driver (some would say hte large majority) behind NSEC3 was that it supports "opt-out". This was important in very

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 5/8/22 11:34, Mel Beckman wrote: Importantly, poutine is a critical infrastructure component for network administrators. I would go so far as to say that it is the only food that can serve all North American Network Operators as universal sustenance. You misspelled pizza. -- Jay

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Tom Hill
On 08/05/2022 15:28, Laura Smith via NANOG wrote: but poutine most certainly is not. A culinary abomination that deserves to be confined to the history books. It is but the refined variant of 'cheesy chips & [british] gravy' and no-one will convince me otherwise, especially at 3am following

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Mel Beckman
I’m a Minnesotan, the land of Powder Milk Biscuits, and thus an honorary Canadian. I can attest that poutine is indeed wonderful, and I would say essential to withstand the viciously cold northern winters. It originated in Quebec, and is still very popular there, and also throughout Canada.

Re: Question re prevention of enumeration with DNSSEC (NSEC3, etc.)

2022-05-08 Thread Warren Kumari
On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 08:58:51PM -0400, Amir Herzberg wrote: > > Hi NANOGers, > > I have a small question re DNSSEC `proof of non-existence' records: NSEC, > NSEC3 and the (dead?) NSEC5 proposal. > > NSEC3 was motivated as a > method

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Apr 2022

2022-05-08 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Anne Mitchell
A point of order: > The plaintiff’s won a default judgement, because the defendants didn’t show > up in court. But they could not have shown up in court, because they were > only listed as “John Does” in the lawsuit. It's actually a lawsuit against "Does 1-10 DBA Isreal.tv", so the

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Mel Beckman
Masataka, You’re incorrect about the DMCA when you say “DMCA treats ‘linking’ to illegal contents as illegal as the contents themselves”. You must knowingly link to works that clearly infringe somebody’s copyright. A link to the Israel.TV websites themselves is not to a specific work, so it’s

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Anne Mitchell
First, I have NOT read this order, however: > As the order is to those "having actual knowledge of this Default > Judgment and Permanent Injunction Order This tells me all that I need to know in terms of the scope of it. A default judgement means that the defendant never responded. That

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
Mel Beckman wrote: But the phrase "or linking to the domain" Includes hundreds, possibly thousands, of unwitting certain parties: DMCA treats "linking" to illegal contents as illegal as the contents themselves, which is why I wrote: : In addition, it seems to me that name server operators

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Mel Beckman
Masataka, But the phrase “or linking to the domain” Includes hundreds, possibly thousands, of unwitting certain parties: anyone who operates search services, or permits people to post links in discussion groups, for example, would be included. I think I am simply right. The lawsuit is

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread Laura Smith via NANOG
--- Original Message --- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 13:59, J EMail <70ford...@gmail.com> wrote: > poutine should be on this list. God no !  There are many great things about Canada and Québec but poutine most certainly is not. A culinary abomination that deserves to be confined

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
Mel Beckman wrote: The plaintiff’s won a default judgement, because the defendants didn’t show up in court. But they could not have shown up in court, because they were only listed as "John Does" in the lawsuit. Thus no defendant could have "actual knowledge" that they were sued, As the

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Jim Popovitch via NANOG
On Sun, 2022-05-08 at 12:01 +, Mel Beckman wrote: > The plaintiff’s won a default judgement, because the defendants didn’t show > up in court. But they could not have shown up in court, because they were > only listed as “John Does” in the lawsuit. Thus no defendant could have > “actual

Re: 10 Do's + Don'ts for Visiting Québec + Register Now for N85!

2022-05-08 Thread jim deleskie
Having lived in and continue to spend as much time in Montreal as I can. This list made be laugh, especially for a group where most of us do a lot of travel. Other then no right on red. Montreal like any other city. Don't be an ass and enjoy yourself. On Thu, May 5, 2022, 9:56 AM Nanog News

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Mel Beckman
The plaintiff’s won a default judgement, because the defendants didn’t show up in court. But they could not have shown up in court, because they were only listed as “John Does” in the lawsuit. Thus no defendant could have “actual knowledge” that they were sued, let alone be serviced with

Re: Court orders for blocking of streaming services

2022-05-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
John Levine wrote: I agree that the rest of the language demanding that every ISP, hosting provider, credit union, bank, and presumably nail salon and coin laundry in the US stop serving the defendants is nuts. As the order is to those "having actual knowledge of this Default Judgment and