Re: gTLDs opened up

2013-07-11 Thread Scott Howard
. * Scott

Re: gTLDs opened up

2013-07-11 Thread Scott Howard
If you're re-defining the general perception of DNS, why not re-define IPv4 whilst you're at it? It looks like the 4 at the start shouldn't be there - or at least, there is a DNS server at the IP address you get without the 4... Scott On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Alex Buie alex.b

RE: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

2013-07-11 Thread Scott Weeks
--- rw...@ropeguru.com wrote: From: Robert Webb rw...@ropeguru.com At least there are some that try and take a stand for their customer and not just hand over the keys to the palace when the good ole boys ask. --- Like web search engine startpage.com scott

Re: .nyc - here we go...

2013-07-03 Thread Scott Weeks
of caution preferred. --- Thanks for the explanation. I will begin to learn more about this. scott

.nyc - here we go...

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Weeks
they are able to make the purchase? Please don't suggest arbitration because that only increases the cost to those countries. Who's going to buy .nanog? Who's going to buy .ietf? etc. Did icann have any financial requirements to get .icann? scott

Re: .nyc - here we go...

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Weeks
then charging the tiny countries mors when they are able to make the purchase? s/tiny countries/cities in tiny countries/ Does the speculator issue have to go to arbitration? scott

Re: .nyc - here we go...

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Weeks
is not insignificant to them. scott

Re: Google's QUIC

2013-06-28 Thread Scott Weeks
actually implement that? No: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Control_Transmission_Protocol --- C'mon Jay! Get with the plan! ;-) scott

Re: Google's QUIC

2013-06-28 Thread Scott Whyte
they grok that not understanding Van Jacobson dooms you to repeat it. Van is at Google. Much grokking is going on. -Scott https://docs.google.com/**document/d/**1lmL9EF6qKrk7gbazY8bIdvq3Pno2X** j_l_YShP40GLQE/preview?sle=**true#heading=h.h3jsxme7rovmhttps://docs.google.com/document/d

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-25 Thread Scott Weeks
I hope I've gotten the quotations correct... --- joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com On 6/24/13 1:19 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: joe...@bogus.com wrote: That's why I'm trying to follow up on the original question. Is there something similar

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-25 Thread Scott Weeks
to prospective customers? scott

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-25 Thread Scott Weeks
in this country, or in others, and we need to protect ourselves. scott

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-24 Thread Scott Weeks
more important on microwave shots when security is desired. scott

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-24 Thread Scott Weeks
employed in these products, they are export controlled items and are regulated by the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) of the U.S. Department of Commerce. They may not be exported or shipped for re-export to restricted countries... wheee! :-) scott

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-23 Thread Scott Weeks
--- william.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com On 6/23/13 12:48 AM, Scott Weeks wrote: By security protocol do you mean encrypting the traffic? Like what a Fastlane does? http://www.gdc4s.com/Documents/Products/SecureVoiceData

Re: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-22 Thread Scott Weeks
? Like what a Fastlane does? http://www.gdc4s.com/Documents/Products/SecureVoiceData/NetworkEncryption/GD-FASTLANE-w.pdf scott

Re: huawei

2013-06-18 Thread Scott Helms
to lots of data, they'd never be considered as targets for data interception. To that point there are other, better, places to intercept data that has both better throughput and fewer challenges (ie less expensive). Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000

Re: huawei

2013-06-15 Thread Scott Helms
is much more realistic and leveraging PCs is several orders of magnitude better because there is much more available horsepower and its much easier to make a PC passively listen for interesting data on its own. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000

Re: huawei

2013-06-15 Thread Scott Helms
of communication that it can't just send a copy. A core router seldom has so many spare CPU cycles free RAM that it can afford to read through the data and glean the interesting bits. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com

Re: huawei

2013-06-15 Thread Scott Helms
has or can get access to that information for a given manufacturer. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:57 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote

Re: huawei

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Helms
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 09:11:35PM -0400, Scott Helms wrote: I challenge your imagination to come up with a common scenario where a non targeted I'm/they're here that's useful to either the company or the Chinese government

Re: huawei

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Helms
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:21:09 -0400, Scott Helms said: How? There is truly not that much room in the IP packet to play games and if you're modifying all your traffic this would again be pretty easy to spot. Again

Re: huawei

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Helms
Really? In a completely controlled network then yes, but not in a production system. There is far too much random noise and actual latency for that to be feasible. On Jun 14, 2013 7:35 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/14/13, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: backdoors

Re: huawei

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Helms
of communication system. On Jun 14, 2013 8:13 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/14/13, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Really? In a completely controlled network then yes, but not in a production system. There is far too much random noise and actual latency for that to be feasible

Re: huawei

2013-06-14 Thread Scott Helms
I was a military guyback in the day 31m and 31q to be precise. On Jun 14, 2013 9:09 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 06/14/2013 05:34 PM, Scott Helms wrote: Is it possible? Yes, but it's not feasible because the data rate would be too low. That's what I'm trying to get across

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
Not really, no one has claimed it's impossible to hide traffic. What is true is that it's not feasible to do so at scale without it becoming obvious. Steganography is great for hiding traffic inside of legitimate traffic between two hosts but if one of my routers starts sending cay photos

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
was that they might have installed a secret kill-switch to be activated against 'enemy' nodes in time of war was an cyber shock and awe campaign. mg On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 06/13/2013 10:20 AM, Scott Helms wrote: Not really, no one has claimed

Re: huawei (ZTE too)

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Weeks
-) scott

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Weeks
. - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sps32/ches2012-backdoor.pdf scott

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
amount of time looking at botnet traffic which has the same kind of requirements. On Jun 13, 2013 6:45 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: if one of my routers starts sending cat photos somewhere, no matter how cute, I'm

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
8:39 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 06/13/2013 05:28 PM, Scott Helms wrote: Bill, Certainly everything you said is correct and at the same time is not useful for the kinds traffic interception that's been implied. 20 packets of random traffic capture is extraordinarily

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
. Something has to pass rules to the box to be able trigger off of. On Jun 13, 2013 9:53 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 06/13/2013 06:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote: Not at all Michael, but that is a targeted piece of data and that means a command and control system. I challenge your

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
Targeted how without an active CC system? On Jun 13, 2013 10:01 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/13/13, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: It should be trivial to prove to yourself the box is, or is not, doing something evil if you actually try. What if it's not doing

Re: huawei

2013-06-13 Thread Scott Helms
infrastructure. Kill switches and secret back doors are all feasible but the rest of this is fantasy. On Jun 13, 2013 10:05 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: On 06/13/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Helms wrote: What you're describing is a command and control channel unless you're suggesting

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
|term3' or cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less ;-) scott

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
--- do...@dougbarton.us wrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less Prototypical useless use of cat :) - What would you use

Re: Prism continued

2013-06-12 Thread Scott Weeks
On Jun 12, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- do...@dougbarton.us wrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us On 06/12/2013 05:13 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: cat /var/log/router.log | egrep -v 'term1|term2|term3' | less Prototypical useless use of cat

RE: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project

2013-06-10 Thread Scott Weeks
-and-regional/nsa-claims-know-how-to-ensure-no-illegal-spying/article_ec623964-d23a-53c6-aeb0-14bf325a7f3c.html scott

Re: Cat-5 cables near 200 Paul, SF

2013-05-31 Thread Scott Howard
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: We talked about this the other day. I think the consensus was.. In San Fran, you're best off to head over to Fry's. The nearest Frys to SF is about 30 miles away in Palo Alto. Scott

Re: Looking for Netflow analysis package

2013-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
On May 17, 2013 1:54 PM, John Starta j...@starta.org wrote: On May 17, 2013, at 8:24 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2013 15:16:22 -0700, Scott Weeks said: He DOES NOT need a 260 word signature (see below!) to make sure he does not get UCE from posting to NANOG

Re: Looking for Netflow analysis package

2013-05-16 Thread Scott Weeks
signature (see below!) to make sure he does not get UCE from posting to NANOG. For any other sales folks out there considering doing this, Brent's warning is a good one: It's a sure fire way to get your company blacklisted among IT professionals. scott ps. WTF

RE: Looking for Netflow analysis package

2013-05-15 Thread Scott Berkman
://www.internap.com/business-internet-connectivity-services/route-optimi zation-flow-control/ Good luck, -Scott -Original Message- From: Erik Sundberg [mailto:esundb...@nitelusa.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Looking for Netflow analysis package

Re: ISIS and OSPF together

2013-05-12 Thread Scott Morris

Re: Google Public DNS Problems?

2013-05-01 Thread Scott Howard
No issues on Comcast cable in the bay area, either Comcast business or Comcast home. Scott $ nslookup gmail.com 8.8.4.4 Server: 8.8.4.4 Address:8.8.4.4#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: gmail.com Address: 74.125.239.149 Name: gmail.com Address: 74.125.239.150 On Wed

Re: Google Wants to Create a Dotless Domain Called Search..?

2013-04-13 Thread Scott Weeks
32,000 to USD 56,000 (or more) and with a three-member panel it could range from USD 70,000 to USD 122,000 (or more). etc. Seems a lot to someone like me. Hopefully my explanation won't light flame throwers. I just want to explain my statement. scott

Re: Google Wants to Create a Dotless Domain Called Search..?

2013-04-12 Thread Scott Weeks
. scott

Re: Google incorrect IPv6 GeoIP

2013-04-12 Thread Scott Howard
. :) But likely caused by exactly the same problem - with the distinction between between GeoIP of the DNS server and GeoIP of the client itself. (Keeping in mind that the DNS lookup could be occurring over IPv4, especially in the first example) Scott

Re: Speedtest Results speedtest.net vs Mikrotik bandwidth test

2013-04-03 Thread Scott Weeks
bandwidth, but I was surprised that their system gave such wrong results under what were effectively lab conditions. -- It'd be nice to know if NDT was not accurate as well. Anyone tested it? scott

RE: RFC 1149

2013-04-02 Thread Scott Berkman
Hey careful, Pigeons have won this fight before: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8248056.stm -Original Message- From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:37 PM To: Jeff Kell Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: RFC 1149 Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that

Re: Speedtest Results speedtest.net vs Mikrotik bandwidth test

2013-04-02 Thread Scott Weeks
, speedtest sent only latin text in large packets. NDT tests much more. The customers just use a web browser and the only caveat is they need to have Java working. Here's one to get a feeling of what your customers will see: http://ndt.anl.gov:7123 scott

Re: New Product Launch from 2600hz

2013-04-01 Thread Scott Weeks
--- j...@2600hz.com wrote: From: Joshua Goldbard j...@2600hz.com It's going to completely revolutionize communications. --- Ummm, yeah. Lemme know how that goes for you... scott (but not on NANOG)

Re: RFC 1149

2013-04-01 Thread Scott Weeks
as is. Itty bitty rocket motors. One on each wing tip. Just have to make sure they're balanced, so they don't go into routing loops. WMAP (wing motor aggregation protocol? :) scott

Re: Open Resolver Problems

2013-03-29 Thread Scott Noel-Hemming
On 03/25/2013 08:44 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:38:01 -, Nick Hilliard said: On 25/03/2013 14:33, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I would like to be able to request an IP list of open resolvers in my ASN, perhaps sent to the contact details in RIPE whois database to

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS that almost broke the Internet

2013-03-27 Thread Scott Weeks
- Got a link that we don't have to allow cookies and have to create an account to read? scott

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS that almost broke the Internet

2013-03-27 Thread Scott Weeks
against Spamhaus for “abusing their influence.” scott

Re: Cloudflare, and the 120Gbps DDOS that almost broke the Internet

2013-03-27 Thread Scott Weeks
...Sven Olaf Kamphuis, an Internet activist who said he was a spokesman for the attackers... I wonder is he'll ever post here again as he has in the past. It probably would not go well for him if he did... scott

Re: Comcast NOC Contact

2013-03-07 Thread Scott Helms
NOC Contact Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 04:17:04 -0500 Could someone from Comcast's NOC contact me off-list? We're seeing some traffic take a strange route on its way back to some Comcast prefixes from several of our systems. Thank you! -Rob -- Scott Helms Vice President

Re: cannot access some popular websites from Linode, geolocation is wrong, ARIN is to blame?

2013-03-03 Thread Scott Howard
and the likelihood of such behavioral (with Linode and Hetzner pretty much being at the top of that list) Scott.

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-21 Thread Scott Weeks
. The report was mainly for reporters. That's why they had the omg sound byte bullet points at the top. It's also why they had to explain several low level things in detail. snip Maybe it was meant to be found. That is a definite possibility. scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-21 Thread Scott Weeks
something I just saw that says it better than I can... http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/02/21/the-shanghai-army-unit-that-hacked-115-u-s-targets-likely-wasnt-even-chinas-a-team/2/ scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
? scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
--- calin.chior...@secdisk.net wrote: From: calin.chiorean calin.chior...@secdisk.net snipped :: when all tools are available for windows os, you just have to compile them. sniped out the rest - They're not all available for m$. scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
them. sniped out the rest - From: Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com ::: They're not all available for m$. --- wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote: From: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com They are when you have

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
, --- bzt. Wrong answer. Please study more. Next! scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
... ;-) scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
. scott ps. If you gottem both, well that's a whole other thingie.

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
infrastructure. scott

Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
on their computers, only know M$ and don't have the knowledge to don't click on that bank email. Technically, it was 74 pages of yawn. Don't waste your time unless you're interested in how they found out where the attack was originating from and how they tied it to the .cn gov't. scott

Re: Network security on multiple levels (was Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat)

2013-02-20 Thread Scott Weeks
encryptors are all about; use them. - I would sure be interested in hearing about hands-on operational experiences with encryptors. Recent experiences have left me with a sour taste in my mouth. blech! scott

Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-17 Thread Scott Howard
... Scott.

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-13 Thread Scott Helms
information isn't going to convince anyone. Keep on this track and you're just going to be ignored by most people on the list. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: Scott Helms wrote: Numbers? Examples? Greenfield SS and PON deployment costs

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-12 Thread Scott Helms
If the L1 provider's responsibility ends at the jack on the outside NIU, as an ILEC's does today with copper, then you have clean separation and easy access for both initial installation and for later troubleshooting--clear benefits that help mitigate nearly all the problems Scott refers

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-12 Thread Scott Helms
own.) -- William McCall -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-12 Thread Scott Helms
other than a media converter or router with an appropriate SFP. Owen Just so you know, this isn't viable, at least not to scale. You can on the other hand use Cisco's ME line to do this even less expensively (so long as you weren't planning on buying used 6509). -- Scott Helms Vice

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-12 Thread Scott Helms
. Masataka Ohta -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-12 Thread Scott Helms
wrote: On 2/11/13 4:16 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: Scott Helms wrote: IMO if you can't pay for the initial build quickly and run it efficiently then your chances of long term success are very low. That is not a business model for infrastructure such as gas

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-12 Thread Scott Helms
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: Scott Helms wrote: Numbers? Examples? Greenfield SS and PON deployment costs in Japan was already shown. Japan has one of the highest population densities of major economies in the world

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-11 Thread Scott Helms
. --Stephen Hawking -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-11 Thread Scott Helms
God does not play dice. --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSSdice at every possible opportunity. --Stephen Hawking -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-11 Thread Scott Helms
Lol, I didn't say all of them were doing that yet. On Feb 11, 2013 3:50 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: If you're a large MSO (say top 15) then I can see it with today's technology, but even those

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-11 Thread Scott Helms
. --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSSdice at every possible opportunity. --Stephen Hawking -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network

2013-02-11 Thread Scott Helms
I meant to add in more info, but my mobile Gmail client betrayed me. On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Lol, I didn't say all of them were doing that yet. On Feb 11, 2013 3:50 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3

Re: Fiber project/IPTV multicast

2013-02-09 Thread Scott Helms
However you get your video feed you can encode it as ip and feed it out to your shelves as IGMP streams. This is the normal way to handle linear programming. On Feb 9, 2013 2:03 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Do any of the people who've worked with some of the IPTV delivery services

Re: Fiber project/IPTV multicast

2013-02-09 Thread Scott Helms
More accurately you'll do MPEG 4 streams controlled by IGMP. On Feb 9, 2013 3:55 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: However you get your video feed you can encode it as ip and feed it out to your shelves as IGMP streams. This is the normal way to handle linear programming. On Feb 9

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-07 Thread Scott Helms
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote: The cost difference in a single interface card to carry an OC-3/12 isn't significantly more than a Gig-E card. Now, as I said there is no advantage to doing ATM, but the real

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-07 Thread Scott Helms
On Feb 7, 2013 12:24 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2013, Scott Helms wrote: That has not been demonstrated in the market. There are lots of people who say this, generally they're involved in building fiber plants, but in the US and Canada I've not seen a single

Re: Metro Ethernet, VPLS clarifications

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
-- Regards, Abzal -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
thumb and learn the lesson that way. -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
L1 unbundling. Masataka Ohta -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
. Masataka Ohta -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com writes: In that case its even harder. Before you even consider doing open access talk to your FTTx vendor and find out how many they have done using the same architecture you're

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
of broadband environment, because of high cost to the customers. Masataka Ohta -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms

Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
is _conflating_, not _confounding_. Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com writes: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Robert E. Seastrom [[r...@seastrom.com]] wrote: Scott Helms [[khe...@zcorum.com]] writes: In that case its even harder. Before you even consider doing open

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
inexpensive Layer 1 connectivity things would be different. How, Scott, would you expect that sort of thing might happen? By people taking the first step? Yeah; thought so. There are more first steps that are never followed up than people actually starting a trend. There is a guy in my

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274 -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http

Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
Robert, Thanks for the information, I either missed VLAN per sub set up which does make PON L2 sharing virtually the same as AE or the version of hardware/firmware I last worked on didn't support it. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Scott Helms khe

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: Scott Helms wrote: Actually, at the level that Eric's discussing there isn't any real drawback to using ATM. High cost is the real drawback. The cost difference in a single interface card to carry

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
, but that doesn't invalidate your point, that's not a good platform for the LNS side. On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca wrote: On 13-02-06 16:53, Scott Helms wrote: You realize that most commonly the L2TP LAC and LNS are just routers right? You're

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Masataka Ohta mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp wrote: Scott Helms wrote: The cost difference in a single interface card to carry an OC-3/12 isn't significantly more than a Gig-E card. Now, as I said there is no advantage to doing ATM, but the real cost

Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?

2013-02-06 Thread Scott Helms
of router based). I'd agree. Its a better way of doing L2 unbundling than PPPoE. Its just PPPoE had the sharing concept baked into it so it was easy for most operators to use historically. -- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http

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