Re: DNS Reliability

2013-09-12 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/12/2013 3:25 PM, Phil Fagan wrote: Its a good point about the anycast; 99.999% should be expected. A small choice of attitude-reflecting language. I expect 100.000% I'll accept 99.999% or better. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

Re: Caution! Don't attempt the Postini to Google Apps transition

2013-09-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/8/2013 2:38 PM, Anurag Bhatia wrote: Hi Matthew Interesting experience. first into a black hole, and then bouncing with permanent failures. What you mean by permanent failures? Can you share error you saw in bounce report? RFC 2505 Anti-Spam Recommendations

Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back

2013-09-06 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/6/2013 5:23 AM, Bryan Tong wrote: That and ignoring it will only continue to affect the code/silicon arena. Social problems are always affected by who throws the biggest fit. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: We engineers built the Internet – and now we

Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back

2013-09-06 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/6/2013 8:08 AM, John Peach wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 07:46:59 -0500 Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back Who is we

Re: Exchange Point

2013-08-28 Thread Larry Sheldon
I have to ask-- On 8/28/2013 6:49 PM, Eric wrote: There's also the bug RE data center Really. Now a feature? -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio

Trivium

2013-08-19 Thread Larry Sheldon
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57598978-93/google-outage-reportedly-caused-big-drop-in-global-traffic/ How big is the Internet? Depends in whether Google is up or not? -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System

Re: Trivium

2013-08-19 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/20/2013 12:29 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: I'm curious; do people really think that the difference in material indexed between Google, Yahoo/Bing, and others is really that big? I don't mean the heuristics and algorithms used to return the results in a particularly useful order; I mean the

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-15 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/15/2013 9:05 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote: On Aug 14, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: Once you define what you mean by how bit is the Internet, I'll be happy to spout off about how big it is. :) Arbitrary definition time: A Internet host is one that can send and

Re: WaPo writes about vulnerabilities in Supermicro IPMIs

2013-08-15 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/15/2013 8:53 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: On 2013-08-15 19:00, Jay Ashworth wrote: Is anyone here stupid enough not to put the management interfaces behind a firewall/VPN? --- Pain is a great teacher... The problem is getting the one that

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/14/2013 10:31 AM, Anthony Williams wrote: One segment is the number of people on the planet with a mobile device that can connect to the Internet? Throw in laptops, workstations, servers, routers, toasters, etc and the number starts to get pretty big. The NSA will need some more hard

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/14/2013 1:29 PM, Scott Howard wrote: To paraphrase Douglas Adams... The Internet is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space! It occurred

Re: CNN broadcasting online free? Hogging my bandwidth...

2013-08-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/14/2013 8:24 PM, Zachary McGibbon wrote: I noticed my bandwidth graphs were a little out of whack tonight and after much digging through pcap files I found that my chrome tab with 'cnn.com' had a live stream of cnn playing on the right side halfway down. It seems this started around 8am

Re: questions regarding prefix hijacking

2013-08-07 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/7/2013 2:58 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 03:07:04 -0700, Paul Ferguson said: Having said that, there are quite a few documented cases of it being done intentionally, and for nefarious purposes. Do I need ECC on my brain to stop the bitrot, or was there a

Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details

2013-08-04 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/4/2013 11:13 PM, Warren Bailey wrote: I got hit the same. me too. e, me two. No clues as to what the messages were that I could see. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi

Re: SNMP DDoS: the vulnerability you might not know you have

2013-07-31 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/31/2013 4:29 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote: It works better to fix the design issues than to play whack a mole by blocking every imaginable service to your customers that responds to the public with data larger than a FIN. Like getting their providers to more proactively police their spew,

Re: AS3549 Level3/GBLX carrying routing for 10.0.0.0/8

2013-07-20 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/20/2013 11:26 PM, Yang Yu wrote: It appears AS3549 is announcing 10.0.0.0/8. I noticed it from an AS3549 customer. I wonder why people don't drop any update that contains stuff like RFC 1918 space. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

Re: File transfer speed between Hong Kong and Johannesburg, South Africa

2013-07-11 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/11/2013 10:32 AM, Clayton Zekelman wrote: It all depends on the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow, and varies if it is African or Eurpoean. In all seriousness, you need to know the speed and latency of the link before that question can be answered. At 10:04 AM 11/07/2013, Luan

Re: On topic of domains

2013-07-11 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/11/2013 11:41 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: If the definition of FQDN in some RFCs (Informational or not) always included the trailing dot, I'd be inclined to agree with you. But that's not the case, so protocol slots have been established for FQDNs that are actually domains qualified relative

Re: What to expect after a cooling failure

2013-07-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/9/2013 10:28 PM, Erik Levinson wrote: As some may know, yesterday 151 Front St suffered a cooling failure after Enwave's facilities were flooded. One of the suites that we're in recovered quickly but the other took much longer and some of our gear shutdown automatically due to overheating.

Re: .nyc - here we go...

2013-07-04 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/4/2013 8:02 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: And this was true when the v6 and DEC requirements entered the DAG? OK, I 'fess to terminal stupidity--in this contest: DEC? the DAG? Why are the people who don't follow the shitty process so full of confidence they have all the clue

Re: Ciena 6200 clue?

2013-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2013 6:30 PM, Jason Lixfeld wrote: So I've got a bunch of Ciena 6200 kit in, with some of their professional services folks onsite, helping with the initial setup. I know nothing of this kit, other than from what I'm being told, it's pretty bleeding edge, so much so that not even many

Re: .nyc - here we go...

2013-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
Makes me wonder if concern for routing table size is worrying about the right thing. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to

Re: .nyc - here we go...

2013-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2013 11:39 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: Makes me wonder if concern for routing table size is worrying about the right thing. Because obviously, the problems of scaling router memory and scaling DNS servers

Re: DNSResolvers.com will be shutdown

2013-06-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/27/2013 10:00 PM, Mark Jeftovic wrote: As per our post: http://blog.easydns.org/2013/06/27/dnsresolvers-open-resolvers-will-be-shut-down/ The DNSResolvers.com free and open public resolvers will be shut down, imminently (like tonight, if we get DDoS-ed against them again). We'll keep

Re: Fwd: [Filtering of NTP-access to swisstime.ethz.ch as of July 1st, 2013]

2013-06-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/25/2013 9:52 AM, Anthony Williams wrote: Also a Usenet posting (who still uses that, right?) to comp.protocols.time.ntp will also help get the word out. There is a fair amount of on-topic traffic of recent vintage on that froup. What is it about people that makes them free-load on

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-23 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/23/2013 9:18 PM, Glen Turner wrote: On 23/06/2013, at 1:21 PM, William Allen Simpson wrote: What security protocols are folks using to protect SONET/SDH? At what speeds? Excuse me NSA, can I have export approval for one KG-530 SDH encryptor? What are the odds :-) And how would we

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

2010-07-19 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/19/2010 17:21, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: ..in other news (that seems to have attracted little attention)... http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2010/07/73000-blogs-shu.html 73000 Internet sites where shutdown

Re: While we worry about Vyatta and Bras.....

2010-07-19 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/19/2010 17:36, Marshall Eubanks wrote: None of this is going to help configure any routers. Yeah. We gotta configure routers. Why do I keep hearing a phone ring and ring and ring?

A question for the house and the moderators (was Re: Vyatta as a BRAS)

2010-07-15 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/15/2010 11:39, Dobbins, Roland wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Provided with a counterexample where this isn't true, you simply ignore it. I've yet to see a counterexample involving a software-based edge router in a realistic testbed environment being

A question for the house and the moderators (was Re: Vyatta as a BRAS)

2010-07-15 Thread Larry Sheldon
Oops--itch trigger finger [a round of the on-going and growing tedious micturation tournament] Is this squalling fest really more operational than a conversation dealing with a disabling spam attack? Really? -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on

Re: U.S. Plans Cyber Shield for Utilities, Companies

2010-07-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/8/2010 09:59, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I think that there needs to be a balance. I think it needs to be the purview of the custodian of the facility. Not some political wonk. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom

Re: Mikrotik OC-3 Connection

2010-07-03 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/3/2010 18:32, Scott Berkman wrote: I really wouldn't use the word legacy to describe SONET and OC-3's. The word legacy is applied to any product that has actually shipped

Re: Please remove me from all mailing lists !!!

2010-07-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/2/2010 07:28, William Hamilton wrote: On 02/07/2010 13:20, Marshall Eubanks wrote: At the very bottom of each message, you will see https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog If you go there, you can unsubscribe. Regards Marshall Was it really necessary to quote the

Re: Feds disable movie piracy websites in raids

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/1/2010 00:43, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Michael Painter wrote: As randy said not too long ago, First they came for... The felons? Strangely, I am not moved to defend them. +1 According to the article, they didn't even take the physical computers

Re: Feds disable movie piracy websites in raids

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/1/2010 08:45, Franck Martin wrote: This is all political, and not suitable for nanog, but it opens a can of worms... If NANOG is truly about Operations and not just BGP knob twiddling and searches for free service, it would be well to recognize at long last that the world we operate in

Re: Finland makes broadband access a legal right

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/1/2010 18:14, Matthew Walster wrote: On 1 July 2010 23:17, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: In 1996 a certain inventor of the Internet decided that the universal service fund needed to pay for PCs in rural schools (the E-Rate program) instead of improving rural communications... As

Re: Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

2010-06-29 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/29/2010 09:17, Lamar Owen wrote: On Monday, June 28, 2010 06:50:10 pm Randy Bush wrote: you are comparing LAN to WAN, never a bright idea Even ATM years ago blurred that arbitrary line. Why does there even need to be a line between local and wide in terms of networking? As with

Re: Internet Kill Switch.

2010-06-19 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/19/2010 17:46, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote: [Tomas L. Byrnes] The issue is more that everyone who DOES have access has more than one device, and that many of those devices move around. I won't get into the NAT breaks the Internet war, but it certainly does limit the type of applications you

Re: Internet Kill Switch.

2010-06-17 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 7/17/2010 23:59, Larry Sheldon wrote: http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the-internet.html Highlights: The federal government would have “absolute power” to shut down the Internet ... figurative “kill switch” to seize control of the world wide web

Re: Internet Kill Switch.

2010-06-17 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/18/2010 00:16, Tom Wright wrote: What ever happened to this? http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3271.txt Every thing in that RFC from enabling freedom of speech to high volumes of untaxed dollars is anathema to the current administration. And yeah, that is politics and not BGP fine tuning. But

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 07:50, Owen DeLong wrote: Generally speaking, it will be treated as damage and routed around. Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing to worry about. Have a nice day. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 08:47, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:21:49 CDT, Larry Sheldon said: For example--what happens when name-service information for a part that is not shutdown comes from a part that is? It's always been a BCP good idea to have your DNS have secondaries

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
As so often happens, I forgot to note what my client picked up for a return address. This is the first of several items that I meant to send to the list. My apologies to Mr Greco. On 6/13/2010 14:17, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 6/13/2010 14:07, Joe Greco wrote: On 6/13/2010 08:47, valdis.kletni

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote: What happens? The master zone simply doesn't get updated until someone FedEx's a floppy. You know, some of us made these sorts of contingency plans long ago, back in days when the Internet actually wasn't all that reliable, and it wasn't completely

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote: How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the secondaries can no longer get updates? Mea culpa. That was suppose to say How about the case where the master zone file has beEN amputated and the secondaries can no longer get updates?

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote: Yes, but unreachability is basically only a problem for those who have failed to design and plan for it. You can engineer for unreachability. You're a lot more screwed if we start talking about government mandates and the contents of your zone. I meant

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 15:54, Joe Greco wrote: If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is shutting down its production of floppy disks by next year. Of course, the choice of floppy disk is irrelevant, and I'm guessing you know it. If your devices are more comfortable with CD-ROM

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 18:09, Brett Frankenberger wrote: On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 03:23:06PM -0500, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote: How about the case where the master zone file has be amputated and the secondaries can no longer get updates? Mea culpa. That was suppose

Re: On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/13/2010 20:21, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Paul Baran's rand paper was on survivable networks. The arpanet was not that network. I worry now if it will survive the people that operate it. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

On the control of the Internet.

2010-06-12 Thread Larry Sheldon
http://volokh.com/2010/06/13/32843/ What happens when the US shuts down part of its part? Depends on what part it shut down, of course. But what are the available boundaries for the parts in question? Will that have to change? For example--what happens when name-service information for a part

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/06/homeland-securitys-cyber-bill-would-codify-executive-emergency-powers/57946/ http://tinyurl.com/2gyezyg -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 01:11, JC Dill wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: Heck, at this point, I'd be OK with it being a regulatory issue. What entity do you see as having any possibility of effective regulatory control over the internet? Doesn't matter as long as it enables radial outbound finger pointing.

Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 01:14, Paul Ferguson wrote: To cut through the noise and non-relevant discussion, let's see if we can boil this down to a couple of issues: If I may offer a few edits and comments . 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base? 1. Should ISPs be

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 06:11, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:11 PM, JC Dill wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: Heck, at this point, I'd be OK with it being a regulatory issue. What entity do you see as having any possibility of effective regulatory control over the internet? The reason we

Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 06:14, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 To cut through the noise and non-relevant discussion, let's see if we can boil this down to a couple of issues: 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse

Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 07:39, Jorge Amodio wrote: 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base? Not sure, ISPs role is just to move packets from A to B, you need to clearly define what constitutes abuse and how much of it is considered a crime. If I call your home every

Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 07:39, Jorge Amodio wrote: 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base? Not sure, ISPs role is just to move packets from A to B, you need to clearly define what constitutes abuse and how much of it is considered a crime. If I call your home every

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 08:05, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, JC Dill jcdill.li...@gmail.com said: I'm still truly amazed that no one has sic'd a lawyer on Microsoft for creating an attractive nuisance - an operating system that is too easily hacked and used to attack innocent victims, and where

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 08:08, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Alexander Harrowell a.harrow...@gmail.com said: No, but we can and do require cars to have functional brakes and minimum tread depths, and to be tested periodically. Not in this state. You might not have the state inspection rip-off,

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 08:09, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com said: That's why at least in the US by *regulation* you must have insurance to be able to operate a car, instead of mitigating the safety issues that represents a teenager texting while driving we deal with

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 08:21, Joe Greco wrote: Your car emits lots of greenhouse gases. Just because it's /less/ doesn't change the fact that the Prius has an ICE. We have a Prius and a HiHy too. Did Godwin say anything about rand discussions degenerating to mythologies like gorebull warming? --

Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers]

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 10:58, Owen DeLong wrote: What happened to the acronyms AUP and TOS? I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm talking about an ISPs liability to third party victims, not to their customers. Acceptable Use Policy and Terms of Service AUP/TOS are between the ISP and their

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 12:17, Joe Greco wrote: What I don't want to see which you are advocating... I don't want to see the end users who do take responsibility, drive well designed vehicles with proper seat belts and safety equipment, stay in their lane, and do not cause accidents held liable for the

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 13:35, JC Dill wrote: IMHO it is impossible to regulate the internet as a whole. Exactly so. That is precisely why you don't want somebody else to attempt it. The only hope is for everybody to take personal responsibility for their little piece of it. -- Somebody should have

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 14:37, Karl Auer wrote: [good stuff] Try thinking about what *could* happen rather than what *can't* happen. Even better: Think here is what I can do. And then do it. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 15:56, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 9, 2010, at 8:26 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote: On 6/9/10 6:27 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: Going back then to a previous question, do we want more/any regulation ? Laws and regulation exist because people can't behave civilly and be expected to respect

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/9/2010 18:04, Joe Greco wrote: On 6/9/2010 14:37, Karl Auer wrote: [good stuff] Try thinking about what *could* happen rather than what *can't* happen. Even better: Think here is what I can do. And then do it. Some of us already do: Implement BCP38 Implement spam scanning for

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/8/2010 15:44, J. Oquendo wrote: Brielle Bruns wrote: Problem is, there's no financial penalties for providers who ignore abuse coming from their network. DNSbl lists work only because after a while, providers can't ignore their customer complaints and exodus when they dig deep into the

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
Lots of finger pointing. Lots of discussion about who should pay, and so forth. How about we just take responsibility for our own part. Don't malicious traffic in or out.? If it can't move, it will die. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have

Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber attackers

2010-06-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 6/8/2010 23:22, Paul Ferguson wrote: Again, you can all continue to dance around and ignore the problem chance the probability that the U.S. Government will step in and force you to do it. Pick your poison. Or the world government will (note misspelled NATO in the Subject:). --

Re: Junos Asymmetric Routing

2010-05-28 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/28/2010 07:37, Mark Hermsdorfer wrote: Having said that, If the JunOS based SRX platform does not do session tracking in the same was as the SSG platform it would seem that the most reasonable solution would be to NAT the traffic as has already been pointed out. Gonna really highlight

Re: thoughts?

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2010 06:10, Dorn Hetzel wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/05/27/internet.crunch.2012/index.html?hpt=T2 I am guessing that once the Obama Administration has taken control of this public utility, all of the problems will be resolved. I for one will be afraid to use it. -- Somebody

Re: thoughts?

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2010 06:40, Eric Van Tol wrote: In other news, I understand that the Americans have won their independence . Have we? -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb

Re: thoughts?

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2010 07:07, James Bensley wrote: Disgraceful scaremongery, CCN should be ashamed. CNN too. Does anybody take them seriously? Watch them? -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a

Re: thoughts?

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2010 07:30, Charles Bronson wrote: Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:10:54 -0400 From: Dorn Hetzel dhet...@gmail.com Subject: thoughts? To: nanog@nanog.org Message-ID: aanlktinafob1k2nxycwmh7o6ni0ffouckcdfwon0j...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Re: BT strike could affect internet and phone connections

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2010 10:48, Tim Franklin wrote: Internet and phone connections across Britain could go into meltdown as BT workers threaten their first national strike for 23 years... ‘Many business and residential phonelines could go out of action, and if broadband crashes then thousands and

Re: thoughts?

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
We are missing the point. The Administration will, as it has so ably done in the Carbon Dioxide emergency, declare the the IP layer a hazardous zone and institute taxes to make the costs skyrocket, thereby reducing usage. [Note to list nannies: I know. I had stopped. I let several beautiful

Re: Junos Asymmetric Routing

2010-05-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/27/2010 19:38, Ken Gilmour wrote: Wow, very fast responses, Thanks Larry Sheldon and Ricardo Tavares! On 27 May 2010 18:07, Ricardo Tavares curu...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if I correctly undestand you but default route its the route that the packet must follow if it do not have

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/14/2010 19:00, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 5/14/2010 16:42, Ingo Flaschberger wrote: We had a lightning strike nearby yesterday that looks to have come inside our facility via a feeder circuit that goes outdoors underground to our facility's gate. Perhaps there was a move of the earth-level

Re: POE switches and lightning

2010-05-13 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/13/2010 10:36, Caleb Tennis wrote: We had a lightning strike nearby yesterday that looks to have come inside our facility via a feeder circuit that goes outdoors underground to our facility's gate. What's interesting is that various POE switches throughout the entire building

Re: Securing the BGP or controlling it?

2010-05-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/9/2010 23:17, Scott Howard wrote: Made it to Slashdot too - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/05/10/0056228/The-Status-of-Routing-Reform-mdash-How-Fragile-is-the-Internet As usual I wouldn't recommend reading the comments unless you want your eyes to bleed... I go back a step or two--I

Re: Securing the BGP or controlling it?

2010-05-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/10/2010 15:31, Anton Kapela wrote: On May 9, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Franck Martin wrote: http://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=2327 Just how fragile is the internet? Rhetoric, much? Interestingly, the article misses interception and other non-outage potentials due to (sub) prefix

Re: Securing the BGP or controlling it?

2010-05-10 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/10/2010 17:04, Randy Bush wrote: Interestingly, the article misses interception and other non-outage potentials due to (sub) prefix hijacking. you seem to be entering the world of attacks. the AP article's point was fat fingers. Interesting. I took it as a set up of why we NEED a

Re: BGP (in)security makes the AP wire

2010-05-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/9/2010 08:32, Steven Bellovin wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/08/business/AP-US-TEC-Fragile-Internet.html It's a pretty reasonable article, too, though I don't know that I agree about the simplicity of the routing system I worry about the implications in the article

Re: BGP (in)security makes the AP wire

2010-05-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
[The wonderful New And Improved Thunderbird deleted a response and the message I was responding to--I don't know how or why--seems to have to do with the arrival of new messages.] The message I was responding-to seemed to be a rant that the reason Area Code changes are (were) a hassle was due to

Re: BGP (in)security makes the AP wire

2010-05-09 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/9/2010 12:50, Larry Sheldon wrote: [The wonderful New And Improved Thunderbird deleted a response and the message I was responding to--I don't know how or why--seems to have to do with the arrival of new messages.] The message I was responding-to seemed to be a rant that the reason Area

Re: Internationalized domain names in the root

2010-05-08 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 5/8/2010 07:36, Phil Regnauld wrote: Neil Harris (neil) writes: To fix it, the .eg / .xn--4gbrim TLD registrar needs to contact the Mozilla Foundation in order to inform the Foundation of their official IDN name allocation policy, so that the native-script URL display can then be switched

Re: [Nanog] Re: IPv6 rDNS - how will it be done?

2010-04-28 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/28/2010 02:29, Tony Finch wrote: Bloom filters work that way. I charge the time to order, index, hash the key space so that can work. I don't know what a fair distribution of that cost would be. Tony (on his iPod). Larry on his.oh, who cares? -- Somebody should have said: A

Re: comcast enterprise/carrier services

2010-04-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
Looking for a sales contact for Comcast enterprise/carrier services for there Ethernet product thanks. there as contrasted with here? I don't understand. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional

Re: [Nanog] Re: IPv6 rDNS - how will it be done?

2010-04-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/27/2010 19:50, Richard Barnes wrote: Naïve question: If you used macro expansion, wouldn't you end up providing responses for a lot of addresses that aren't in use? Maybe that's not a problem? If you get a request, you will have to respond in any case. I have a theory about data-base

Re: [Nanog] Re: IPv6 rDNS - how will it be done?

2010-04-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/27/2010 20:25, Richard Barnes wrote: off-topic IANADBExpert Interesting theory, but seems kind of wrong. Wouldn't the time to look up or fail be tied to the complexity of how the key space is populated? In any case, it seems like the time to succeed or fail will usually be about the

Re: [Nanog] Re: IPv6 rDNS - how will it be done?

2010-04-27 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/27/2010 20:28, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 4/27/2010 20:25, Richard Barnes wrote: off-topic IANADBExpert Interesting theory, but seems kind of wrong. Wouldn't the time to look up or fail be tied to the complexity of how the key space is populated? In any case, it seems like the time

Re: [Re: http://tools.ietf.org/search/draft-hain-ipv6-ulac-01]

2010-04-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/25/2010 10:17, Tony Hoyle wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 03:01, Mark Smith wrote: I'm a typical, fairly near future residential customer. I have a NAS that I have movies stored on. My ISP delegates an IPv6 prefix to me with a preferred lifetime of

DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/25/2010 15:27, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: - Dynamic addresses is a way to differentiate residential customers (who pay less) from business customers (who pay more). Which is both specious and obnoxious. It is a business choice, which you may or may not agree with. Given a choice

Re: DHCP Use (was Re: )

2010-04-25 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/25/2010 18:33, Tony Hoyle wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/2010 22:06, Larry Sheldon wrote: The whole idea that DHCP should only be used for (and is absolute proof of the status of) despised-class customers is just nuts. I've never seen DHCP used

Re: Rate of growth on IPv6 not fast enough?

2010-04-24 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/24/2010 14:07, Joel Jaeggli wrote: The patent which bears her and George Antheil's name is by no means (and about 30 years) the earliest example of this technology. Few patents are. I can't think of a one, but I suppose there must be one containing no prior art at all. Does a movie star

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-23 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/23/2010 01:50, Steve Bertrand wrote: This is a no-brainer, because I know that everyone who reads this will visit the link. All I request is an off-list message stating if you could get there or not (it won't be possible to parse my weblogs for those who can't): http://onlyv6.com

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-23 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/23/2010 02:35, Larry Sheldon wrote: From my PC at home (Cox in Omaha) I can't even get a nameserver that knows the site. I should point out that I am really stupid about v6--I don't know if I should be able to find a nameserver or not. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-23 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/23/2010 02:57, Steve Bertrand wrote: On 2010.04.23 03:39, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 4/23/2010 02:35, Larry Sheldon wrote: From my PC at home (Cox in Omaha) I can't even get a nameserver that knows the site. I should point out that I am really stupid about v6--I don't know if I should

Re: Connectivity to an IPv6-only site

2010-04-23 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 4/23/2010 03:00, Franck Martin wrote: Go get an airport express, install it get your Internet then click ipv6 enable box and that's it. Seriously! OK--I'll but that on the shopping list. (I'll also look around for something for the wired machinery as well. -- Somebody should have said:

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