Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-08 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 08-03-2017 00:27, Dennis Bohn wrote: In addition, IPv6 has link local addresses. This one seemingly insignificant detail causes so much code churn and is probably responsible for 10 years of the IPv6 drag. AFAICT, Cisco V6 HSRP (mentioning that brand only because it caused me to try to

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-08 Thread Baldur Norddahl
ldur.nordd...@gmail.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again? Message-ID: <5645714e-e468-4655-34cf-6e70aa7cf...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed That proposal is far too wordy. Here is the executive summary: Encode

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-07 Thread Mike Jones
On 7 March 2017 at 23:27, Dennis Bohn wrote: > > > > > > In addition, IPv6 has link local addresses. > > This one seemingly insignificant detail causes so much code churn > > and is probably responsible for 10 years of the IPv6 drag. > > AFAICT, Cisco V6 HSRP (mentioning that

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-07 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Tue, 07 Mar 2017 18:27:06 -0500, Dennis Bohn said: > AFAICT, Cisco V6 HSRP (mentioning that brand only because it caused me to > try to figure something out, a coincidence that this is in reply to Jakob > from Cisco but is based on what he wrote) relies on Link Local addresses. > I didn't

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-07 Thread Dennis Bohn
> > > In addition, IPv6 has link local addresses. > This one seemingly insignificant detail causes so much code churn > and is probably responsible for 10 years of the IPv6 drag. AFAICT, Cisco V6 HSRP (mentioning that brand only because it caused me to try to figure something out, a coincidence

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <608f5c96-3134-9cdf-6f93-41d14d371...@2mbit.com>, Brielle Bruns writ es: > On 3/6/17 10:16 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 03:08:35 -0500, Joly MacFie said: > > > >> routing hardware layer that will be hit & miss. Nevertheless, since much o > f > >> the world

RE: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-07 Thread Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
and is probably responsible for 10 years of the IPv6 drag. Thakfully, site local was deprecated. Thanks, Jakob. > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 22:00:45 +0100 > From: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again? >

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote: > Lets not even get into the fact that we still can't fully utilize things > like already established standards such as ECN, EDNS, and PMTUD effectively > because firewall and security vendors still can't extricate their heads

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 3/6/17 10:16 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 03:08:35 -0500, Joly MacFie said: routing hardware layer that will be hit & miss. Nevertheless, since much of the world is still IPv4 dependent, it just could take off. For it to "take off", the very same people who have

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <59f04cec29296d59f589ee671c65edc8.squirrel@66.201.44.180>, "Bob Evans" writes: > I have had ipv4 transit with ATT for years (one provider of many)and > the order originally placed was for both ipv4 and 6yep still waiting. > > Thank You > Bob Evans > CTO Cancel your service

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Bob Evans
I have had ipv4 transit with ATT for years (one provider of many)and the order originally placed was for both ipv4 and 6yep still waiting. Thank You Bob Evans CTO > On 3/6/17 14:04, Dennis Burgess wrote: >> Well try to get ATT to announce IPv6 though our AS! Lol Been on the >> phone

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 6 Mar 2017, at 22:00, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > Encode extra address bits in extension headers. Add a network element near > the destination that converts such that the destination IP of a packet to IP > a.b.c.d with extension header containing e.f is translated

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 3/6/17 14:04, Dennis Burgess wrote: Well try to get ATT to announce IPv6 though our AS! Lol Been on the phone with the for over a month. Still no ETA :( Requests driven from the sales side should have the best results. Before Charter's sales turned into a hole of poor service, I had a

RE: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Dennis Burgess
nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again? I think only 22% of networks with an AS announce IPv6 space. Is that correct ? Thank You Bob Evans CTO > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Baldur Norddahl > <baldur.nordd...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Majo

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Bob Evans
I think only 22% of networks with an AS announce IPv6 space. Is that correct ? Thank You Bob Evans CTO > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Baldur Norddahl > wrote: >> Major ISPs have IPv6 support now. It is >> the sites (=servers) that are lacking. > > Hi Baldur, >

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > Major ISPs have IPv6 support now. It is > the sites (=servers) that are lacking. Hi Baldur, Not exactly. My Verizon FiOS does not support IPv6. Neither does my Cox Cable Internet. My Verizon Wireless service

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Baldur Norddahl
e-00 ​==​ WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again? w/ @AbrahamYChen On Tuesday March 8 2017 at noon EST the Internet Society New York Chapter (ISOC-NY) presents a webinar Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?. Abraham Y. Chen, VP of Engineering, Avinta Communications, will present his EzIP prop

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Mar 06, 2017 at 12:16:32PM -0500, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > Oh, and you're going to need support buy-in from *at least* Microsoft, Apple, > Linux, Cisco, Juniper, and a significant chunk of major makers of CPE gear. Valdis is just spouting a bunch of fake

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 03:08:35 -0500, Joly MacFie said: > routing hardware layer that will be hit & miss. Nevertheless, since much of > the world is still IPv4 dependent, it just could take off. For it to "take off", the very same people who have dragged their heels deploying IPv6 will need to

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Joly MacFie
I believe that. However it behooves us to give any of our members' ideas a fair hearing. I'm hoping he'll get some good push back in the session. Joly MacFie j...@punkcast.com 218 565 9365 On Mar 6, 2017 11:14 AM, "William Herrin" wrote: > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Joly

Re: WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread William Herrin
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:08 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > To say that Mr. Chen's EZIP proposal has not, thus far, been received with > open arms by the networking community would be an understatement. It is > seen as delaying the inevitable and introducing an impractical extra >

WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?

2017-03-06 Thread Joly MacFie
e-00 ​==​ WEBINAR TUESDAY: Can We Make IPv4 Great Again? w/ @AbrahamYChen On Tuesday March 8 2017 at noon EST the Internet Society New York Chapter (ISOC-NY) presents a webinar Can We Make IPv4 Great Again?. Abraham Y. Chen, VP of Engineering, Avinta Communications, will present