Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?
On 3/20/21 6:13 AM, Niels Bakker wrote: * r...@gsp.org (Rich Kulawiec) [Sat 20 Mar 2021, 14:03 CET]: 2. This is a low-traffic list, so even without appropriate mail client support it's really not a big deal. The volume isn't the point, the S:N ratio is. Mails like this thread's starter are off-topic and reduce the value of the list to its subscribers. Your reasoning is easy, common and fallacious. Speaking of "this thread's starter" -- unless I've lost track of the thread here completely haha -- this all got started because one infrequent poster decided that he had to be Hall Monitor(tm) and chide others about List Etiquette(tm) My personal solution to that Hall Monitor remains the same as it's been for $very_long_time Thunderbird Email --> Message Filters --> Select Filter "NANOG" Thunderbird Email --> Message Filters "NANOG" --> add Hall Monitor Thunderbird Email --> Message Filters "NANOG" --> add offending thread subject Thunderbird Email --> [select Folder "NANOG"] Thunderbird Email --> Tools --> Run Filters on Folder **poof** I'm sure those who are more cunning can figure out something with procmail and mutt and all, but I'm older now and more ... gooey... - John --
Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts
On 2/17/21 8:07 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2021, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: Not sure where you’re finding those numbers but I believe they are not accurate. U.S. Energy Information Administration (part of the Department of Energy) https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a This article is an interest description of Texas electricity pricing for one provider and for the market in general: "Some retail power companies in Texas are making an unusual plea to their customers amid a deep freeze that has sent electricity prices skyrocketing: Please, leave us. Power supplier, Griddy, told all 29,000 of its customers that they should switch to another provider as spot electricity prices soared to as high as $9,000 a megawatt-hour. Griddy’s customers are fully exposed to the real-time swings in wholesale power markets, so those who don’t leave soon will face extraordinarily high electricity bills." The catch: "Hector Torres, an energy trader in Texas, who is a Griddy customer himself, said he tried to switch services over the long weekend but couldn’t find a company willing to take him until Wednesday, when the weather is forecast to turn warmer." https://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/2021/02/16/electricity-retailer-griddys-unusual-plea-to-texas-customers-leave-now-before-you-get-a-big-bill/ - John --
Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts
On 2/16/21 4:22 AM, John Sage wrote: On 2/15/21 10:02 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 2/16/21 07:49, Matthew Petach wrote: Isn't that a result of ERCOT stubbornly refusing to interconnect with the rest of the national grid, out of an irrational fear of coming under federal regulation? Yes. This has been widely documented in numerous articles, both very recently and previously. As one example only, of many: "What went wrong with the Texas power grid?" Marcy de Luna, Amanda Drane, Houston Chronicle Feb. 15, 2021 Updated: Feb. 15, 2021 9:23 p.m. "Dan Woodfin, ERCOT’s senior director of system operations, said the rolling blackouts are taking more power offline for longer periods than ever before. An estimated 34,000 megawatts of power generation — more than a third of the system’s total generating capacity — had been knocked offline by the extreme winter weather amid soaring demand as residents crank up heating systems." . . . "Ed Hirs, an energy fellow in the Department of Economics at the University of Houston, blamed the failures on the state’s deregulated power system, which doesn’t provide power generators with the returns needed to invest in maintaining and improving power plants. “The ERCOT grid has collapsed in exactly the same manner as the old Soviet Union,” said Hirs. “It limped along on underinvestment and neglect until it finally broke under predictable circumstances." https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Wholesale-power-prices-spiking-across-Texas-15951684.php - John __
Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts
On 2/15/21 10:02 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 2/16/21 07:49, Matthew Petach wrote: Isn't that a result of ERCOT stubbornly refusing to interconnect with the rest of the national grid, out of an irrational fear of coming under federal regulation? Yes. This has been widely documented in numerous articles, both very recently and previously. I suspect that trying to be self-sufficient works most of the time--but when you get to the edges of the bell curve locally, your ability to be resilient and survive depends heavily upon your ability to be supported by others around you. This certainly holds true for individual humans; I suspect power grids aren't that different. If there was a state-wide blackout, they'd need to restart from the national grid anyway. Why not have some standing interconnection agreement with them anyway, that gets activated in cases such as these? Sorry, unfamiliar with U.S. politics in this regard, so just doing 1+1. "Sorry, unfamiliar with U.S. politics in this regard, so just doing 1+1" You don't understand Texas politics relative to the United States at large. Which is fine, but this is a state that had deliberately prevented interconnects (see: ERCOT, above) into any extended national grid, principally to evade the resulting exposure to Federal regulation. Texas [politicians] are constantly threatening to secede. - John --
Re: Past policies versus present and future uses
On 1/24/21 3:15 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: Hi Jordi, I've adjusted the subject line to reflect the real thrust of this discussion. [edits Message Filters to include string "Past policies versus present and future uses" in Subject] [selects folder "NANOG" in Thunderbird: All Folders] [selects Tools --> Run Filters on Folder] Bring it. My Trash ain't half full. The question about moderators still holds. And yes, for those wondering, I *have* unsubscribed about three or four times over -- what? -- a good fifteen years or more... - John --
Re: Nice work Ron
On 1/24/21 2:18 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: If you don't like it, stop complaining, and send a policy proposal, It is wast of time to complain or to modify practically obsoleted policy. Masataka Ohta [selects folder "NANOG" in Thunderbird: All Folders] [selects Tools --> Run Filters on Folder] **BOOM** Where'd "Ron" go? Oh. Ron's up in the Trash. Again. Also, are there no moderators on this list at all? - John --
Re: Re Parler
On 1/14/21 4:09 PM, Mike Bolitho wrote: And now, with prejudice, I'm requesting that this thread get moderated, before anyone *else* volunteers to jump off a bridge. List admins, for real. This has run its course just like I said it would several days ago. It is 100% speculative, has nothing to do with network operations, and requires actual lawyers with access to the case information and witnesses to figure out what's going on. And as Jay said, it's getting stupid. I second the motion. I've been following this issue very closely since the start on what might be called Legal Twitter (actual attorneys practicing actual law at the Federal level in civil, criminal, appellate, constitutional and intellectual property cases) and it's become painfully clear that 98% of the people replying to this topic here have 1) no idea what they're talking about, and 2) a more- and more-obvious political/philosophical agenda of one stripe or another I've been wholesale deleting for days now. Put a stake in 'er, Jim, she's dead. - John --
Re: Parler
On 1/10/21 7:13 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote: Yes, significantly. Two observations: 1) you know not one thing about the laws of the United States of America 2) a google search for your email's domain name leads to nothing but a blank web page, and a Facebook page for some sort of Philippine video game page and a Twitter account apparently with 0 tweets, and with 4 followers, 2 of whom seem to be porn and 2 of which seem to be MLM scams Make of all that what you will. Speaking only for myself, *plonk* - John --
Re: cloud backup
On 7/26/20 1:45 PM, Tony Wicks wrote: Did I miss something? Is this list now the newbie product questions list? That awkward moment when someone apparently thinks that the author of: A Basic FidoNet(r) Technical Standard Revision 16 by Randy Bush, Pacific Systems Group September 30, 1995 is... ...what was the word? A "newbie"? hmm... - John -- John Sage
Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior
On 5/30/20 11:58 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: [This post may portray opinions as facts, click to see the post] On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 21:55, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the product. I don't understand why anyone, especially anyone frequenting NANOG, would use Cloudflare for their DNS. [promised myself I wouldn't get pulled off into any smoldering flamewars] [oh well. fools rush in ] Actually I used to run a caching-only nameserver using bind, as well as my own email server using sendmail, behind an ipchains/iptables firewall on a Linux box that was also running snort. This would have been about (counts fingers; toes) maybe 1998-99. So I have done this for myself, thank-you-very-much. Times are a little more complicated now and I've come to want my own personal life to be a little simpler, again, thank-you-very-much. Then (or finally) not to be pedantic, but I did open with: >> FULL DISCLOSURE: this is an end-user issue, but one that might have >>some operational relevance, particularly if anyone from Cloudflare DNS >>is on the list "End-user" No one should say they weren't warned. #EOF - John -- John Sage FinchHaven Digital Photography Box 2541, Vashon, WA 98070 Email: js...@finchhaven.com Web: https://finchhaven.smugmug.com/ Old web: http://www.finchhaven.com/ Cell: 206.595.3604
Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior
FULL DISCLOSURE: this is an end-user issue, but one that might have some operational relevance, particularly if anyone from Cloudflare DNS is on the list EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: twice in six weeks Cloudflare DNS on my new Netgear Orbi cable modem/mesh WiFi hotspot has completely lost track of one (and only one that I know of) prominent US domain: usbank dot com Internet provider: Comcast/Xfinity "Extreme Pro+" Dynamic IP address via Comcast that hasn't changed in six-seven years New Netgear Orbi cable modem, configured with DNS through Cloudflare (1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1) Again, twice in 6 weeks Cloudflare DNS seems to loose complete track of usbank dot com as a domain Symptoms: Firefox on Ubuntu Linux returns that little puzzled dinosaur cartoon thing and "We can't seem to find this website right now" BUT ALSO: Each one of ping, traceroute, dig and host returns Host usbank . com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) or some variant thereof Everything else works "just fine" as the saying goes And the Cloudflare DNS drop lasted for days the first time around I can switch over to Google DNS (8.8.8.8 and 8.4.4.8) in the Orbi and immediately fix the problem So. Seems odd that Cloudflare DNS would apparently loose complete track of a major US domain name like usbank dot com Or am I missing something? - John -- John Sage FinchHaven Digital Photography Email: js...@finchhaven.com Web: https://finchhaven.smugmug.com/ Old web: http://www.finchhaven.com/
Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?
On 11/20/19 1:41 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: Thanks everyone for the replies. My conclusion is that no one here knows whether HKIX handles 99% of internet traffic for HK or not. It's a number. mmm... Since you clearly did *not* read any of the previous replies or chose to ignore them, the odds of your just trolling the list is beginning to approach ... wait for it ... 99% But for sake of argument, any article that's headlined "Here's The Real Reason Why..." should be ignored completely. See: Tyler Durden and Zerohedge as one. Anyone who's eager to tell you the "Real Reason(tm)" for anything is trolling for clicks. Then, as to Internet traffic, the probability that 99% of *all* Internet traffic to one global political entity (Hong Kong) goes through one single physical location that just happens to be a university currently experiencing student protests is ... yeah... I take it you know nothing about Internetworking? Or, again, Zerohedge? /fin - John --
Re: 99% of HK internet traffic goes thru uni being fought over?
On 11/19/19 1:43 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote: Is this plausible? https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/heres-real-reason-why-hong-kong-authorities-are-desperate-regain-control-university or http://tinyurl.com/slwchx8 uh... Zerohedge has been (at worst) a Russian asset for a good five-eight years. At best, a Russian dupe. Not credible in the least. Don't @ me -- if you don't keep up with the orientation and credibility of disinformation shill web sites like Zerohedge that's on you, not me. - John --
Sony PlayStation Vue, was Re: Disney+ Streaming
On 11/12/19 11:49 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: I see the Disney service went live today, with some load issues according to various news reports and down detector. Is it well known where the newly released Disney+ streaming service content is sourced? Are they using their own servers on AS22604 or using one or more of the established CDNs? Or something combination or something else entirely? As the service grows in popularity, and its breadth of content and manageable price is likely to attract a lot of growth, I'd like to plan for any necessary augmentations to the network. I have not yet seen a noticeable change in traffic trends locally but I am sure during the evening time it is likely to be more apparent where it all comes from. Apropos of something, Sony has announce that it's pulling the plug on its PlayStation Vue Internet streaming TV service via the PlayStation PS4 platform, effective January 30, 2020. Might free-up some bandwidth for someone, somewhere... Ref: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/network/vue/faq/plan-updates/ - John --
Re: Is anybody else getting spam from cytranet.com?
On 10/22/19 5:41 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: I'm guessing -- because spammer Ben Reynolds (breyno...@cytranet.com) wrote to me about voice/data services -- that it's possible they've been scraping addresses from here. This exact issue received exhaustive coverage over on the Outages (outa...@outages.org) email list under "[outages] sales critter Ben Reynolds" starting back on the 19th. - John -- John Sage
Re: This endless pissing contest is operational, how? Re: Elad Cohen
On 9/19/19 9:03 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Sep 19, 2019, at 9:08 AM, John Sage wrote: On 9/19/19 3:25 AM, Elad Cohen wrote: Mr. Ronald Guilmette Are there *any* moderators #OnHere at all? Moderators? No. Anyone subscribed to the list can post anything at any time. But posts are reviewed after the fact if there is suspicion or accusations of AUP violation. That is not a real-time process. Give them a day or so. In the mean time, may I suggest procmail (or whatever your MTA/MUA's filtering system is called)? Yes. Already getting hits in my killfile (as I still call it; I'm old...) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/procmail.1.html - John --
This endless pissing contest is operational, how? Re: Elad Cohen
On 9/19/19 3:25 AM, Elad Cohen wrote: Mr. Ronald Guilmette Are there *any* moderators #OnHere at all?
Re: who attacks the weather channel?
On 4/18/19 8:26 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 03:16:34PM +, Kain, Rebecca (.) wrote a message of 69 lines which said: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/media/weather-channel-hack/index.html May be these people? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground umm... Thinking this was a joke that, by the replies I've seen, most people are too young to get the reference to radical 60's politics Also it seems no one actually clicked through on the link, which would have suggested this *sigh* - John --
Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]
On 02/17/2019 06:03 PM, Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan wrote: Hello Everyone, - John
Re: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet
On 07/23/2018 10:02 AM, Bryan Holloway wrote: This thread needs to go elsewhere. Seriously. After that 5,000-post long "Proving Gig Speed" thread (that now seems to be entirely bored sysops-sysadmin who check the list once ever few days and reply to four or five posts and then leave for days) and now the Climate Change Deniers troll-of-the-week, it's getting to be about time to unsubscribe. Again. For the fourth or fifth time... - John -- John Sage FinchHaven Digital Photography Web: https://finchhaven.smugmug.com/ Old web: http://www.finchhaven.com/
FWIW... Re: TEST Help? TEST
On 06/12/2018 01:10 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: Apologies for the noise. Please hit delete... Once again I am not able to send email to the list and have either been moderated off again (for some mistake or some unknown reason why) or something else is going on. Sent email to admins@, but no response, so this is just a test to see if anything gets through. FWIW this is what I've seen, by date/time... - John
Re: Canada joins the 21st century !
On 12/23/2016 05:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The government getting involved with the Internet rarely goes well. The FCC is a shining example of how to usually do it wrong. I agree. To hell with 'government'. What has it done for you lately, anyway? Canada should just have Comcast (or is it "Xfinity"?) provided nation-wide Internet service as a for-profit monopoly. Problem solved! - John --
Re: Was a 1956 Video Phone User - On the Internet ?
Larry Sheldon wrote: On 4/4/2010 05:00, IPv3.com wrote: Based on these ASCII notes...(c. 1995 cave paintings)... http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1775.txt Was a 1956 Video Phone User - On the Internet ? http://www.porticus.org/bell/telephones-picturephone.html Is a 2010 HDTV (ATSC DLNA) viewer - On the Internet ? Note for IPv6 archeologists...Mobile Digital TV went with IPv4+Shim http://www.atsc.org Funding of the so-called Eco-System (aka Idle Rich Society) also appears to define The Internet in some circles. It appears 100+ people live off of Internet Fees for doing largely nothing. They of course travel to explain why that structure is essential. Is it ? Are you sure you are on the right platform--sounds more like I would expect to hear in Amherst or Sproul hall. Or did you just forget to mention your point? To answer the question in the Subject: (the last time anything made sense to me in that message): No. It was an experiment in the PANS branch of POTS (PSTN to some people). The degree to which people subscribed to this list, apparently having nothing better to do, will respond to a blatant troll is breathtaking. Of course recent evidence shows quite clearly that [some] people subscribed to this list, apparently having nothing better to do, will respond to anything... - John
Kill this thread: Re: Email Portability Approved by Knesset Committee
Larry Sheldon wrote: On 2/23/2010 4:43 AM, Cian Brennan wrote: As has been pointed out several times, they can easily be pretty close. Simply force them to send using the outgoing server of their new ISP, but allow them to still access their mailbox (which is really the only important bit the ISP hosts) over pop/imap/whatever. It's not free, but given that the average ISP seems to give you only a few MB or space, it's hardly going to break the bank. and they get shut down for TOS violations (for extra credit, whose TOS will apply?)(for more extra credit, who orders the shutdown?) they take their portable address somewhere else. Now what?
Re: UltraDNS Failure?
Mark Pace wrote: Anyone else having problems resolving DNS from UltraDNS? I'm seeing this: $ dig www.ultradns.com @8.8.8.8 Yeah, they went belly up in the last 20 or so. Hard. Looks like it's hitting some of Amazon's Cloud stuff too. It seems west coast related, by the way. On the west coast here. They went at 4:44pm (Pacific). Recovered at this point... Not from Seattle WA via Comcast HSI: js...@spunky:$ dig www.ultradns.com @8.8.8.8 ; DiG 9.6.1-P2 www.ultradns.com @8.8.8.8 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 21733 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.ultradns.com. IN A ;; Query time: 65 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Wed Dec 23 17:29:41 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 34 Also images on my web site are not loading from s3.amazonaws.com - John
