I know that a popular method for generating random bit streams is to take radio
(stellar) noise and convert it into a digital bit stream. Very popular among
crypto geeks.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Dan White [mailto:dwh...@olp.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:55
How would this be legally different than receiving the illegal content
in an envelope and anonymously forwarding the envelope via the post
office? I am pretty sure you are still liable since you were the
sender. I realize that there are special postal regulations but I think
that agreeing to
I think the best analogy I would use in defense is something like the
pre-paid cellular phones that are sold. That is about the only
anonymous communications service I can think of off the top of my head.
Problem is that most people are not licensed carriers and may not be
able to hide behind
I think service providers are afforded special protections because the
law recognizes their utility and the inability of the service provider
to be responsible for the actions of all of their customers. The major
problem is that not every individual has the same protections. A lot of
ISPs are
]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:14 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help
if you can.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com
wrote:
ISPs also do not allow strangers to do whatever they want ISPs
1. Running open access wireless does not make you legally an ISP and if
your open wireless is used to commit a crime you could be criminally
negligent if you did not take reasonable care in the eyes of the
court.
2. If I provide access to four or five friends, I am not an ISP and in
fact I am
a source of pain for them.
Done with this subject, sorry for the long windedness
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:53 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: William was raided for running
-Original Message-
From: Rich Kulawiec [mailto:r...@gsp.org]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:59 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please
help if you can.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:04:02AM -0500, Chris quoted (William):
Yes, it
WAIT A SECOND HERE!?!?
I just read below that this guy runs a large ISP in Austria. I thought
his Tor node was hosted with an external provider. If he runs the ISP,
why would he not host his own server in house? I suppose there are
reasons but I can't think of one, especially if you feel so
or legal sharing and
distribution and some not so nice media.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
[mailto:froom...@law.miami.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:30 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: NANOG
Subject: RE: William was raided for running
-Original Message-
From: Peter Kristolaitis [mailto:alte...@alter3d.ca]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help
if you can.
On 11/30/2012 04:01 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
I am a little concerned
From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:47 PM
To: William Herrin
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please
help if you can.
On 11/29/12, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
If the computer at IP:port:timestamp
-
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:12 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; NANOG list
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.
When is the last time you were arrested, or even
Guess who has power over the networks and Internet. We do and power corrupts
us too. There are some bad guy ISPs and engineers out there too. Just because
you are running a Tor server to allow for privacy protection does not mean
you were never doing anything illegal through it. I know this
Kickstarter -- you hope to get something good out of it, but if it
bombs, well... you pay your money and you take your chances.
- Pete
On 11/30/2012 05:02 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
OK, there must be a lot more paranoid people out there than I thought
there were. I personally don't have a runaway
I might be reading this the wrong way but it looked to me like the cops
raided his home and the Tor server is hosted off site with an ISP. That
is what is bugging me so much. The cops raided his house, not the
location of the server. If they had tracked the server by its IP it
would have led to
- in this case, the cops have not even said this guy is guilty of
anything yet.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:49 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit
I would guess that a lot of the access growth going forward is going to
be a lot of what I would term incidental access. More and more
devices and technology requires or supports Internet access. So while a
lot of people may not ask for internet service that don't already have
it, it will be
[mailto:william.allen.simp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:20 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.
On 11/30/12 5:15 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Well, in that case I am really worried that the cops might
Make sure you check this out in detail. My export / import people found
out that if the device is going to be in control of and used by a US
company doing business in China, there are a lot less encryption
restrictions. The ruling was that it was not an export if the device
remains the property
Agreed. I have run IPsec over MPLS with no problem in China on several
carriers. Internet connectivity also worked but performance was spotty
due to overloaded firewall or circuits in and out of the country.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Tom Paseka
There are lots of carriers but unfortunately they all seem to use China
Telecom infrastructure for transport so there is not really a way to get
better Internet service there. In our experience MPLS performs better
because China Telecom seems to hand off service to the international
MPLS carriers
You can get DID numbers from a carrier when you buy a service from them. There
is usually a ratio of how many DIDs you can get for a certain service. I know
you will need state utilities commission licenses at least if you want to
become a telephone carrier. IP only voice service I am not
If you are a facilities based broadband provider in the US you have to
comply with CALEA. There is no coming to some agreement, you have a
legal obligation to comply. No more, and no less. You don't have to
comply with requests from agencies other than law enforcement under
CALEA but you may
Please, no connectors that do not lock into place. Is plugging in the
RJ-45 that much of a task? Most portable devices are going wireless in
any case so they are not an issue. The RJ-45 has worked OK for me. The
AUI connectors have a special place in networking hell. What an
incredibly
It takes a lot of voltage to cause an arcing spark. I would suspect
static buildup along the way and bad grounding. Even a big facility
with a good ground should not have enough voltage differential between
grounding points to cause sparks. Having the right size rack grounding
should give you a
HDMI is also extremely distance limited. At those kinds of distances
you probably would have no problem running 8 gbps over a Cat 6 with
RJ-45s as well. I don't know how many people remember it but 1G used to
be real expensive as well. In a few years you will see the 10 gbps
D-Link switches at
Distance, data rate required, bandwidth (like RF signals), analog
signals and timing that Ethernet does not provide. I suppose that you
cable box could encode everything as Ethernet/IP to send it to your TV
but it would take lots of processing horsepower to encode/decode. Your
stereo could take
Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Eric Wieling [mailto:ewiel...@nyigc.com]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:30 AM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?
The only thing I would change about RJ-45 is a longer tab (but make it
optional
I would think your $ value would be calculated by a few factors.
1. How much would it cost to train and hire NOC guys that do what you
do today vs. using outsourced support for those issues or going to a
higher level team.
2. How much longer would SLA affecting problems take to solve without
Kind of seems to me that if I am deep enough in your mobile device to get your
accelerometer data, I probably can get access to your stored data in the
device. The only reason I think I would want your passcode would be to
physically steal your device and then try to use it.
This is one of
Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:22 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: Endpoint Security and Smartphones
- Original Message -
From: Steve Naslund snasl...@medline.com
Kind of seems to me that if I am deep enough in your mobile device to
get your
with your phone. Problem with that is that the accuracy would
have to be much better for that purpose.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:47 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: NANOG; George Herbert
Subject: Re
of these sensors on your person
is a security threat.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:41 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: Endpoint Security and Smartphones
- Original Message -
From: Steve Naslund snasl
I can't help but wonder what would happen if US Corporations simply
blocked all inbound Chinese traffic. Sure it would hurt their
business, but imagine what the Chinese people would do in response
First thing is the Chinese government would rejoice since they don't
want their citizens on our
Does not matter much when few people are using home landlines and even fewer
own sat phones.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Henry Linneweh [mailto:hrlinne...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:45 AM
To: Stephen Sprunk; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: POTS Ending (Re:
It seems to me that all the markets have been doing this the wrong way.
Would it now be more fair to use some kind of signed timestamp and
process all transactions in the order that they originated? Perhaps
each trade could have a signed GPS tag with the absolute time on it. It
would keep
-Original Message-
From: Chu, Yi [NTK] [mailto:yi@sprint.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:01 AM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: raging bulls
What prevents someone to fake an earlier timestamp? Money can bend
light, sure can a few msec.
yi
-Original
to actually gain time on the system. Possibly but
it would be a very tall order.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Chu, Yi [NTK] [mailto:yi@sprint.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:01 AM
To: Naslund, Steve; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: raging bulls
What prevents someone to fake
although I supposed
real estate on Mt Everest could get very valuable (closer to the
satellites) :)
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Brett Frankenberger [mailto:rbf+na...@panix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:08 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: raging bulls
transmission and processing of transactions to make the
entire debate pointless and ensure that no one has any consistent
advantage at all.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:snasl...@medline.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:08 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE
[mailto:s...@snar.spb.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:46 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: Alexandre Snarskii
Subject: Re: raging bulls
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 09:08:18AM -0500, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Also, we are only talking about a delay long enough to satisfy the
longest circuit so you could
is not in the cards or you would not see the
high cost specialized networks from Chicago to NYC.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: joel jaeggli [mailto:joe...@bogus.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:23 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: raging bulls
On 8/8/12 6:52 AM
It might be complicated. I am just saying it is probably not as
complicated as a permanent transatlantic aerial drone network or owning
your own particle accelerator. I think all the anti-replay,
anti-backdating concerns have probably been solved in the various
public/private key networks, if
be the network
implications of this so I will curtail the general discussing of HFT.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:54 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: raging bulls
Here is another thought. Many
, Naslund, Steve wrote:
We are getting a bit off the NANOG subject
You think?
A
I think the issue is that the field techs wanted to get the customer up
and running. Most of the outside plant stuff is done by contractors and
it takes time to get them on the job. Sometimes a work around is the
best they can do. How long was it like that?
Steven Naslund
-Original
I can tell you that I certainly would not eat a penalty for their
failure to identify a 3 month build-out delay.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Seagraves [mailto:dseag...@humancapitaldev.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:23 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re:
a network upgrade that will replace this that is not on
schedule. Either way, they should be able to get an explanation
together.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Patrick W. Gilmore [mailto:patr...@ianai.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 10:04 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: Patrick W
We have had good luck with the Rhino series of labelers by Dymo. There
are a lot of different label types and the cost of the labels is pretty
reasonable. We bought ours through Grainger supply. There are a lot of
Grainger stores around here and we can usually pick them up out of stock
or we
The Dymo Rhino prints small enough so that when the label wraps around
the jumper the text still shows. It lets you set cable diameter so it
knows how small the text needs to be to support the overlap.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Jensen Tyler [mailto:jty...@fiberutilities.com]
Sent:
Most often it's about who you talk to. We had a problem with a low
cable over a driveway that ATT trouble desk did nothing about for a
long time. Next time we called the phone number that appears on some of
their pedestals and turns out to be some kind of outside plant oriented
help desk and
Now you did it Anne, prepare for the deluge of advice requests :)
Seriously though, thanks for chiming in on this.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:43 PM
To: Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Bursty is a very relative thing. It depends on the time frame you are
considering. For example, at any given instant of time a circuit is
either carrying data or it isn't. The network is always either 100% in
use or 100% idle if you look at it in an instantaneous fashion. There
is also a
The trick is that there is no right to work if you are a guest at the
hotel. You have no right to work on their property without their
consent. In reality, the hotels do not want union headaches so that is
the way it goes.
Right to work only is in effect if an employer hires me and I do not
I suppose that ARIN would say that they do not guarantee routability
because they do not have operational control of Internet routers.
However, Wouldn't you say that there is a very real expectation that
when you request address space through ARIN or RIPE that it would be
routable? I would think
(Was: something has a /8!
...)
On Sep 20, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com
wrote:
Wouldn't you say that there is a very real expectation that
when you request address space through ARIN or RIPE that it would be
routable?
I certainly would not say that.
I would say
Remember that at the time, IP was designed to be classful so having four 8 bit
bytes was real convenient to look only at the bytes in the host portion of the
address. Class A meant three significant bytes, Class B had two significant
bytes, and Class C had three significant bytes as far as the
I think route retention might help in the event the table was cleared or
routing process restarted but I don't that it will help with a boot
because the table structures are being built as part of the system
initialization. In reality, I would expect the static routes to get
installed very early
-Original Message-
From: Ricky Beam [mailto:jfb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:45 PM
To: NANOG list; Mike
Subject: Re: Service provider T1/PPP question
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 00:07:45 -0400, Mike mike-na...@tiedyenetworks.com
wrote:
I am wanting to offer a broadband over T1
The error in this whole conversation is that you cannot take it back as an
engineer. You do not own it. You are like an architect or carpenter and are
no more responsible for how it is used than the architect is responsible that
the building he designed is being used as a crack house. Do
I am unclear on what you mean by technical choice. Are you talking about a
technical solution to keep the government from seeing your traffic? That will
not work for two main reasons.
1. The government has a lot more resources and motivation than the average
company when it comes to
How do you get around the problem of natural monopolies, then? Or should
we be moving to a world where, say, a dozen or more separate companies are
all running fiber or coax on the poles on my street in an effort to get to my
house?
We already did it. The Telecommunications Act allows
-Original Message-
From: Jim Popovitch [mailto:jim...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 10:15 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: Sholes, Joshua; Larry Sheldon; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Naslund, Steve snasl
that right).
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Mark Tinka [mailto:mark.ti...@seacom.mu]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 10:01 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
On Friday, March 21, 2014 04:46:13 PM Naslund, Steve wrote:
First question to ask
for that price.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Jim Popovitch [mailto:jim...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:07 AM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: Sholes, Joshua; Larry Sheldon; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM
We don't know because the service provider rolls that cost up along
with th= e services they sell. That is my point. They are able to
spread the costs= out based on the profitable services they sell.
Okay.
If they were not able to =
sell us services I am not sure they could afford to
... In fact, having been a service provider I can tell you that I
paid the LEC about $4 a month for a copper pair to your house to sell
DSL service at around ten times that cost. I am sure the LEC was not
making money at the $4 a month and I know I could not fund a build out for
that
There may not need to be competition in the capitalist sense of the word but
there needs to be some feedback loop for the consumer of a service to provide
feedback on their satisfaction with it. In the case of a government provided
service people vote at the polls. With a commercially
I am not sure I agree with the basic premise here. NAT or Private addressing
does not equal security.
A globally routable address does not necessarily mean globally accessible.
Any enterprise that cares a wit about network security is going to have a
firewall. If you are relying on NAT to
[mailto:frnk...@iname.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:08 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
Not sure which rural LECs are exempt from competition. Some areas are
effectively exempt from facilities-based (i.e. wireline
Here is the legal definition of an RLEC.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/rural-telephone-company/
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
-Original Message-
From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:snasl...@medline.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:16 PM
To: Frank Bulk
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE
infrastructure without services,
it might work in a major metro area but not in these areas.
Steven Naslund
-Original Message-
From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:21 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns
Exactly right John. I think the term owned is a problem here.
It seems to me that the terms would correctly be holder or who the address
space was issued to or user being the end user using that space.
Wouldn't all of the holders be ARIN members unless grandfathered in?
Steven Naslund
Chicago
to make a political statement.
I apologize if I gave you the impression that I disapproved of your question.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:52 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: John Curran; North American Network Operators' Group
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:10 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: arin representation
sorry steve.
was not chasing down the tree. not clear what a useful measurement would be.
randy
He is definitely in the authoritative hands :)
Steve
-Original Message-
From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:16 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: Randy Bush; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: arin representation
Steve -
Thanks
I think it would be just as easy to claim that breaking the end-to-end model is
more of a security concern that lack of NAT. Having the NAT is essentially
condoning a permanent man-in-the-middle. A lot of customers do believe that
NAT adds to their security. I would advise them however that
If they have a stateful IPv6 firewall (which they should and which most
firewall vendors support), they already have what they need to prevent their
internal systems from being accessible from the outside. If you are an
enterprise and you don't have a stateful firewall, you are in trouble from
, March 24, 2014 12:34 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Subject: Re: misunderstanding scale
On 3/24/2014 12:53 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
If they have a stateful IPv6 firewall (which they should and which most
firewall vendors support), they already have what they need to prevent their
internal systems from
That number will change depending on distance, terrain, and a lot of other
factors. I have personally installed a lot of outside plant fiber and $700 can
turn into $2400 the first time you find a rock or need to add a manhole
somewhere. It also depends on distance between customers and their
I doubt that many residential customers will be readdressing their networks
except for us geeks. Most of them are going to be using CPE that grabs an
address via DHCP for the WAN interface and then does an IPv6 DHCP PD with the
/64 it gets from the service provider. The customer sees nothing
Thinking about this again, let's take Jay at his word that he can make a
passing for $700-800. Unfortunately, the ISP or service provider does not
pay for a passing, they pay for an entry. After all we can't let them make
their own entry or we will have everyone and their brother in our
I can easily answer that one as a holder of v4 space at a commercial entity.
The end user does not feel any compelling reason to move to ipv6 if they have
enough v4 space.
I can't give my employer a solid business case of why they need to make the
IPv6 transition. They already hold enough v4
That is correct as long as that direct allocation came from ARIN. A really
large chunk of address space was allocated (especially to the government
entities) way before ARIN was controlling the space. I think the large
percentage of space held by non-ARIN members come from those really large
Exactly right. In fact that is generous because the v6 host having a stateful
firewall has a real protocol aware firewall (and often bundled IDS/IPS
capability) not just a NAT to protect him.
The NAT provides almost no security once a single host behind the NAT is
compromised and makes an
Randy,
I am not sure I understand the argument here. If you think that ARIN is not
representing the address space holders in proper fashion, how would we suggest
correcting that? If an address holder does not become a member (which is
fairly easy to do if you care enough) how would we even
A question came to mind with all the discussion of ipv6 vulnerabilities. I am
wondering for those with a lot of real world pure IPv6 connectivity, how robust
have been the V6 to V4 gateways necessary for intercommunication between native
IPv6 hosts and the IPv4 world? I was thinking that
You are right but that is usually how it works with fiber because that last
drop to the home is a pretty expensive piece that you don't usually want
installed until it is needed. The LECS usually don't even light a building
unless there is a service that requires it. I was trying to make the
Look at it this way. If I see an attack coming from behind your NAT,
I'm gonna deny all traffic coming from your NAT block until you assure
me you have it fixed because I have no way of knowing which host it is
coming from. Now your whole network is unreachable. If you have a
If you can figure out how to store an address and a mask you can have any size
entry you want. Just like a routing table. This is not insurmountable.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
OTOH, a spammer with a single /64, pretty much the absolute minimum
IPv6 block, has more than 18 quintillion
Would it make it more unique; if I suggested creation of a new distributed
Cryptocurrency something like 'MAILCoin' to track the memberships in the
club and handle voting out of abusive mail servers: in a distributed
manner, to ensure that no court could ever mandate that a certain IP
Here we go down the rabbit hole again. This is not difficult. An Internet
Service Provider is an entity that provides Internet connectivity to its
customers for some consideration.
If you are looking for a legal definition of an ISP you are not going to find
(a satisfactory) one. The FCC
Net Neutrality is really something that has me worried. I know there have to
be some ground rules, but I believe that government regulation of internet
interconnection and peering is a sure way to stagnate things. I have been in
the business a long time and remember how peering kind of
In common ISP language, peering is a connection between equals that is mutually
beneficial so no money usually changes hands, peering connections are usually
AS to AS without the ability to transit through to other AS (or at least some
kind of policy that prevents you from using your peer for
If you are a multi-homed end user and you feel that a BGP configuration for
that is a big management nightmare then you probably should not be running BGP.
It would take me somewhere less than 15 minutes to set this up with two
carriers and unless the carrier's are at drastically different
I am just guessing but you probably have not been in the service provider
space. Peering in my experience has always required an ASN and BGP as a
pre-requisite. That is because all service providers use BGP communities and
various other mechanisms to control these connections. Sure you could
Sorry to be cold about this but as high speed connectivity becomes more
necessity than luxury, the market will still react. For example, I could move
to the top of a mountain with no electric however most of us would not. If I
was buying a home and I could not get decent high speed Internet,
I can't believe that you actually believe that Brett. The reason the cost goes
down as the number of IPs goes up is because these blocks are not managed
address by address, they are managed as a single entity. ARIN has almost the
same amount of labor and management involved whether it is a
Chevy, sure they
would like for you to have bought from them but they will take what they can
get.
Steven Naslund
Steve, the key piece you're missing here is that the major broadband
providers are both
- near-monopolies in their access areas
- content providers
Not a situation where market
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