ober 24, 2018 2:54 PM
To: nanog list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
Mainly I wasn’t expounding because I’m surprised to learn that
there’s anyone on this list unfamiliar with it.
Didn’t want to bore people.
I tended to speak my mind
nflict is going
> on 9+ years..
>
> Kenny
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 2:54 PM
> To: nanog list
> Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> Mainly I wasn’t expounding because I’
twork Operators' Group"
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:51:39 AM
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
On 10/23/2018 08:47 PM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
> Sorry all. I misread Owen's email. I'm not trying to air his private
> business to the list.
There is no secret - a quick sear
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:19:41 -0700, Matthew Petach said:
> I can vouch for it.
>
> The cake was delicious and moist.
I'm glad to hear it did *some* sort of good. :)
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:54 PM Kenny Taylor wrote:
> I wasn't familiar with it, so thanks for sharing! The Google search for
> 'he cogent cake' was entertaining. Hard to believe that conflict is going
> on 9+ years..
>
> Kenny
>
I can vouch for it.
The cake was delicious and moist.
And it
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
Mainly I wasn’t expounding because I’m surprised to learn that there’s anyone
on this list unfamiliar with it.
Didn’t want to bore people.
I tended to speak my mind while I worked for HE, I’m certainly not going to
stop as a result of no longer working
[ I've largely ignored this thread based on the Subject, but saw this so
I'll change the subject to better reflect where I'm taking it. Sorry
if this is a rehashing things others my have already said. - jtk ]
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 15:32:34 +
Ross Tajvar wrote:
> I am also interested in
Mainly I wasn’t expounding because I’m surprised to learn that there’s anyone
on this list unfamiliar with it.
Didn’t want to bore people.
I tended to speak my mind while I worked for HE, I’m certainly not going to
stop as a result of no longer working there. ;-)
Owen
> On Oct 24, 2018, at
On 10/23/2018 08:47 PM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Sorry all. I misread Owen's email. I'm not trying to air his private
business to the list.
There is no secret - a quick search on the terms HE, Cogent and peering
(and possibly cake) will give you the answer. Presumably Owen is not
expounding
Sorry all. I misread Owen's email. I'm not trying to air his private
business to the list.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 8:20 PM Brad Knowles wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
>
> > I am also interested in hearing about this. I think it's relevant to the
> current thread.
>
>
On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
> I am also interested in hearing about this. I think it's relevant to the
> current thread.
Speaking only for myself, there are companies where I have done short-term
contracts, and where I am definitely not interested in any further
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL&g
tix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX
;
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
t; <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl"
> *T
stix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Baldur Norddahl"
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:
ww.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl"
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at
wisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Aaron1"
> *To: *"Mike Hammett"
> *Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:51:53 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: Whats going o
thers WISP
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron1"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 11:51:53 AM
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
If he only uses a default route then his outbound routing won’t have anything
to do with what destina
gt; From: "Baldur Norddahl"
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps peak
> from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our
t this way, I can thank Cogent and Telia for helping my get
>>> better in my ddos mitigation skills ☺ … there’s a bright side to
>>> everything huh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>&
aldur Norddahl"
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps peak from
our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is inbound traffic. We
are eyebal
of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been
>> stable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, this. Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them. Black-holing
>> HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a default route
>> from them, is dead on arrival. Sh
o
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s put it this way, I can thank Cogent and Telia for helping my get
>>>>> better in my ddos mitigation skills ☺ … there’s a bright side to
>>>>> everything huh
>>>>&g
on
*From:*NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org
<mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Crapse
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:37 PM
*To:* NANOG list
*Subject:* Re: Whats going on at Cogent
Or he's saying that cogent has the biggest
y, I can thank Cogent and Telia for helping my get
>>> better in my ddos mitigation skills J … there’s a bright side to
>>> everything huh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>&g
-boun...@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael
> Crapse
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:37 PM
> *To:* NANOG list
> *Subject:* Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
>
>
> Or he's saying that cogent has the biggest network of compromised users.
> Usually ipv4 only eyeba
[mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Michael Crapse
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:37 PM
To: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
Or he's saying that cogent has the biggest network of compromised users.
Usually ipv4 only eyeball networks tend to have the most bots on net
Or he's saying that cogent has the biggest network of compromised users.
Usually ipv4 only eyeball networks tend to have the most bots on net.
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 19:22, Niels Bakker wrote:
> * aar...@gvtc.com (Aaron1) [Wed 17 Oct 2018, 00:17 CEST]:
> >However Cogent seems to be the
* aar...@gvtc.com (Aaron1) [Wed 17 Oct 2018, 00:17 CEST]:
However Cogent seems to be the dirtiest in regards to DDOS...
however Telia might be catching up... in times past when I receive
volumetric DDOS, Cogent typically ranks with the highest on my
providers ... AT and spectrum seem to be a
Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> Midwest-IX
>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Daniel Corbe&qu
with the above.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
From: "Daniel Corbe"
To: "DaKnOb"
Cc: "NANOG"
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:44:10 AM
Subject: Re: Whats g
igent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>
>> From: "Daniel Corbe"
>> To: "DaKnOb"
>> Cc: "NANOG"
>> Sent: T
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> From: "Daniel Corbe"
> To: "DaKnOb"
> Cc: "NANOG"
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:44:10 A
ent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> From: "Daniel Corbe"
> To: "DaKnOb"
> Cc: "NANOG"
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:44:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Whats going on at Coge
: "Daniel Corbe"
To: "DaKnOb"
Cc: "NANOG"
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:44:10 AM
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
at 11:34 AM, DaKnOb wrote:
> I guess people really don’t like Cogent judging by the fact that one
> unrelated email caused all this
at 11:34 AM, DaKnOb wrote:
I guess people really don’t like Cogent judging by the fact that one
unrelated email caused all this to happen again.. :-)
Cogent have more pain points on average but they’re still the best option
for getting to other Cogent customers. It’s not really hard to
behalf of DaKnOb
>
> Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 10:06 AM
> To: Dovid Bender
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely
> cake), but when I also bring Google, then they
: Whats going on at Cogent
When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely
cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a different
provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my traffic from
there.
About the staff rotation I’ve
> On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:20 AM, Walt wrote:
>
> HE is happy to peer with Cogent and would love to solve this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
As someone who really depends upon full internet access I can’t purchase from
either supplier due to this. This mirrors what Ca By said, need a place where
@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 7:04 AM
> To: Dovid Bender
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the
> lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a
NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely
cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a different
provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my traffic from
do if i use a default route
> from them, is dead on arrival. Shows they make bad decisions and dont put
> the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NANOG on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
> rya...@atwgpc.net>
> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16,
ival. Shows they make bad decisions and
> > > dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org)>
> > > > on behalf of Ryan G
oogle ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a default route from
>> them, is dead on arrival. Shows they make bad decisions and dont put the
>> customer first, or even create such an illusion.
>>
>>
>>> From: NANOG on behalf of Ryan Gelobter
>>&
lusion.
>
>
> *From: *NANOG on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
>> rya...@atwgpc.net>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
>> *To: *NANOG
>> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone else seen terrible support and high
on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
> rya...@atwgpc.net>
> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
> *To: *NANOG
> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
>
>
>
> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
> people at Cogent the last few months?
Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:02:59 AM
Subject: Whats going on at Cogent
Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people at
Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over there internally?
I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been
at 6:04 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Whats going on at Cogent
Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people at
Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over there internally?
I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap but in the past
I think I noticed this actually start a bit longer than that. Around the
time they started charging for BGP sessions and IP blocks on existing
customers. So at least a year but I think closer to two years ago.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 6:22 AM John Hurley wrote:
> I am glad I'm not the only one.
I am glad I'm not the only one. I've noticed similar. Just when I get used
to one rep it seems I have a new one.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 6:04 AM Ryan Gelobter wrote:
> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
> people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something
Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people
at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over there
internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap but
in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems to
have
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