RE: Todd Underwood was a little late

2010-06-18 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Todd Underwood [mailto:toddun...@gmail.com] firstly: cgn puts reachability in the hands of a single organization. with the PAP System you have a set of distributed choices about reachability: different people can assess their different tolerance to

RE: Todd Underwood was a little late

2010-06-21 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Michael Dillon [mailto:wavetos...@googlemail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:39 PM To: Lee Howard Cc: Todd Underwood; Christopher Morrow; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Todd Underwood was a little late Registered but unrouted would include space

RE: Looking for comments

2010-07-23 Thread Lee Howard
I think it's more reasonable to describe solutions for them than to rule their problem out of order. In that, you are surely correct. But frankly, having read 4.3 I have a hard time taking it seriously as an early-stage IPv6 transition mechanism. It reads to me like pie in the sky.

RE: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course

2010-07-23 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Matthew Kaufman [mailto:matt...@matthew.at] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:38 PM To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Cc: nanog list Subject: Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course Home wifi router vendors will do whatever it takes to make this work, so

RE: IPv4 Exhaustion...

2010-07-23 Thread Lee Howard
Your subpoena is overly broad. Go back and specify port number and timestamp. And read draft-ford-shared-addressing-issues-02, section 10. RIAA should be IPv6 activists. Lee -Original Message- From: Positively Optimistic [mailto:positivelyoptimis...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July

RE: Lightly used IP addresses

2010-08-16 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:13 PM To: Kevin Loch Cc: North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re: Lightly used IP addresses the fracking rirs, in the name of marla and and lee, actually went to the ietf last

RE: IPv6 rDNS

2010-11-01 Thread Lee Howard
Since there's a thread here, I'll mention rDNS for residential users. I'm not sure there's consensus about whether forward and reverse ought to match (how strong a should is that?). I know you can't populate every potential record in a reverse zone, as in IPv4. You can generate records on the

RE: AltDB?

2011-01-08 Thread Lee Howard
example, considering that arin is managing a public resource for the community, why are bot meetings not streamed a la cspan? Having watched Congress on CSPAN, and heard reports about open ICANN Board meetings, it looks to me like making deliberative meetings public means nothing substantive

RE: AltDB?

2011-01-08 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: David Conrad [mailto:d...@virtualized.org] The definition of what comes under the public policy mailing list umbrella has always been a bit confusing to me. Too bad something like the APNIC SIGs and RIPE Working Groups don't really exist in the ARIN

RE: arin and ops fora (was Re: AltDB?)

2011-01-09 Thread Lee Howard
On Jan 8, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Lee Howard wrote: I think that's a bit of what we've been trying to do with the Best Current Operational Practices BoFs. We need a place where operators can discuss and document BCOPs. While I think BCOPs (and BCOP BoFs) are a great idea, I guess the question

RE: What's the current state of major access networks in North America ipv6 delivery status?

2011-01-28 Thread Lee Howard
the devices in our customers' homes support IPv6. Lee Howard

RE: quietly....

2011-02-01 Thread Lee Howard
People won't be able to access our site sure helps but being unable to put a date on it still reduces incentive (especially when Management get involved, and especially if there is a financial outlay involving firewalls etc.). Geoff generously provided a probabilistic sense for RIR runout:

RE: Post-Exhaustion-phase punishment for early adopters

2011-02-06 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com] The most important thing to ensure usage is recognized is that the entire address space is announced plus routed, I don't speak on behalf of a community, but in the past there have been people reminding the ARIN

RE: quietly....

2011-02-06 Thread Lee Howard
The end-to-end model is about If my packet is permitted by policy and delivered to the remote host, I expect it to arrive as sent, without unexpected modifications. Well, it's about communications integrity being the responsibility of the endpoint. It is therefore expected that the network not

RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-12 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Geert Bosch [mailto:bo...@adacore.com] Honestly, I can't quite see the big deal for home users. I'm using an Apple Airport Extreme, and setting it up with a IPv6 tunnel from $150? That's a high-powered device compared to most home gateways. HE was quite

RE: IPv6 is on the marketers radar

2011-02-13 Thread Lee Howard
From: Geert Bosch [mailto:bo...@adacore.com] Basically, it should not have to cost anything extra to set up new users for IPv6. The same hardware that handles IPv4 today can be programmed to do IPv6. That is not the case for a significant number of home gateways and other consumer

RE: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration

2012-11-27 Thread Lee Howard
The better question, for an isp, is what kind of ipv4 secondary market budget do you have? How hot is your cgn running? Like ALGs much ? Security and attribute much ? These are important, yes. Again , users dont care or know about v4 or v6. This is purely a network operator and app

RE: Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration

2012-11-27 Thread Lee Howard
From: Dobbins, Roland [mailto:rdobb...@arbor.net] On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:37 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: If you don't think that the need to sustain the growth in the number of devices attached to the network (never mind the number of things causing that rate to accelerate[1]) makes IPv6

RE: Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications....

2012-11-28 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] That won't help. Think about it this way. A session state log entry is roughly 512 bytes. [math redacted] you're still looking at roughly 85 Petabytes of storage required to meet CALEA standards. I've done my share of

PTRs for IPv6 (was Re: [SHAME] Spam Rats)

2013-01-10 Thread Lee Howard
RE: PTRs for IPv6, see http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-05 I've had many excellent suggestions for updates to it, which I intend to treat in the next couple of weeks. I don¹t cover PTRs for servers, because I don't see a scalability problem. However, I don't think I understand

Re: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6

2013-01-17 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/17/13 9:54 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:06 AM, . oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: The people on this list have a influence in how the Internet run, hope somebody smart can figure how we can avoid going there, because there is frustrating and unfun.

Re: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6

2013-01-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/17/13 6:21 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 1/17/13 9:54 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:06 AM, . oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: The people on this list have a influence in how

Re: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6

2013-01-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/18/13 9:03 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Constantine A. Murenin muren...@gmail.com wrote: IPv6 is obviously the solution, but I think CGN poses more technological and legal problems for the carriers as opposed to their clients or the

Re: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6

2013-01-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/18/13 12:48 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Lee Howard wrote: You are welcome to deploy it if you choose to. Part of the reason I'm arguing against it is that if everyone deploys it, then everyone has to deploy it. If it is seen as an alternative to IPv6 by some, then others

Re: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6

2013-01-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/18/13 1:03 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Lee Howard wrote: If an ISP is so close to running out of addresses that they need CGN, let's say they have 1 year of addresses remaining. Given how many ports apps use, recommendations are running to 10:1 user:address (but I could

Re: It's the end of the world as we know it -- REM

2013-04-24 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/23/13 7:44 PM, Geoff Huston g...@apnic.net wrote: On 24/04/2013, at 8:10 AM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper:

Re: It's the end of the world as we know it -- REM

2013-04-24 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/24/13 10:18 AM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote: * Tore On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Tore Anderson t...@fud.no wrote: * Andrew Latham I have sadly witnessed a growing number of businesses with /24s moving to colocation/aws networks and not giving up their unused network

Re: It's the end of the world as we know it -- REM

2013-04-24 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/24/13 2:45 PM, ML m...@kenweb.org wrote: On 4/23/2013 5:41 PM, Valdis Kletnieks wrote: I didn't see any mention of this Tony Hain paper: http://tndh.net/~tony/ietf/ARIN-runout-projection.pdf tl;dr: ARIN predicted to run out of IP space to allocate in August this year. Are you ready?

Re: It's the end of the world as we know it -- REM

2013-04-26 Thread Lee Howard
to encourage people to push on the content providers to deploy IPv6 to avoid the need for eyeball networks to pony up all these bizarre hacks. Lee Howard has some rather interesting research showing that for eyeball networks, the most cost effective thing up to about (IIRC) $15/address is to simply

Re: It's the end of the world as we know it -- REM

2013-04-29 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/29/13 1:03 AM, Jérôme Nicolle jer...@ceriz.fr wrote: Le 24/04/2013 07:46, Tore Anderson a écrit : Trying to reclaim and redistribute unused space would be a tremendous waste of effort. It is necessary to keep an acceptable churn and still allocate small blocks to newcomers, merely to

RE: Hijacked Blocks

2009-09-14 Thread Lee Howard
If this is the case one could argue that ARIN should be reserving this worthless address space to be used when they receive similar requests in the future. There's no reason personX should get fresh, clean address space when they make additional requests. That implies some process

RE: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation, replaced by registered use

2009-09-14 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Douglas Otis [mailto:do...@mail-abuse.org] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:41 PM To: joel jaeggli Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation, replaced by registered use On 9/13/09 12:49 PM, joel jaeggli wrote: Frank Bulk

RE: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients

2009-10-05 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:04 PM To: Peter Beckman Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for botted clients On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Peter Beckman

RE: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-06 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: William Herrin [mailto:herrin-na...@dirtside.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 12:58 PM To: Brian Johnson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ISP customer assignments /60 - the smallest amount you should allocate to a downstream customer with more than one

RE: ISP customer assignments

2009-10-06 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: robert.e.vanor...@frb.gov [mailto:robert.e.vanor...@frb.gov] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:41 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ISP customer assignments Organizations will be provided /48s or smaller, but given the current issues with routing /48's

NAT444 vs IPv6 (was RE: legacy /8)

2010-04-07 Thread Lee Howard
Nobody promised you a free lunch. In any case, the investment required to turn up IPv6 support is a lot less than the cost of carrier grade NAT. And the running costs of IPv6 are also lower, Can you provide pointers to these analyses? Any evidence-backed data showing how CGN is more

RE: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-07 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Gary E. Miller [mailto:g...@rellim.com] From: https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html#waivers The annual fee will be $100 USD until 2013, at which time ARIN's Board of Trustees may choose to raise the fee. Right. That's for legacy space. The Board was

RE: ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

2010-04-08 Thread Lee Howard
-Original Message- From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net] It seems like you could run an RIR more cheaply by simply handing out the space fairly liberally, which would have the added benefit of encouraging v6 adoption. The lack of a need for onerous contractual clauses as

Re: comcast ipv6 PTR

2013-10-14 Thread Lee Howard
On 10/10/13 1:09 AM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: On October 9, 2013 at 20:18 c...@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) wrote: Once upon a time, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com said: It's very useful for blocking spammers and other miscreants -- no reason at all to accept SMTP connections

Re: Reverse DNS RFCs and Recommendations

2013-11-05 Thread Lee Howard
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-andrews-dnsop-pd-reverse-00 It would be great to have this conversation in the IETF Homenet WG, as well as DNSops. This would solve the gaps I identified. Not sure why I, as an ISP, would spend money on this. Lee

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 11/18/13 3:06 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: It's looking more and more like NAT64 will be in our future. One of the valid concerns for NAT64 - much like NAT44 - is being able to determine the identity of a given user through the NAT at a given point in time. Bulk

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-20 Thread Lee Howard
Leaving out stuff . . . On 11/19/13 6:53 PM, Ian Smith i.sm...@f5.com wrote: There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all of 500 of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, Do you have a data source for that? I see no indication of IPv6 listeners on 85% of the top sites.

Re: NAT64 and matching identities

2013-11-20 Thread Lee Howard
On 11/20/13 4:30 PM, Gary E. Miller g...@rellim.com wrote: Yo Lee! On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 16:14:47 -0500 Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: There is obviously a long tail of ip4 destinations, but nearly all of 500 of the Alexa global 500 have ip6 listeners, Do you have a data source

Re: ddos attacks

2013-12-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/18/13 8:03 PM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:12:28 -0800, cb.list6 said: I am strongly considering having my upstreams to simply rate limit ipv4 UDP. It is the simplest solution that is proactive. What

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-20 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/20/13 7:36 AM, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com wrote: From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] I'm almost afraid to ask about the phrase add-default-route=yes in the dhcp-client configuration. That seems wrong on the face of it since you should be getting your routing information

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-20 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/20/13 8:07 AM, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com wrote: Parity isn't enough information; what features are missing? RA is part of IPv6, but you don't have to use SLAAC. I'd say it's the DHC people who need to hear it, not the IPv6 people, but YMMV. I have a question. Why does DHCP

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-30 Thread Lee Howard
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com Date: Saturday, December 21, 2013 10:55 PM To: Lee Howard l...@asgard.org Cc: Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com, m...@kenweb.org m...@kenweb.org, nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org So there's an interesting question. You

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-30 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/30/13 11:19 AM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote: On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: Why? You say, The protocol suite doesn't meet my needs; I need default gateway in DHCPv6. So the IETF WG must change for you to deploy IPv6. Why? Why must the people

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-30 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/30/13 1:04 PM, Ryan Harden harde...@uchicago.edu wrote: On Dec 24, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: default route information via DHCPv6. That's what I'm still waiting for. Why? You say, The protocol suite doesn't meet my needs; I need default gateway in DHCPv6

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-30 Thread Lee Howard
On 12/30/13 2:20 PM, Ryan Harden harde...@uchicago.edu wrote: On Dec 30, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: 'Rewrite all of your tools and change your long standing business practices¹ is a very large barrier to entry to IPv6. If adding gateway as an optional field

Re: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-30 Thread Lee Howard
I'm not really an advocate for or against DHCP or RAs. I really just want to understand what feature is missing. From: Blake Dunlap iki...@gmail.com Date: Monday, December 30, 2013 3:19 PM To: Ryan Harden harde...@uchicago.edu Cc: Lee Howard l...@asgard.org, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com

Re: Verizon FIOS IPv6?

2014-01-08 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/8/14 9:34 AM, Brian Henson marin...@gmail.com wrote: The only major ISP that I seen so far that has rolled out is Comcast. Been probing the TW Cable people for months to see what their plans are for IPv6 in Ohio and all I have gotten is a million different stories. TWC Ohio (residential

Re: Updated ARIN allocation information

2014-02-04 Thread Lee Howard
On 1/29/14 5:01 PM, Leslie Nobile lesl...@arin.net wrote: ARIN would like to share two items of information that may be of interest to the community. First, ARIN has recently begun to issue address space from its last contiguous /8, 104.0.0.0 /8. The minimum allocation size for this /8 will

Re: misunderstanding scale

2014-03-24 Thread Lee Howard
On 3/24/14 1:37 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Joe Greco jgr...@ns.sol.net wrote: I say this with the utmost respect, but you must understand the principle of defense in depth in order to make competent security decisions for your organization.

Re: misunderstanding scale

2014-03-25 Thread Lee Howard
On 3/24/14 2:38 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 3/24/14 1:37 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: That would be one of those details on which smart people disagree. In this case, I think you're wrong. Modern NAT

Re: IPv6 Security [Was: Re: misunderstanding scale]

2014-03-25 Thread Lee Howard
On 3/24/14 10:17 PM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com wrote: I can easily answer that one as a holder of v4 space at a commercial entity. The end user does not feel any compelling reason to move to ipv6 if they have enough v4 space. I can't give my employer a solid business case of why

Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)

2014-03-25 Thread Lee Howard
of ... didn't even bother to start IPv6 peering on it. How would there be traffic if you have no peering? An there you have it, how much is someone willing to pay for space in the Internet casino. Well, it's much more than free and probably close to the dollar level in the presentation by Lee Howard

Re: misunderstanding scale

2014-03-25 Thread Lee Howard
It is late and I am just rambling, but even with DHCP(4and6) changing IP networks is not a trivial thing. Not hard, but it will require a lot more planning than what many do today of simply changing the WAN IP address and some records in the DNS (if needed) We tried:

Re: ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE: [arin-ppml] [arin-discuss] Term Limit Proposal)

2014-03-28 Thread Lee Howard
On 3/27/14 6:42 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: nanog is a separable game. it is currently very confused between form and substance, making committees for everything. like the bcop thing. two organizations, nanog and isoc, forming organizational structures to create a document store. the

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/17/14 8:51 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: While you're at it, the document can explain to admins who have been burned, often more than once, by the pain of re-numbering internal services at static addresses how IPv6 without NAT will magically solve this problem.

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/17/14 11:51 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Also, I note your draft is entitled Requirements for IPv6 Enterprise Firewalls. Frankly, no enterprise firewall will be taken seriously without address-overloaded NAT. I realize that's a controversial statement in the IPv6 world but

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/17/14 4:45 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: There's a fair argument to be made which says that kind of NAT is unhealthy. If its proponents are correct, they'll win that argument later on with NAT-incompatible technology that enterprises want. After all, enterprise

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/18/14 4:33 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: If William and I fight that fight, lose it, and come back and tell you They won't go because insufficient NAT you need to listen. I've fought this in a dozen places and lost 8 of them, not because I don't know v6, but because

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-21 Thread Lee Howard
On 4/18/14 10:16 PM, Matt Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:04:35PM -0400, Jeff Kell wrote: As to address the other argument in this threat on NAT / private addressing, PCI requirement 1.3.8 pretty much requires RFC1918 addressing of the computers in scope... has

Re: Requirements for IPv6 Firewalls

2014-04-21 Thread Lee Howard
From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Date: Friday, April 18, 2014 7:11 PM To: Lee Howard l...@asgard.org Cc: Eugeniu Patrascu eu...@imacandi.net, draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-firewall-r...@tools.ietf.org draft-gont-opsec-ipv6-firewall-r...@tools.ietf.org, nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org

Re: IPv6 at 50% for VZW (Re: NAT IP and Google)

2014-05-22 Thread Lee Howard
On 5/22/14 8:04 AM, Livingood, Jason jason_living...@cable.comcast.com wrote: On 5/21/14, 9:38 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On May 21, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Verizon Wireless is at 50% ipv6 penetration I suspect this would go up significantly if

Re: IPv6 at 50% for VZW (Re: NAT IP and Google)

2014-05-23 Thread Lee Howard
On 5/22/14 9:41 PM, Martin Hannigan hanni...@gmail.com wrote: My job isn't to increase v6. It's to make sure we can serve traffic over protocols we are asked to. We are dual stacked which means our customers are. I'm not going to tell you what your job is. I'm curious, though, whether your

Re: Time Warner IPv6 Reverse DNS?

2014-06-13 Thread Lee Howard
We've corresponded offline. I documented the difficulties in providing reverse DNS for IPv6 residential users in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-06 It's a long-expired draft, which never found sufficient support from a WG or AD. I've been meaning to rewrap it as a BCOP, but

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-17 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/17/14 4:20 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Here's what the general public is hearing: But only while they still have IPv4 addresses: ~$ dig arstechnica.com +short ~$ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/06/with-the-americas-ru

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-18 Thread Lee Howard
to turn up services. Lee Andrew Fried andrew.fr...@gmail.com On 6/17/14, 5:48 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 6/17/14 4:20 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Here's what the general public is hearing: But only while they still

Re: Credit to Digital Ocean for ipv6 offering

2014-06-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/18/14 2:44 PM, John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: I find the /50 particularly odd as it's not a nibble boundary and very close to /48. It's almost certain this is an operator who fails to grasp that they could have easily gotten a larger allocation from their RIR if they just asked

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-18 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/18/14 3:38 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: 2. Older gateways, especially consumer-owned retail devices, don't support IPv6. Churn would help, if new retail gateways supported IPv6. Several do now. What are $CABLECO, $CE_STORES, etc. doing to make sure consumers choose these or

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/17/14 11:43 PM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote: These sites used to be dual-stacked: www.cablelabs.com (over 180 days ago via ipv6.cablelabs.com) www.att.net (over 44 days ago) www.charter.com (over 151 days) www.globalcrossing.com (over 802 days) www.timewarnercable.com (over 593

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
I support a recommendation to consumer retailers to start requiring IPv6 support in the stuff that they sell, but unfortunately I don¹t have very good data on how large of a request that actually is. In my experience, retailers will sell whatever flies off the shelves without regard to

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/18/14 7:26 PM, Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2014-06-18 at 19:02 -0400, George, Wes wrote: Similarly, Belkin¹s home routers appear to support IPv6, but that doesn¹t appear in the specs or features list on their site when I just checked it. There's also an issue of what

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
From: Brian Hartsfield b...@tronstar.com Date: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:27 AM To: Lee Howard l...@asgard.org Cc: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com, Wesley George wesley.geo...@twcable.com, nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion For consumers I think I

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/19/14 2:50 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Edward Arthurs earth...@legacyinmate.com wrote: You are correct, but this is the tip of the iceberg as other configurations will need to come into play as pointed out by several people on

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: How does IPv6 to end users make IPv4 unnecessary for growth, if enterprises and content providers haven't deployed IPv6? content folk are mostly getting

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-19 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/19/14 5:02 PM, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote: On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:35:55 -0400, John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote: Any suggestions on how ARIN should reach those CIO's in the meantime? Refuse additional IPv4

Re: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)

2014-06-20 Thread Lee Howard
NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org a écrit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 : De : Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com A : nanog@nanog.org, Date : 2014-06-19 12:43 Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion) Envoyé par : NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

2014-06-20 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/19/14 11:13 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: So, I was focusing on the end-user (Consumer) set because given enough migration

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-29 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/29/14 1:00 PM, Robert Drake rdr...@direcpath.com wrote: On 7/29/2014 12:42 PM, Chris Boyd wrote: There's probably going to be some interesting legal fallout from that practice. As an ISP customer, I'd be furious to find out that my communications had been intercepted due to the bad

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-07-29 Thread Lee Howard
Thanks for sharing your experience; it's very unusual to get the perspective of an operator running CGN (on a broadband ISP; wireless has always had it). On 7/29/14 5:28 PM, Tony Wicks t...@wicks.co.nz wrote: OK, as someone with experience running CGNAT to fixed broadband customers in general,

Re: Carrier Grade NAT

2014-08-01 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/30/14 3:45 PM, joshua rayburn jbrayb...@gmail.com wrote: Starting in 3.10 code you can utilize Bulk Port Allocation to carve out small consecutive port bundles for end users as to not mess up SIP functionsand High Speed Logging to log individual customers ports for law enforcement needs

Re: NANOG College Immersion Program

2014-09-26 Thread Lee Howard
I am delighted to see this, and I hope other conferences will do likewise. Lee On 9/26/14 10:24 AM, Dave Temkin d...@temk.in wrote: I'm excited to announce that for NANOG 63 in San Antonio that we will begin the NANOG College Immersion Program. This program aims to provide the next generation

Re: Belkin Router issues this morning?

2014-10-08 Thread Lee Howard
On 10/7/14 10:14 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Larry Sheldon larryshel...@cox.net wrote: I am having trouble understanding why a router would need a heartbeat from some foreign location. Or even what it would do with one. One, not

IPv6 Operations

2014-11-11 Thread Lee Howard
As a co-chair of the IETF v6ops Working Group, I thought I'd share my notes about yesterday's meeting with you, as actual operators, and ask for more input. Deprecating 6to4 Brian Carpenter discussed draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic

Public Policy Approaches to IPv4-IPv6 Transition

2015-02-03 Thread Lee Howard
If you are a monarch or regulator, or just curious, and want to compare stories of what other countries have done to promote IPv6 (as in my presentation today, https://www.nanog.org/meetings/abstract?id=2486) you can download the working paper at:

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-15 Thread Lee Howard
this reference in an RFI, to catch vendors who were only cutting and pasting marketing materials. -mel beckman On Mar 13, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: I think the RFC numbering system is a terrible scheme. As Wes described, you have a document purporting to describe

Re: BCOP appeals numbering scheme -- feedback requested

2015-03-13 Thread Lee Howard
I think the RFC numbering system is a terrible scheme. As Wes described, you have a document purporting to describe something, with no indicator that parts of it have been rendered obsolete by parts of other documents. I pity implementors who have to figure it all out. I also agree with Joel,

Re: AWS Elastic IP architecture

2015-06-01 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/1/15, 1:49 PM, Matthew Kaufman matt...@matthew.at wrote: On 6/1/2015 12:06 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: ... Here¹s the thingŠ In order to land IPv6 services without IPv6 support on the VM, you¹re creating an environment where... Let's hypothetically say that it is much easier for the cloud

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-06 Thread Lee Howard
Some thoughts. . . ³Native dual-stack² is ³native IPv4 and native IPv6.² ³Dual-stack² might be native, or might by ³native IPv6 plus IPv4 address sharing.² Your IPv4 address sharing options are CGN, DS-Lite, and MAP. There are operational deployments of all three, in the order given. You need

Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure

2015-06-26 Thread Lee Howard
On 6/23/15, 9:01 AM, NANOG on behalf of Ca By nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have failed to achieve in the modest task that was your charge You now get this https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1471 Time to watch this again:

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-17 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/17/15, 6:25 AM, Christopher Morrow christopher.mor...@gmail.com on behalf of morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Ricky Beam jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:20:11 -0400, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: Business Class DOCSIS customers get

Re: Hotels/Airports with IPv6

2015-07-13 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/9/15, 11:04 AM, NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of m...@beckman.org wrote: I working on a large airport WiFi deployment right now. IPv6 is allowed for in the future but not configured in the short term. With less than 10,000 ephemeral users, we don't expect

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-16 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/16/15, 11:24 AM, NANOG on behalf of Joe Maimon nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of jmai...@ttec.com wrote: To clarify, my criticism of top down is specifically in response to the rationale presented that it is a valid objective to prevent, hinder and refuse to enable efforts that

Re: 'gray' market IPv4

2015-07-16 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/16/15, 12:47 PM, NANOG on behalf of Bryan Fields nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of br...@bryanfields.net wrote: On 7/15/15 9:59 AM, Lee Howard wrote: Price varies significantly by prefix length, and somewhat by region. Regional variance may not be as much as it used to be. Does

Re: another tilt at the Verizon FIOS IPv6 windmill

2015-07-15 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/13/15, 3:43 PM, NANOG on behalf of Ricky Beam nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of jfb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:32:33 -0400, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, move your business to TWC. TWC has a proven v6 deployment and is actively engaged in the community, as

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

2015-07-16 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/16/15, 4:32 PM, Joe Maimon jmai...@ttec.com wrote: Lee Howard wrote: So, you would like to update RFC 1112, which defines and reserves Class E? That¹s easy enough. If somebody had a use in mind for the space, anybody can write such a draft assigning space, which is, I believe, how

Re: ARIN IPV4 Countdown

2015-07-15 Thread Lee Howard
On 7/14/15, 11:16 PM, NANOG on behalf of Randy Bush nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of ra...@psg.com wrote: While the base curve it runs on is running ahead of the measured traffic curve, the measure of IPv6 enabled browsers is a reasonable indicator for what is happening. we're an isp,

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