Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

Been resisting adding to this thread... But if the assumption is that networks will always eventually totally deaggregate to the maximum, we're screwed. Routing IPv4 /32s would be nothing. The current practice of accepting /48s could swell to about 2^(48 - 3) = 2^45 = 35184372088832. What will

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

- Original Message - > From: "Sean Donelan" > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha wrote: >>> Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what >>> happened in Hawaii. >> >> For the national alert you can't.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha wrote: Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii. For the national alert you can't. That's intentional. Although for some reason my silenced phone

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

> > This > whole test was a display of poor engineering and disrespect for people's > first amendment rights. > You are certainly free to criticize the system or the implementation, but nothing about this is a First Amendment issue. Just don't. On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 7:16 PM Sabri Berisha

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

- On Oct 4, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Chris Adams c...@cmadams.net wrote: > Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: >> I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I >> remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of >> the EAS and there was supposedly no way to

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 11:21 AM Sabri Berisha wrote: > Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what > happened in Hawaii. For the national alert you can't. That's intentional. Although for some reason my silenced phone made no noise. I got the alert, it popped up

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: Ah, I didn't realize that was locally set on the device--I thought that was part of the message header in the message being sent out. Thanks for the clarification.  ^_^ Yep. That's why countries with a Prime Minister (or monarch or both) were

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:37 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: > > Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess > the > > US hasn't quite finished changing over yet. ^_^; > > (Samsung Galaxy phone) > > Yeah, Samsung is bad about

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) filtering / lack of data issue? At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the high and immediate impact warnings like tornado).

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: > I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I > remember in the last X years where there was a presidential test of > the EAS and there was supposedly no way to disable it short of > turning your device off. IIRC it is mandated that the

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Once upon a time, Grant Taylor said: > Is this by chance a Specific Area Message Encoding (S.A.M.E.) > filtering / lack of data issue? At least in my radio, I can't disable certain classes of things (the high and immediate impact warnings like tornado). I would expect the Presidential Alert

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, at 15:09, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: > > I don't know if today's test is the same thing or not, but I remember in > the last X years where there was a presidential test of the EAS and > there was supposedly no way to disable it short of turning your device off. > > My

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan > wrote: >> >> Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones >> sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Matthew Petach wrote: Well, today's alert still showed up as "Presidential Alert", so I guess the US hasn't quite finished changing over yet.  ^_^; (Samsung Galaxy phone) Yeah, Samsung is bad about releasing software updates for its older (a few months old) products.

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

I think this is what he was referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Hawaii_false_missile_alert Apparently we don't "all remember". On 10/4/2023 1:39 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote: Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Inter-agency bureaucracy. FEMA is part of Homeland Security. National Weather Service is part of the Commerce Department. Different departments of the government. Weather radios will active for a White House issued alert from the President. NOAA doesn't activate weather radios for FEMA

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 12:25 PM Sean Donelan wrote: > > Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and other mobile phones > sold in almost every country during the last 5 years. GSM standards are > global. The U.S. finally changed "presidential alert" to "national alert" > recently.

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:27 PM Collider wrote: > Congrats! LIOAWKI is a hapax legomenon in DuckDuckGo's search results! > Could you please tell me & the list what it means? > Large Internet Outages Are What Kills Income! It's a phrase that is uttered by members of the finance organization

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, nanog08 wrote: Move?  ...  :-) Off planet? All countries in the European Union, plus at least 35 other countries around the world, have or will soon implement their county-specific version of Emergency Mobile Alerts. Emergency alerts are built into all android, ios and

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On 10/4/23 1:45 PM, Aaron de Bruyn via NANOG wrote: I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. That surprises me. Did the newer alert not get bridged into the same system that NOAA radios use? Is

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On 10/4/23 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety Alerts, and Test Alerts are all off, my phone went nuts. I'm in a similar situation. Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

Based on my personal experience of getting onto the contact list of an extremely persistent Cogent sales person, mostly, I am morbidly curious what their CRM system looks like for cold and stale leads, and how often these sets of non-responsive leads get passed on to new junior salespeople. And

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

My watch and phone went off neither Streaming TV nor any of my computers displayed anything. On 10/4/23 13:38, Joe Klein wrote: Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR. Joe Klein "inveniet viam, aut faciet"^ ---

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote: Yes, I already tried rebooting several times. Perhaps a large hammer will fix it! At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency. Everytime you turn off a mobile device, it clears the cache of previous alerts. You will receive the

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

There are dozens of WEA alerts every day, 365x7 days a year. If you leave a hidden burner phone turned on the other 364 days a year, it will make a noise from something else. Software mute buttons never mute everything. Some groups use once a year events to get publicity for their causes

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Yes, I already tried rebooting several times. Perhaps a large hammer will fix it! At least I know I'll be well notified in an emergency. > On Oct 4, 2023, at 14:42, Sean Donelan wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote: >> I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times. > > Unless

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Move?  ...  :-) On 10/4/23 12:21, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Hi, This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something for ISPs and network operators. So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

I was kinda surprised that none of my NOAA weather radios went off. I sorta assumed they'd be tied into the whole "national" alert setup. Why interrupt cell phones, AM/FM radio stations, and TV stations, but exclude NOAA weather radios? -A On Sun Oct 1, 2023, 10:24 PM GMT, Sean Donelan

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Some people have to for their safety or medical health (e.g. they're hiding a burner phone from an abusive relative, or their blood pressure goes up dangerously high when jumpscared). The kinds of people who remove batteries from smoke alarms are going to unfortunately use this affordance, if

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan A. Krenzischek wrote: I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times. Unless you keep turning your phone off, alerts have a serial number. Phones check the serial number for recently received alerts. Or so Android and iOS developers claim. If you are getting duplicate

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Sabri Berisha wrote: Makes me wonder what I have to do to opt out of this. We all remember what happened in Hawaii. Do you mean the 98 people (at least) who died due to the Maui Lahaina wildfires. Seems like the same people who complain about the testing of public

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

Received it twice on the smartphone. Did not trigger the emergency weather system, nor impact stream on TV in NCR. Joe Klein "inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II, Scene 1) "*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been." -- *Wayne Gretzky "I

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

I've only gotten the alert now ...9 times. Ryan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

RE: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

My watch went off. scared the beejeebus out of me -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Sabri Berisha Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2023 2:21 PM To: Sean Donelan Cc: nanog Subject: Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC) WARNING: This message

Re: U.S. test of national alerts on Oct. 4 at 2:20pm EDT (1820 UTC)

- On Oct 1, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Hi, > This year's test of the U.S. national emergency alert includes something > for ISPs and network operators. So, this "worked". Despite me ensuring that my settings for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts, Public Safety

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

My best guess is “Life As We Know It Will Be Over”, but that’s just a guess. Owen > On Oct 2, 2023, at 17:32, Collider wrote: > > So is LAWKIWBO, which is the correct acronym mentioned downthread. > > > Le 3 octobre 2023 00:29:08 UTC, Collider a > écrit : >> Congrats! LIOAWKI is a hapax

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 03:18, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 10/4/23 09:27, Elmar K. Bins wrote: >> >> >> Justin, >> >> I'm not sure you're not confusing scope here. >> >> Everybody and their sister accept smaller blocks from their customers; we're >> all talking about the DFZ here, not

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

If you maximally disaggregate to /24, you end up with about 12M fib entries. At /25 this doubles and you double it again for every bit you move right. At /24, we are on borrowed time without walking right. Also, the CPU in most routers won’t handle the churn of a 10M prefix RIB. Owen > On

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

Problem with that theory is the ratio of collateral damage to pain inflicted. Filter or deeper cogent and they don’t feel anything themselves. Their customers _might_ miss being able to reach your customers (or you), but then it is Cogent’s customers that feel the pain the most and Cogent to a

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

This is not the outcome of internet ecosystem, this is outcome of commercialization, where money is what is all cared, not good product, ethical behavior, etc. This is also because good guys do NOT fight back strong enough. Cogent start to give you hard time? Start to filter they whole prefixes?

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

Re Mark, mark@tinka.africa (Mark Tinka) wrote: > From our customers, the most we are accepting today is a /24 and a /48. This > is for transit customers with their own AS and address space. Oh sure - I was looking at those customers who might need multihoming to their ISP, but not multihoming

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

On 10/4/23 09:27, Elmar K. Bins wrote: Justin, I'm not sure you're not confusing scope here. Everybody and their sister accept smaller blocks from their customers; we're all talking about the DFZ here, not customer routes that you aggregate. Actually, we don't. From our customers, the

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

On 10/4/23 12:11, Musa Stephen Honlue wrote: Which one is easier, 1. Convincing the tens of thousands of network operators and equipment vendors to modify configs and code to accept more specifics than /24, or Equipment vendors can already support 10 million entries in FIB. They just

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

Which one is easier, 1. Convincing the tens of thousands of network operators and equipment vendors to modify configs and code to accept more specifics than /24, or 2. Moving to IPv6 a protocol that has been here for 20+ years ??? On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 at 12:41, William Herrin wrote: > On Tue,

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 11:56 AM Justin Wilson (Lists) wrote: > I think it is going to have to happen. We have several folks on the IX and > various consulting clients who only need 3-6 Ips but have to burn a full /24 > to participate in BGP. I wrote a blog post awhile back on this topic Hi

Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of /24 ?

li...@mtin.net (Justin Wilson (Lists)) wrote: > I think it is going to have to happen. We have several folks on the IX and > various consulting clients who only need 3-6 Ips but have to burn a full /24 > to participate in BGP. I wrote a blog post awhile back on this topic >