Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-27 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 5/26/12, Matthew Palmer mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:39:16PM -0400, Luke S. Crawford wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:06:03AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: Whether $150/month or so just for BGP on a low-speed (sub-100M) link is reasonable or not depends on the SP.

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-27 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 12:34:22PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:39:16PM -0400, Luke S. Crawford wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:06:03AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: ... Feel free to turn the process around -- decide what the service is worth to you, tell the

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-26 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 5/25/12 15:12 , Seth Mattinen wrote: On 5/25/12 3:08 PM, Adam wrote: You also have to implement additional filters to protect yourself from what your client can advertise. I'm lucky enough to work for a major ISP with pretty sophisticated filters built off the public route registry, but

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-26 Thread Alex Brooks
Hello, On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote: Hello everyone I have been aggressively looking for deals in servers in Europe for anycasting. If you're looking for stuff in Europe (I'm assuming Western European EU member states, rather than states

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-26 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:06:03AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: We pay what our providers think they can get away with. Like most pricing decisions, they're not based on any technical logic, they're based on what the market will bear. Feel free to turn the process around -- decide what the

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-26 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 09:39:16PM -0400, Luke S. Crawford wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:06:03AM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: We pay what our providers think they can get away with. Like most pricing decisions, they're not based on any technical logic, they're based on what the market

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread jim deleskie
IMHO the only reason(s) would be to discourage people from asking for it, or as a $$ grab. -jim On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Anurag Bhatia m...@anuragbhatia.com wrote: Hello everyone I have been aggressively looking for deals in servers in Europe for anycasting. One thing which

RE: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Ashish Rastogi
Price is probably for high availability and high SLA standards. Ashish Rastogi From: Anurag Bhatia [m...@anuragbhatia.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 12:01 PM To: NANOG Mailing List Subject: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Jared Mauch
There are starting to be a major difference in cost for supporting bgp. Taking a look at routing table size, many people are going to see troubles around 512k routes. Placing you on a device that doesn't need a full table or one at all will result in lower capital costs and lower operational

RE: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Michael Hallgren
Le vendredi 25 mai 2012 à 16:04 +, Ashish Rastogi a écrit : Price is probably for high availability and high SLA standards. Yes, hopefully not for simple BGP route exchange...! :) mh Ashish Rastogi From: Anurag Bhatia [m...@anuragbhatia.com]

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Edward J. Dore
The only thing that I can really think of is that the BGP sessions do take up extra CPU time and memory on the routing engine, so there is an additional cost to the provider in terms of needing more routers and/or bigger routers if they have lots of customers speaking BGP to them that they may

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Adam
Edward's response nailed this one on the head. It has to do with the additional support/hardware required to support a BGP session. Granted, once a BGP session is established it rarely requires any tweaking, but I've spent hours troubleshooting a downed BGP session because the client's IPS

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/25/12 3:08 PM, Adam wrote: You also have to implement additional filters to protect yourself from what your client can advertise. I'm lucky enough to work for a major ISP with pretty sophisticated filters built off the public route registry, but not all ISPs have this functionality.

Re: Industry practice for BGP costs - one time or fixed/monthly?

2012-05-25 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 09:31:11PM +0530, Anurag Bhatia wrote: I have been aggressively looking for deals in servers in Europe for anycasting. One thing which surprises me is the setup costs for BGP. Few providers quoted additional $50-100 which looks OK but a few of them quoted as high as