On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM, PC paul4...@gmail.com wrote:
While there may be other grounds for telling them not to call you, the
do not call list is not one of them as it does not apply to business
to business solicitations.
The national Do-Not-Call list protects home voice or personal
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Marshall Eubanks
marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM, PC paul4...@gmail.com wrote:
While there may be other grounds for telling them not to call you, the
do not call list is not one of them as it does not apply to business
to
Marshall Eubanks marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM, PC paul4...@gmail.com wrote:
While there may be other grounds for telling them not to call you, the
do not call list is not one of them as it does not apply to business
to business solicitations.
The
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Robert Bonomi
bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
Marshall Eubanks marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM, PC paul4...@gmail.com wrote:
While there may be other grounds for telling them not to call you, the
do not call list is not
In message cafanwturrogjzf0ffazhs8qonzq2w4h7dqwdcwa+pumnqci...@mail.gmail.com
, Darius Jahandarie writes:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Robert Bonomi
bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote:
Marshall Eubanks marshall.euba...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:46 AM, PC
Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
A Kia and Ferrari can both get me from point a to point b, but the Ferrari is capable of getting me there way quicker, and yes I'm going to pay a premium for it but if I'm going from NYC to San Fran I'd definitely feel safer in the Ferrari reliability wise and get there a
Vollebregt [mailto:t...@interworx.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:33 PM
To: nanog list
Subject: Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
+1 for Cogent in the mix :)
People with a clue in their NOC, near zero routing issues in last 1,5 years.
On May 15, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Anurag Bhatia wrote:
The only issue I saw
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
I liked Cogent when we had them years ago but due to routing instability
(off the charts) and unplanned down time every single month we dropped
them. they call me every 3-6 months (different person each time) and I
While there may be other grounds for telling them not to call you, the
do not call list is not one of them as it does not apply to business
to business solicitations.
The national Do-Not-Call list protects home voice or personal
wireless phone numbers only. While you may be able to register a
We use Cogent as one our upstreams and have had nothing but stability
and excellent support over the years. But as other said, you really need
multiple upstreams and cannot rely just on one whether it is Cogent or
any other provider.
Mark
On 5/14/2012 6:03 PM, Jason Baugher wrote:
The
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From: Mark Stevens [mailto:mana...@monmouth.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:22 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
We use Cogent as one our upstreams and have had nothing but stability
and excellent support over the years. But as other said, you really need
multiple
Let me say it differently.
Take a look at thier AS174 peering relationship, (e.g using
bgp.he.net), you can see that they (Cogent) are very well connected
(directly) with all of the major networks. (this is what I meant by,
they deal with all of the major carriers).
Your experience with
I appreciate the reference to bgp.he.net, I had not used that tool before.
We've worked with Sprint for years, and they have always been excellent
for reliability and support. We recently picked up Level3, and so far
they have been very good as well. It's a small thing, maybe, but I like
that
possible cause for an outage.
--Original Message--
From: Mark Stevens
To: nanog@nanog.org
ReplyTo: mana...@monmouth.com
Subject: Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
Sent: May 15, 2012 7:21 AM
We use Cogent as one our upstreams and have had nothing but stability
and excellent support over
the L3/Global Crossing merger as far as
pricing?
-Drew
-Original Message-
From: Justin Krejci [mailto:jkre...@usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:03 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
+1 for cogent, problem free and good responsive support.
Not sure why
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:38:34PM -0500, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier 1s
but if you throw them in a blend with level3 there shouldn't be any
issue and I wouldn't pay more the .75 cents a meg for a gig
That's $7.50 per 1000mbps. Sign
Keep in mind http://bgp.he.net is not always accurate. It is a great
start but even after years of pointing it out there are adjacencies
missing and oddly some listed as direct where no relationship even
exists.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jason Baugher ja...@thebaughers.com wrote:
I
Message-
From: Paul WALL [mailto:pauldotw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:58 PM
To: Michael J McCafferty
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
Cogent is really better suited as a tertiary provider.
Not a bad option, but you don't want to lose redundancy when
+1 for Cogent in the mix :)
People with a clue in their NOC, near zero routing issues in last 1,5 years.
On May 15, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Anurag Bhatia wrote:
The only issue I saw with bgp.he.net is that it updates after 24hrs which
makes it hard to use for any recently made changes. But for rest
As previously mentioned, if you would like better representation in
bgp.he.net, you can provide a feed to RIPE RIS or Routeviews, as this is
where we get our data. If an adjacency is visible here, it is reported.
We do not report false adjacencies. If you have a specific question
about an
We have cogent in the mix, and I do have to say one gets what one pays for...
They are a no redundancy, no extra capacity kind of shop... This often is
noticeable when they have fiber cuts or equipment failures, it also results in
a lot more service affecting maintenance than our other
last time i checked .75 x 1000 = 750
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nicolai nicolai-na...@chocolatine.orgwrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:38:34PM -0500, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier 1s
but if you throw them in a blend with
You're using Verizon Math. ;) (If you don't know what this is, go
Google it!)
0.75 cents is not 0.75 dollars.point 75 cents == $0.0075.
$0.0075 * 1000 = $7.50
- Peter
On 12-05-15 05:51 PM, A. Pishdadi wrote:
last time i checked .75 x 1000 = 750
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM,
May 2012 16:51:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
To: Nicolai nicolai-na...@chocolatine.org
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
last time i checked .75 x 1000 = 750
0.75 CENTS (as previously claimed) per meg is 750 CENTS per gig, or
$7.50/gig.
I suspect you 'meant '75 cents' (or '$0.75
- Original Message -
From: A. Pishdadi apishd...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nicolai
nicolai-na...@chocolatine.orgwrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:38:34PM -0500, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier
1s
but
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:49:34PM -0400, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: A. Pishdadi apishd...@gmail.com
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Nicolai
nicolai-na...@chocolatine.orgwrote:
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:38:34PM -0500, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
No way
On 5/14/12, Paul WALL pauldotw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cogent is really better suited as a tertiary provider.
Not a bad option, but you don't want to lose redundancy when they get
involved in their peering dispute or de-peering du jour.
I'll agree with that; if you have less than 3 upstreams;
The emails on the Outages list reminded me to ask this question...
I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last
3 years as to their reliability and suitability as an upstream provider.
For a regional ISP looking for GigE ports in the Chicago/St. Louis area,
is
In my experience Cogent is fine when used in a BGP mix. When we used
them, our service was quite reliable. Routing was funky at times, but we
never had packet loss.
--John
On 5/14/2012 3:03 PM, Jason Baugher wrote:
The emails on the Outages list reminded me to ask this question...
I've done
Jason,
I agree with John. You can't use them as your only provider, but you
wouldn't do that with *any* provider. I will add that they answer the
phone quickly, and the person who answers usually has a clue, has access
to the routers, and can be helpful. It's one of the benefits that they
really
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-Original Message-
From: Jason Baugher ja...@thebaughers.com
Date: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:03 PM
To: nanog nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
The emails
Cogent is really better suited as a tertiary provider.
Not a bad option, but you don't want to lose redundancy when they get
involved in their peering dispute or de-peering du jour.
Drive Slow,
Paul Wall
On 5/14/12, Michael J McCafferty m...@m5computersecurity.com wrote:
Jason,
I agree with
I use Cogent as one of our upstreams at work, and I'll basically
reiterate what others have said -- overall, I'd have no problems
recommending them. Their routing can sometimes be a little weird
(though this is MUCH better now than it was a couple of years ago), so I
wouldn't necessarily use
- Original Message -
From: Jason Baugher ja...@thebaughers.com
I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last
3 years as to their reliability and suitability as an upstream provider.
Really? That surprises me; people complain about Cogent on here, roughly,
Michael J McCafferty wrote:
Jason,
I agree with John. You can't use them as your only provider, but you
wouldn't do that with *any* provider. I will add that they answer the
phone quickly, and the person who answers usually has a clue, has access
to the routers, and can be helpful. It's one
On 5/14/2012 7:30 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jason Baugherja...@thebaughers.com
I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last
3 years as to their reliability and suitability as an upstream provider.
Really? That surprises me; people
No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier 1s but if
you throw them in a blend with level3 there shouldn't be any issue and I
wouldn't pay more the .75 cents a meg for a gig
Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi
On May 14, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Jason Baugher ja...@thebaughers.com wrote:
I often tell folks, Cogent is the 'Heidi Fleiss' of the industry ..
pretty much everyone of the major carriers / providers deal with them..
but no one wants to admit it.
I don't think there is any carrier out there that could be considered
'Premium' in terms of quality of service (yeah
Has nothing to do with whether or not they deal with all the major carriers ,
they are a budget provider , always have , always will be. Aside from that what
matters the most is eye ball user connectivity and level3 , ATT, Verizon
significantly have more eye balls connected directly to there
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:27:57PM -0500, Jason Baugher wrote:
On 5/14/2012 7:30 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Jason Baugherja...@thebaughers.com
I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last
3 years as to their reliability and
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