On Nov 25, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote:
Have you tried 611 (from an ATT land-line phone)?
Many people don't have one. I haven't had one for over 12 years now, nor have
any of my employers for the last 8 years.
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to change in the immediate future, or do I need to ask for a /44?
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unnecessary.
If you thus have 5 end-sites, you should have room for 5 /48s and thus a
/47 is what you can justify.
Really? One bit can flip that many ways? ;-) I assume you mean /45, and
apparently ARIN's recommended size is /44 anyway.
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in the emptiness as compared to our
IPv4 allocations. :)
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actually use any of these,
the internal deadlocks in the architecture make it impossible for it to scale.
That Zenoss might make a better IP management tool than what it is purported
and sold to do... amuses.
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millions of data
sources, and Zenoss couldn't dream of handling that, no matter how much
hardware we threw at it.
On Dec 24, 2012, at 10:48 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
Very small shop with millions of data sources?
lol?
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote
$DAYJOB is in need of some clueful hands at a colocation in Cincinnati to
regain IPMI access to some boxes there. Colo firm has no hands of any sort. Any
clueful hands we can hire?
Respond offline, please.
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ValleyColocation we should forward it to.
Regards,
Ken Rubin
Senior Global Account Manager
Telehouse America
(T) 718-313-1221
(M) 917-829-0397
(F) 718-355-2517
ken.ru...@telehouse.com
www.telehouse.com
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staff about this, a
NOC manager frankly told me that Savvis had been stripped and reamed,
and they were just trying to stay alive long enough to sell the low-
cost carcass to another provider.
Yeah, I think that pretty much sums it up.
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to see them finally taking action. I see what you are
saying, but this isn't the case of maybe kindof bad
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On Jan 18, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Deric Kwok wrote:
Could you tell me more about routing registries?
I would like to learn it
google it, and RADB for example.
2nd questions? Are you familiar to quagga?
ls it supporting equally multipath in different bgp connections?
Yes, absolutely.
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handled 1000x ports with ~6
filters per port no problem, but yeah, real uRPF would be nice.
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PA 17055
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falls apart, Spokane has better facilities
and good LTE network support.
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, the size requirements of things the size of Worldcon limit the
choices enough that this simply can't be a bargaining point.
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can find out. However, the number of us who vote that
way are fairly small, as most attendees have other priorities like inexpensive
food options, cheaper hotel options, etc.
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will never return to San Francisco unless very unlikely changes happen.
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, but
haven't bothered to do so.
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power, and then you get back to there's
usually only one possible choice and they know it
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote:
On Sep 18, 2012, at 2:38 PM, William Herrin wrote:
IIRC when the Democatic National Convention was held in Denver in
2008, they had to strike a special deal with the venue to bring in
union labor instead of the normal
, for something that will
eventually become valueless. And actually, not reclaiming the space will make
it valueless even faster as IPv6 migration takes off.
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scenario and even if you could you'd need publicy routable space to
NAT it to, or you run into the same collisions.
I have worked at companies that have in excess of 4k private interconnections
with their clients. Unique IP space is the only way to make this work.
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assignment.
This is like claiming that we should reuse the phone numbers of people who
block their number when they call you. Yes, really, it makes just as much sense.
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to change, to
undertake a massive infrastructure upgrade so that you can get more IPv4
addresses.
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I'm renaming the thread to what the argument really is.
On Sep 19, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Cutler James R wrote:
On Sep 19, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote:
And second, have you ever worked on a private intranet that wasn't connected
to the internet through a firewall
it internally has always been legal and permitted.
Now let's avoid deliberately misunderstanding me again, alright?
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near the facility and sell to every group that uses the convention
center.
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, and with no benefit to themselves,
so that I can use their IP space! arguments. Ya huh. Right.
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on
this one :)
Can I get 12000 sessions on a single LTE tower?
Yes. Can you get 12000 sessions through any single POE gateway? ;-)
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, since I was getting modem-like speed through the network
there. I think I ended up using my phone more than their wifi :(
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to packet loss, as what you posted does not
indicate what you think it does.
Agreed. Derek should read A Practical Guide to (Correctly)
Troubleshooting with Traceroute:
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf
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this completely baseless assumption is widely held) do your part to
mix it up!
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It's not suitable to refer to a single person of either gender.
On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
When did people stop being an acceptable gender-neutral substitute for
{guys,gals}?
Owen
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 27, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com
with some
simple re-writing. Remember, it's perfectly OK to employ singular they as
well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
I completely disagree. Abusing plural words causes confusion when trying to
discuss topics and be specific about the numbers involved.
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through ~3k of these not-spams every day doesn't help us solve any
actual abuse problems.
Feedback loops will not be useful until the providers of the feedback
loops accept reports about use of the spam reporting tools, and are
willing to go fix their user behavior.
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less. Any autobot which sends false spam reports needs to be shut down.
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do the job better, not avoid doing the job at all.
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and takes action on *every* one of them.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com
wrote:
The problem is... you aren't doing the work. You aren't stopping the
offenders. That's the goal. Automation should be a tool to help
you do the
job better, not avoid doing the job at all.
On Mar 24, 2009, at 9:00
?
(note that this disagrees with my understanding of how their FIB/CEF
works so I'm curious about this)
Force10 you replace every single line card, since the entire chassis
is limited to the smallest CAM size available.
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, but it's not
too late to start. Before late than never.
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that the person in front of them has been checked
to be who they say they are. That's authentication. A Notary cannot
attest that what is on the document is valid.
A CxO signing that the request is valid is Authorization to speak for
the company. Different spectrum.
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on how you read the policy. I prefer my reading to yours ;-)
That said, if someone who likes writing these things will help me,
I'll gladly create and advance a policy demanding a real, provable
need for an IP beyond one per physical host.
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any time I deal
with any other vendor.
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On Apr 21, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com said:
Since
virtual web hosting has no technical justification for IP space, I
refuse it.
SSL and FTP are techincal justifications for an IP per site.
Absolutely. But SEO on pure virtual
On Apr 21, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Ken A wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com said:
Since virtual web hosting has no technical justification for IP
space, I refuse it.
SSL and FTP are techincal justifications for an IP per site.
Right. Also, monthly
some ISPs don't care and just give away IPs,
so customers get annoyed with us when I ask for proper justification.
Oh well ;-)
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to a particularly stupid brick wall.
And not very effective either, because anything they do to solve the
problem another way will likely create the valid need for an external
IP. These days, virtual hosting is all virtual machines, so the IP
justification is just there anyway.
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. But
these people just can't pull it off.
Likewise, every company with whom I've had to debate the topic has
failed within 18 months, so the problem pervades the organization ;-)
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.
And yes, that was FreeBSD with the old version openssl library that
shipped with 6.3.
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to be an operators list. If you
can't meet a very simple baseline guide for not being an idiot, you
should be removed from the list.
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senior geek
Silicon Valley Colocation
Support Phone: 408-400-0550
you rectified it. You also
Can you please take this to a mailing list which cares about mail
servers? I can think of nearly 50 without trying. Thanks.
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their routes with no-advertise on
them.
There are fairly good reasons to require your direct customers always
advertise their routes to you, even if you won't be readvertising
them. uRPF is one. Not paying transit both inbound and out for multi-
gig DoS attacks is my favorite. Etc.
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and advanced control plane filtering/policing.
Ah, because Cisco does either of these in hardware?
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usually done. (not possible in the
FTOS architecture)
These things are so very solid that I rarely spend any time doing
network work any more. Gigabit line-speed BCP38 makes life easier for
the abuse helpdesk too.
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the entire network.
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of these in hardware?
Yes, they do, on the s720-3B and better.
No, they don't. There are *no* *zero* providers doing line-speed uRPF
on Cisco for a reason. Stop reading, start testing.
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thought you were serious. I didn't realize you were joking.
Carry on.
*plonk*
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? The dual-cam cards have indecent amounts of storage.
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series, and lacks many features.
The old HP-CLI they used is gone, it's a full FTOS now.
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.
This is ofcourse a very important feature (more important than uRPF in
today's internet IMO) that appears to be missing in f10 gear which
is what
Paul was saying earlier.
Based on what? Other than some idea of um, we can't meet BCP38 so
lets call it unimportant?
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kept thinking that this was a serious problem that Cisco would
address quickly, but that turns out not to be the case. To this day
I've never found a network operator using uRPF on Cisco gear.
(note: network operator. it's probably fine for several-hundred-meg
enterprise sites)
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.
You and I (and any real network operator) must have different
definitions of forward at line rate.
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?
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, but nonsense statements such as these burn the blood.
Sure, yes, protecting yourself is so much more important than
protecting anyone else.
Anyone else want to stand up and join the I am an asshole club?
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is important at one instance in time... attackers change and
adapt and multimodal defense is simply good policy.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:24 AM, James Jun wrote:
Indeed... In today's internet, protecting your own box (cp-policer
even when full line
rate is directed at switch itself.
Note the not random comment. People love to use the random feature
of ixia/etc but it rarely displays actual performance in a production
network.
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, at 10:05 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
Count you which way? You seem to agree with me. Everyone should
be doing both, not discounting BCP38 because they aren't seeing an
attack right now.
No one sees attacks that BCP38 would stop?
Wow, I
On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Paul Wall wrote:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You added a third SFM3 which has no place to go in this chassis.
No, I did not. I did, however, list it as a point of reference for
a-la-carte analysis.
So $52,500 versus
On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Paul Wall wrote:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry, but nonsense statements such as these burn the blood.
Sure, yes,
protecting yourself is so much more important than protecting
anyone else.
Anyone else want
people like you I'd be a lot
happier. (and we'd all be a lot safer)
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. Everyone should be doing BCP-38. Why don't you apply
this to your network, instead of sitting around insulting people for
your incorrect assumptions about their job?
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was getting confused quite a bit.
So, we all support BCP38 and nothing really changed from the last
time we all had this discussion about why most of us don't use it.
On that you'll have to speak for yourself. We have it on every
customer port ;-)
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addresses all
bounce
3. All listed phone numbers on any netblocks we can find are invalid
Any chance that RIPE is more strigent than ARIN and would pull their
netblocks until they fix this stuff?
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to the organization. It will show
up on *all* allocations.
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get around to
within a few hours, nevermind a few months since the changes?
I mean seriously.
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within the horizon yet.
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much about it.
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On Sep 5, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Paul Wall wrote:
Jo Rhett wrote:
Note the not random comment. People love to use the random
feature of ixia/etc but it rarely displays
actual performance in a production network.
Once upon a time, vendors released products which relied on CPU-based
flow setup
On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Anton Kapela wrote:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Jo Rhett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
That's the surprising thing -- no scenario. Very basic
configuration.
Enabling uRPF and then hitting it with a few gig of non-routable
packets
consistently caused the sup
cause problems for them, I consider them a jerk. And yeah, I
feel pretty confident looking down my nose at someone like that.
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ports. Loose mode works perfectly
fine with zero drops (even on Cisco) on anything smaller than a full
feed (ie, that ISP client of yours you do BGP with)
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on your edges you aren't
implementing BCP38 now are you?
I don't care how it is deployed. That's your job ;-)
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On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
On (2008-09-11 00:50 -0700), Jo Rhett wrote:
As someone who does a lot of work talking to NOCs trying to chase
down
attack sources, I can honestly tell you that I haven't talked to a
single NOC in the last 16 months who had BCP38 on every port
On Sep 16, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Crist Clark wrote:
I want to change the nameservers for a bunch of domains
Then ask the question on a list related to DNS.
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complaints, you shut
down your spammers. Period, end of subject.
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an employee, neither an executive nor an owner, so
this took a bit of doing. But it has given me great pleasure the few
times that we made a mistake with a customer, and I got to tell the
affected parties that the abuser is now homeless ;-)
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On Sep 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
this way lies lynch mobs
shall we at least apply a vernier of civilization?
Randy, I would agree if anything less had ever been effective.
If you have a better idea, please explain to the rest of us.
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Hey!
New message, please read <http://americantrailermart.com/pocket.php?wmci3>
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as I have
witnessed it. If it is still being handled in this fashion then I see
no need for change.
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Nanog-futures@nanog.org
http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog
, everyone here understands that you want NANOG to be a all-things-
Gadi-wants-to-talk about. The rest of us prefer to keep topics
relevant to their list, and not discuss the same topic on multiple
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nevermind all. But it's more likely to work than the current I can
barely spell network and my 16-bit ethernet interface on my Redhat
linux system isn't working posts we routinely see on NANOG today.
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Very simple idea: if it hasn't been a topic in the NANOG conference,
and is unlikely to be a topic in the NANOG conference, it doesn't
belong on the mailing list.
Note: topic in the presentation room, not topic at the hotel bar ;-)
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On May 15, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote:
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 02:29, Jo Rhett jrh...@netconsonance.com
wrote:
That's funny, given that Mailman is the source of significant amounts
of backscatter.
Mailman is neither an MTA nor a MUA. Something before or after
Mailman
have time to sit and hit delete for a few hours every day
before you find a single post relevant to your job. I don't, and
neither do any of the very clueful admins who don't even try to read
Nanog once a month, like I do. So the more noise, the less clueful
content.
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to be part
of someone else's stupid thread.
If only the people who were smart enough to use Compose to start a new
thread were an overlapping set with the people whose commentary was
well-thought and clueful...
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On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Cat Okita wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Jo Rhett wrote:
Note: topic in the presentation room, not topic at the hotel bar ;-)
... which clearly means that you've missed where the real discussions
happen.
No, I made that statement because I know what gets discussed
mailing list, just like the rest of us.
The fact that you didn't choose to pay attention to it does not mean that
anyone else failed to do their job notifying you.
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