Re: SITR/SHAKEN implementation in effect today (June 30 2021)

On 7/10/21 12:09 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: No, the root of the problem is the telcos making billions on these robocalls. Make that illegal, start fining them billions (whatever it takes), and it will stop. We've already had this discussion on nanog, recently, and people who were in that bus

Re: Where to get IPv4 block these day

On 8/6/21 8:35 AM, Fred Baker wrote: On Aug 6, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Noah wrote: Do majority of smart handsets OS today support v6? Majority of people I know (due to economic factors) own lowend android handsets with no support for v6. This group forms majority of eyeballs that contribute re

Re: Reminder: Never connect a generator to home wiring without transfer switch

On 8/25/21 11:11 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: The question that Ethan raised makes sense, however. If power to several blocks is out and I connect my little 2KW Honda to my house wiring without a transfer switch, because transformers work in both directions my generator will see the load of the

Re: An update on the AfriNIC situation

On 8/27/21 2:58 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Aug 27, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: Hi, If, like me, you feel like chipping in a little bit of money to help AfriNIC make payroll despite Heng having gotten their bank accounts frozen, some of the African ISP associat

abrupt speed changes and TCP

So it occurs to me in the rollout of 5G just walking down the street you might shift back and forth between high speed 5G bands and 4G because of uneven deployment and all sorts of other reasons. It sounds like this could vary block by block practically. I assume TCP just views this as cong

Re: abrupt speed changes and TCP

On 1/30/20 11:46 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:58 AM Michael Thomas wrote: So it occurs to me in the rollout of 5G just walking down the street you might shift back and forth between high speed 5G bands and 4G because of uneven deployment and all sorts of other reasons

Re: Jenkins amplification

On 2/3/20 10:48 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: Sorry, to be a little less flippant and a bit more productive: "I don't think every remote endpoint needs full access (or even some compromise based on how well you can/can't scale your VPN box's policies) access to the internal network. I think

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/6/20 2:34 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: https://www.fcc.gov/document/chairman-pai-proposes-mandating-stirshaken-combat-robocalls Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai today proposed a major step forward to further the FCC’s efforts to protect consumers against spoofed roboca

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/7/20 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:10 AM Bryan Holloway wrote: On 3/7/20 8:03 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:05 PM Brian J. Murrell wrote: So, if my telco can bill the callers for those premium calls, they surely know who they a

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/7/20 11:54 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: Has encryption ever solved scams/fraud/spam? Extended Validation SSL Certificates - Just pay a Certificate Authority more money DKIM signed email - Just pay a mail provider more money to blast email SWIFT encrypted payments - Just find the weakest b

Re: Chairman Pai Proposes Mandating STIR/SHAKEN To Combat Robocalls

On 3/7/20 3:53 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2020, John Levine wrote: This must be some DKIM other than the one the IETF standardized and every large mail provider uses to manage mail streams.  There's no CA's, you publish your own verification key in your DNS, and it costs nothing bey

Re: South Africa On Lockdown - Coronavirus - Update!

I don't know about Fido, but i've been making that point about Oauth for a very long time. As a browser mechanism which implements a sandbox it's fine. But when you have apps that can reach out of the sandbox it is definitely not fine. Mike On 3/23/20 2:59 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: Both Fido

crypto frobs

On 3/23/20 3:53 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote: Hi, In my experience, yubikeys are not very secure. I know of someone in my team who would generate a few hundred tokens during a meeting and save the output in a text file. Then they'd have a small python script which was triggered by a hotkey on my m

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/29/20 1:46 PM, Joe Greco wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 07:46:28PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: Joe Greco wrote on 29/03/2020 15:56: The concept of flooding isn't problematic by itself. Flood often works fine until you attempt to scale it. Then it breaks, just like Bj??rn admitted. Flood

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums have matured and become a better choice of technology for nontechnical end users on high speed Internet connections. My view

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 11:18 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote: On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums have matured and become

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 11:28 AM, Joe Greco wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:18:37PM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote: The thing that mailing lists lack is a central directory of their existence. The discovery problem is a pretty big one. Where is this to be found for webforums? I have never seen one. Or do

Re: free collaborative tools for low BW and losy connections

On 3/30/20 11:18 AM, Keith Medcalf wrote: On Monday, 30 March, 2020 11:19, Michael Thomas wrote: On 3/30/20 5:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 06:30:16AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: Actual text traffic has been slowly dying off for years as webforums have matured and become

Re: Scientists predict more major hurricanes than normal in 2020 season

And a comet too! https://www.cnet.com/news/brightening-comet-atlas-could-soon-lift-your-gaze-and-spirits-just-a-little/ Mike On 4/2/20 10:02 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: How is ISPs hurricane response planning going? https://thehill.com/homenews/news/490821-scientists-predict-more-major-hurrican

Re: mail admins?

On 4/21/20 5:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I think you just need to let scripts run in your browser for nanog.org. sad. http://nanog.org used to be the brilliant example of a fully featured web site sans javascript, flash, ... --- I'm not one t

Re: mail admins?

On 4/21/20 7:46 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: mail admins? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:34:36 -0700 On 4/21/20 5:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I think you just need to let scripts run in your browser for nanog.org. sad

Re: mail admins?

On 4/21/20 7:46 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: mail admins? Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:34:36 -0700 On 4/21/20 5:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: I think you just need to let scripts run in your browser for nanog.org. sad

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 12:15 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote So I should just get used to configuring routers with HTTP and Notepad and forget about that nasty, old, 20th century vi crap? :) No, but complaining about javascript on websites - Just to be c

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 4:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: From: Michael Thomas I'm not sure why the admins of nanog's site should particularly care about appeasing the js tinfoil hat set. i mean, computers computing! who will stop th

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 4:40 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:13 PM Scott Weeks wrote: --- m...@mtcc.com wrote: I'm not sure why the admins of nanog's site should particularly care about appeasing the js tinfoil hat set. Not the tin foil hat crowd, security. Can't it be both? Mobile

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 6:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 09:10:37AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: javascript is a hell of a lot safer than downloading native apps on your phone, for example. Because those are, of course, the *only* two possible options for accessing information. I&#

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 6:20 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM Michael Thomas wrote: If you want an actual verifiable current day problem which is a clear and present danger, you should be running as fast as you can to retrofit every piece of web technology with webauthn to get

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 7:35 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 06:31:04PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: Passwords over the wire are the *key* problem of computer security. Nothing else even comes close. Hmm, a bold claim, but I'm confident the author will have strong support for

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 6:20 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:57 PM Michael Thomas wrote: If you want an actual verifiable current day problem which is a clear and present danger, you should be running as fast as you can to retrofit every piece of web technology with webauthn to get

Re: mail admins?

On 4/23/20 8:48 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:47:58PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/23/20 7:35 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: While I do think webauthn is a neat idea, and solves at least one very real problem (credential theft via phishing), you do an absolutely terrible job

Re: mail admins?

On 4/24/20 5:01 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote: On 4/24/20 4:58 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/23/20 8:48 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:47:58PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/23/20 7:35 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: While I do think webauthn is a neat idea, and solves at least

Re: mail admins?

On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: $SHINYNEWSITE has only to entice you to enter your reused password which comes out in the clear on the other side of that TLS connection.?? basically password phishing. you can whine all

Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls

On 4/25/20 10:23 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: On Apr 24, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2020, Matthew Black wrote: Has anyone else noticed a steep decline in annoying phone calls since the FCC threatened legal action against three major VOIP gateways if they didn’

Re: mail admins?

On 4/26/20 5:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 07:59:24AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: $SHINYNEWSITE has only to entice you to enter your reused password which comes out

Re: mail admins?

On 4/26/20 8:39 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 05:10:56PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 5:07 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 07:59:24AM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 7:32 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 07:56:30PM -0700

Re: mail admins?

On 4/27/20 8:35 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 7:14 AM Michael Thomas wrote: On 4/26/20 8:39 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 05:10:56PM -0700, Michael Thomas wrote: Which exactly zero deployment. And you need to store the plain-text password on the server

Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls

On 4/27/20 9:15 AM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: What exactly is this "basic internet research"? I thought the big problem is that they are trivially capable of covering their tracks. There is always a money trail. Always. Because the whole point of these calls/sms messages is to get mone

Re: Phishing and telemarketing telephone calls

On 4/27/20 11:12 AM, Jon Lewis wrote: On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:32 PM Matthew Black wrote: Good grief, selling a kit for $47. Since all robocalls employ Caller ID spoofing, just how does one prove who called? You don't. AFAICT, that's the point o

Re: alternative to voip gateways

On 5/10/20 6:23 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: Hi Nick Have you considered using CPE DSL routers with VoIP and FXP analog out? Decentralized. That's what everyone are doing here. Might be free depending on where you get the CPEs. Or simply getting VoIP handsets. Lots of cheap DECT bases with V

Re: alternative to voip gateways

On 5/10/20 5:56 PM, Nick Edwards wrote: yes, POTS is the critical bit, the internet/data is an extra without guarantee, ie it is not a critical component, voice is. Voice may be a critical component regulationwise, especially with CO based battery backup. But in the rest of life IP bits are

Re: alternative to voip gateways

On 5/10/20 6:24 PM, Mark Delany wrote: wasnt there a hige shit stom in australia for their new national broadband network making internet ptrimary and phone secondary, a lot of aussies on forums I frequent bitch about its reliability, where even their aged copper services worked fine, not to me

Re: alternative to voip gateways

On 5/11/20 1:31 PM, Mark Delany wrote: We need to keep battery backup requirements, and expand them to all last mile IP bits. The need to call 911 has not gone away. For sure. I was merely observing that the conversion of POTS to VOIP in Australia didn't create a nation-wide disaster as the pe

Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Wait, is there supposed to be some sort of conspiracy? I'll bet that Steve Deering couldn't be happier being as far away from this as possible on some deserted island off the coast of BC. Mike On 5/13/20 1:46 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: I’m a very transparent guy, nothing to hi

lol reddit

Apparently they've completely melted down. But them crapping out is almost a daily occurrence anyway. Does anybody have any insight as to why they are unable to keep the lights on? I mean from the outside what they do is not particularly complicated. At least Usenet had an inter-domain floo

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/13/20 8:16 PM, Greg Skinner via NANOG wrote: If you ever decide to revisit this subject, I recall it was covered here in this thread started by Bill Herrin . My general feelings on the subject of tech interviews are summari

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 10:33 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:20 , Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: I once failed a network engineering interview because I couldn’t recite the OSPF LSA types by number from memory. It was fine, the fact that was a key question in the

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 10:46 AM, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: I completely agree.  One of the people I used to do interviews with would look through the resume, etc. and then say something like "this all looks good. Tell me about something you've done".  And we'd move on to talk about projects and how they

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 11:19 AM, Peter Kristolaitis wrote: On 2020-07-14 1:55 p.m., Michael Thomas wrote: But I try as much as possible to put candidates at ease because I know that not everybody reacts to interviews the same, which is sadly not the case far too often. Mike I often ask a question

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 12:09 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:12 PM Mehmet Akcin wrote: I am hosting a live show a few times a month about internet infrastructure and today's topics were, your favorite questions asked network engineers - you can watch the recording here https://www.

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 12:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:17 PM Michael Thomas wrote: On 7/14/20 12:09 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 3:12 PM Mehmet Akcin wrote: I am hosting a live show a few times a month about internet infrastructure and today's t

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 1:14 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 11:00 Ahmed elBorno > wrote: 15 years ago, I applied to a network admin role at Google, it was for their corporate office, not even the production network. I had less than two years experien

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 1:23 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- mpet...@netflight.com wrote: From: Matthew Petach On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 11:00 Ahmed elBorno wrote: I had less than two years experience. The interviewer asked me: [...] 2) If we had a 1GB file that we need to transfer between America and Europe,

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/14/20 1:25 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: - If someone asks me to do an algorithm or coding question, I generally tell them to pound sand; that I generally use the language statement or a standard library, or look up hard stuff in Knuth - and then ask them if they'd like to discuss the spe

CPE and bufferbloat

Given the new stresses of teleworking on the infrastructure, have providers been getting more calls about "the internetz are slow"? And if so, can you attribute any of it to bufferbloat? Anecdotally, I once had to hunt down a problem where the network was slagged because a friend was downlo

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/20/20 1:02 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:09 AM Mark Tinka wrote: We'll probably spend 95% of the time just talking about who they are, and 5% on the role. That has worked well for me in the past decade, and none of those hires had any "certificates" to impress me wi

Re: questions asked during network engineer interview

On 7/23/20 3:26 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:33 AM Michael Douglas wrote: One time I got asked in an interview how to estimate the number of manholes in a city. I replied that I would google 'pretentious interview questions' for a problem solving methodology. Many m

Re: cloud backup

On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote: i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max. google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb). backblaze b2 looks more like $20/mo for 4tb ($0.005/gb/mo). anyone else done a similar analysis? AWS S3 infr

Re: cloud backup

On 7/26/20 1:44 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: Michael Thomas wrote on 26/07/2020 21:39: AWS S3 infrequent access is $40/month. If it's really archival backup AWS has glacier which is less than $20/month, but it's name gives you an idea of what it is. how much does a full restore cost

Re: cloud backup

On 7/26/20 1:52 PM, Rob Szarka wrote: On 2020-07-26 16:39, Michael Thomas wrote: On 7/26/20 1:09 PM, Randy Bush wrote: i backup using arq on macos catalina. on two macs, i need maybe 3-4tb max.  google seems to be $100/mo for 20tb (big jump from $100/yr for 2tb).  backblaze b2 looks more

Re: cloud backup

On 7/26/20 3:30 PM, Randy Bush wrote: well, i was once given a tee shirt which said "i may have helped build the information superhighway, but i can not drive a car" :) When I was working on carrier VoIP in the early days at Cisco, i was like "wait, why am i doing this? i don't even l

Re: FCC: rulemaking on STIR/SHAKEN and Caller ID Authentication

On 9/10/20 9:49 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: At this month's FCC rulemaking meeting, it will consider https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-tentative-agenda-september-open-meeting-6 Promoting Caller ID Authentication to Combat Spoofed Robocalls – The Commission will consider a Report and

Re: FCC: rulemaking on STIR/SHAKEN and Caller ID Authentication

On 9/10/20 1:56 PM, Brandon Svec wrote: 99%? If a phone number was used than the PSTN was used. The fact that SIP is involved in part or all of the call path is not very relevant except for peer-to-peer stuff like whatsapp, skype, signal, telegram, etc. (and even those don't use SIP, but I thi

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 8/31/21 5:13 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 8/31/21 16:32, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote: Fun part being that it is hard to get a Dumb TV... though that is primarily simply because of all the tracking non-sense in them that makes them 'cheaper'... (still wonder how well that tracking stuff c

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 8/31/21 4:40 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: On the other hand, the last time I went looking for a 27” monitor, I ended up buying a 44” smart television because it was a cheaper HDMI 4K monitor than the 27” alternatives that weren’t televisions. (It also ended up being cheaper than the 2

Happy 40th anniversary RFC 791!

aka IPv4. The RFC doesn't have the exact date it was published, but the internet as we know it was being born. What a journey it's been. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc791 Mike

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 9/1/21 10:59 AM, Nimrod Levy wrote: All this chatter about IPv6 support on devices is fun and all, but there are providers still not on board. They operate in my neighborhood and they know who they are... This is about inside your premise before any NAT's enter the picture. What would be

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 9/1/21 11:25 AM, b...@theworld.com wrote: Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several people who'd tried would say don't do it. I think the gist was that the image processors in the TVs would fuzz text or something like that. That it was usable but they were unhappy wi

Re: Happy 40th anniversary RFC 791!

On 9/1/21 11:42 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: For anyone unaware, Jon Postel, a good friend and mentor to many of us at the dawn of the Internet, was the primary editor of this landmark document. Those were the days we thought ARPAnet would never be allowed to go commercial. Thanks to Jon’s tireles

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 9/1/21 11:49 AM, Matthew Huff wrote: IPv6 tunnels work great for network geeks, but rather poorly for home users with streaming, gaming etc...It's not necessarily the performance, it's either the geolocation, latency, or the very issue that started this thread - VPN banning. Remember, th

Re: Happy 40th anniversary RFC 791!

On 9/1/21 12:26 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: I still have a slew on Lantronix terminal servers :) A few years back I was shocked to hear that the original OS that I wrote -- called whimsically Punix for Puny Unix -- which was used by Lantronix was still being sold. I mean, that's over 30 years ag

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

On 9/1/21 3:17 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:28 PM > wrote: Every time I've read a thread about using TVs for monitors several people who'd tried would say don't do it. And everytime I see an email thread about the difference or not b

Re: The great Netflix vpn debacle! (geofeeds)

"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the world.” FCC License KJ6FJJ On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 8/31/21 4:40 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: On the other hand, the last time I went looking for

if not v6, what?

On 9/4/21 10:43 PM, Saku Ytti wrote: I view IPv6 as the biggest mistake of my career and feel responsible for this horrible outcome and I do apologise to Internet users for it. This dual-stack is the worst possible outcome, and we've been here over two decades, increasing cost and reducing ser

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/12/21 1:08 PM, Randy Bush wrote: If the mid size eyeballs knew ipv4 is going away in 10, 15, 20 years whichever it is, then they'd of course have to start moving too, because no upstream. And they would fight it tooth and nail, just like they do now you speak as if it was religion or the

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/12/21 4:59 PM, Randy Bush wrote: I doubt many vendors were chomping at the bit to support CGNAT definitely. they hate to sell big expensive boxes. Back in the early 2000's the first rumblings of what would eventually turn into CGN started popping up at Cablelabs. I went to the EVP of

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/13/21 11:22 AM, Randy Bush wrote: < rant > ipv6 was designed at a time where the internet futurists/idealists had disdain for operators and vendors, and thought we were evil money grabbers who had to be brought under control. the specs as originally RFCed by the ietf is very telling. fo

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/13/21 2:52 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 8:22 PM Randy Bush > wrote: real compatibility with ipv4 was disdained.  the transition plan was dual stack and v4 would go away in a handful of years.  the 93 transition mechanisms were desp

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/14/21 5:37 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: 8+8 came *MUCH* later than that, and really wasn't ready for prime time.  The reason we know that is that work was the basis of LISP and ILNP.  Yes, standing on the shoulders of giants.  And there certainly were poor design decisions in IPv6, bundling IP

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/14/21 1:06 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Sep 14, 2021, at 12:58 , Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 9/14/21 5:37 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: 8+8 came *MUCH* later than that, and really wasn't ready for prime time.  The reason we know that is that work was the

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/14/21 2:08 PM, Randy Bush wrote: I wasn't there at actual meetings at the time but your opinion was? Just because I didn't attend IETF meetings doesn't mean that I didn't read drafts, etc. Lurkers are a thing and lurkers are allowed opinions too. Mike

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/14/21 2:07 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: You’d be surprised… Vendors often get well down a path before exposing enough information to the community to get the negative feedback their solution so richly deserves. At that point, they have rather strong incentives to push for the IETF adopting the

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/14/21 2:17 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Just because I didn't attend IETF meetings doesn't mean that I didn't read drafts, etc. Lurkers are a thing and lurkers are allowed opinions too. i missed the rfc where the chair of the v6 wg said the ops did not understand the h ratio because we did not u

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/14/21 12:44 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: There were four proposals for the IPng: * NIMROD, PIP, SIP, and TUBA SIP was the one that was chosen, supported by endpoint manufacturers such as Sun and SGI, and it was the MOST compatible.  Operators and router manufacturers at the time pushed TUBA

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/15/21 4:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Sep 15, 2021, at 16:20 , Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 9/14/21 12:44 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: There were four proposals for the IPng: * NIMROD, PIP, SIP, and TUBA SIP was the one that was chosen, supported by

Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

On 9/21/21 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Unlike http based services which can be placed behind cloudflare or similar, harder to protect sip trunking servers. The provider in question makes use of third party hosting services for each of their cities' POPs. It is my understanding that for the m

Re: VoIP Provider DDoSes

37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Which makes SIPoHTTP an inevitability. Mike

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/24/21 10:53 AM, b...@uu3.net wrote: Well, I see IPv6 as double failure really. First, IPv6 itself is too different from IPv4. What Internet wanted is IPv4+ (aka IPv4 with bigger address space, likely 64bit). Of course we could not extend IPv4, so having new protocol is fine. It should just

Re: Rack rails on network equipment

On 9/25/21 2:08 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 9/25/21 13:55, Baldur Norddahl wrote: My personal itch is how new equipment seems to have even worse boot time than previous generations. I am currently installing juniper acx710 and while they are nice, they also make me wait 15 minutes to boot. T

Re: Powerline Broadband Usecases

On 9/27/21 1:35 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: It may be still interesting in some remote areas if you can bring fiber to the nearest medium to low voltage transformer. The company that designed the chip set (DS2, a Spanish company), was acquired by Marvell (https://www.marvell.

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/28/21 1:06 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 3:02 PM Randy Bush > wrote: > Heh, NAT is not that evil after all. Do you expect that all the home > people will get routable public IPs for all they toys inside house? in ipv6 they can. 

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/29/21 12:22 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: On Sep 29, 2021, at 09:25, Victor Kuarsingh wrote:  On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: Use SLAAC, allocate prefixes from both providers. If you are using multiple routers, set

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/29/21 1:09 PM, Victor Kuarsingh wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:22 PM Owen DeLong > wrote: On Sep 29, 2021, at 09:25, Victor Kuarsingh mailto:vic...@jvknet.com>> wrote:  On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 10:55 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG mailto:nanog@n

Re: IPv6 woes - RFC

On 9/29/21 2:23 PM, Victor Kuarsingh wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 4:51 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 9/29/21 1:09 PM, Victor Kuarsingh wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:22 PM Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: On Sep 29,

Re: massive facebook outage presently

On 10/4/21 11:48 AM, Luke Guillory wrote: I believe the original change was 'automatic' (as in configuration done via a web interface). However, now that connection to the outside world is down, remote access to those tools don't exist anymore, so the emergency procedure is to gain physical

Re: facebook outage

On 10/4/21 2:41 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: man. 4. okt. 2021 23.33 skrev Bill Woodcock >: > On Oct 4, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Bill Woodcock mailto:wo...@pch.net>> wrote: > > > >> On Oct 4, 2021, at 11:10 PM, Bill Woodcock mailto:wo...@pch.net>> wrote:

Re: Facebook post-mortems...

On 10/4/21 5:58 PM, jcur...@istaff.org wrote: Fairly abstract - Facebook Engineering - https://m.facebook.com/nt/screen/?params=%7B%22note_id%22%3A10158791436142200%7D&path=%2Fnotes%2Fnote%2F&_rdr

Re: update - Re: Facebook post-mortems...

On 10/4/21 6:07 PM, jcur...@istaff.org wrote: On 4 Oct 2021, at 8:58 PM, jcur...@istaff.org wrote: Fairly abstract - Facebook Engineering - https://m.facebook.com/nt/screen/?params=%7B%22note_id%22%3A10158791436142200%7D&path=%2Fnotes%2Fnote%2F&_rdr

Re: Facebook post-mortems...

On 10/4/21 10:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 6:15 PM Michael Thomas wrote: They have a monkey patch subsystem. Lol. Yes, actually, they do. They use Chef extensively to configure operating systems. Chef is written in Ruby. Ruby has something called Monkey Patches. This

Re: Facebook post-mortems...

On 10/5/21 12:17 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: On 5. Oct 2021, at 07:42, William Herrin wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 6:15 PM Michael Thomas wrote: They have a monkey patch subsystem. Lol. Yes, actually, they do. They use Chef extensively to configure operating systems. Chef is written in

Better description of what happened

lt;https://engineering.fb.com/2021/10/05/networking-traffic/outage-details/> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 1:26 PM Michael Thomas <mailto:m...@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 10/5/21 12:17 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 5. Oct 2021, at 07:42, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>>

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