Mike Hammett wrote:
In no way is what I said wrong. Incumbent operators (coax or copper
pairs) screw things up constantly (whether technically or in the
business side of things), prompting a sea of independent operators
to overbuild them (or fill in where they haven't).
See below:
:
Micro trenching...in suburban or rural deployments?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 7:59 PM Kevin Shymkiw wrote:
> Clayton,
>
> Did you leverage things like micro trenching for this project? I may be
> mislead, but I thought micro trenching these days has helped drive the cost
> of doing this down
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> (Patrick Garner)
>
> We have the same issue here in suburban Atlanta but with Comcast. The
> Comcast ped in my front yard has no cover... it's exposed to the elements.
> There's a bright orange cable run
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From: "Masataka Ohta"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 8:27:07 AM
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in
> this conversation?
I w
Mike Hammett wrote:
Where did you think that condensation was going to get you in
this conversation?
I was involved in this thread because of your totally wrong
statement of:
: I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent
: operators will succeed. ;-)
First of all, "Spectrum
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,
> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own wireli
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,
> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own wireli
Mike Hammett wrote:
Except there are literally thousands of independent ISPs in the US,
> many 10+ years old that aren't likely to be going anywhere and
> they are moving to constructing their own wireline.
Many ILECs enjoying regional monopoly should be 100+ years old:
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From: "Masataka Ohta"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 6:56:02 PM
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Maybe it's not as hard as everyone says?
That's exactly the way of thinking
Mike Hammett wrote:
Maybe it's not as hard as everyone says?
That's exactly the way of thinking by investors during
bubble.
It should be noted that corona virus not only caused
depression against which QE policy was chosen but also
forced people stay at home.
As such, investing on internet
WISP
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From: Masataka Ohta
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sat, 04 Feb 2023 02:14:30 -0600 (CST)
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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Yet the independents are doing it anyway.
Petit bubble caused by quantitative eas
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From: "Eric Kuhnke"
To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
Cc: "nanog list"
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM
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It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 10:16 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List (Patrick
Garner)
We have the same issue here in suburban Atlanta but with Comcast. The Comcast
ped in my front yard has no cover... it's exposed to the elements. There's
We have the same issue here in suburban Atlanta but with Comcast. The
Comcast ped in my front yard has no cover... it's exposed to the elements.
There's a bright orange cable running from there to my neighbor's house,
it's been there for at least 3 years. At the least, it doesn't touch my
: Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:46:01 PM
Subject: Re: Spectrum (legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or
Canada where 100% of the utilities are underground. There may be no fiber or
duct routes. Just old c
At 08:43 PM 02/02/2023, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
There is "microtrenching" and then there is
microtrenching. Very different things are
sometimes described by the same name. Some of
what Google tried to go was exceedingly shallow,
like 4 inches down. Cheap microtrenching done
too quick and too
There is "microtrenching" and then there is microtrenching. Very different
things are sometimes described by the same name. Some of what Google tried
to go was exceedingly shallow, like 4 inches down. Cheap microtrenching
done too quick and too shallow has given the concept a bad name.
There is
- On Feb 2, 2023, at 4:55 PM, Clayton Zekelman clay...@mnsi.net wrote:
> The cost is not low. Trust me on that. I've been involved in a pretty massive
> suburban fibre deployment for the past decade...
My neighborhood is currently serviced by coax only. A contractor for Frontier is
digging,
It may. We don't use it. Too many freeze/thaw
cycles each winter around here. It would get destroyed in a few years.
Google tried to cheap out in Louisville... didn't
quite work out
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/7/18215743/google-fiber-leaving-louisville-service-ending
- although that
Clayton,
Did you leverage things like micro trenching for this project? I may be
mislead, but I thought micro trenching these days has helped drive the cost
of doing this down fairly significantly.
Kevin
On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 17:56 Clayton Zekelman wrote:
>
> The cost is not low. Trust me
The cost is not low. Trust me on that. I've
been involved in a pretty massive suburban fibre
deployment for the past decade... I expect we'll
make money sometime in the 2030's... in time for me to retire.
At 12:13 PM 02/02/2023, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The cost to build
It might look low cost until you look at a post-1980s suburb in the USA or
Canada where 100% of the utilities are underground. There may be no fiber
or duct routes. Just old coax used for DOCSIS3 owned/run by the local cable
incumbent and copper POTS wiring belonging to the ILEC. The cost to
The cost to build physical layer in much of the suburban and somewhat rural
US is low enough anymore that lots of smaller, independent, ISPs are
overbuilding the incumbent with fiber and taking a big chunk of their
customer base because they are local and care. And making money while
doing it.
Mike Hammett wrote:
I selfishly hope they don't because that's where independent
operators will succeed. ;-)
Because of natural regional monopoly at physical layer (cabling
cost for a certain region is same between competitors but their
revenues are proportional to their regional market
anog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 4:18:46 PM
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I think that this really says more about the race to the bottom in last mile
residential operations.
It seems inevitable that once a last mile residential broa
I think that this really says more about the race to the bottom in last
mile residential operations.
It seems inevitable that once a last mile residential broadband operator
grows to a certain gargantuan size, the quality of the network suffers and
nobody really cares to take ownership of
legacy TWC) Infrastructure - Contact Off List
Access to the right-of-way in most areas is granted through a CATV Franchise
agreement with your municipality. This agreement will include a contact for
disputes. As another avenue, contact the local government and ask them to deal
with the sa
Access to the right-of-way in most areas is granted through a CATV
Franchise agreement with your municipality. This agreement will include
a contact for disputes. As another avenue, contact the local government
and ask them to deal with the safety issue in the public right of way
and let
On 1/31/23 2:33 PM, Gabriel Kuri via NANOG wrote:
Apparently the local infrastructure crew thinks it's OK to leave cable
running between two cans in a residential neighborhood since at least
July 2022. But it's OK, because they've cautioned them off with orange
cones, right ?
Multiple calls
Could someone from Spectrum who deals with the HFC infrastructure in
Southern California, specifically the legacy Time Warner Cable area,
contact me off list ?
Apparently the local infrastructure crew thinks it's OK to leave cable
running between two cans in a residential neighborhood since at
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