Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-19 Thread Neil J. McRae
Randy, On 18/09/2013 03:39, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: somehow, a serious case of testosterone poisoning combined with insane goal drift has hit a number of the large european exchanges. instead of the goal being how well they serve their local communities, they have gone wild with sleazy

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-19 Thread Niels Bakker
* ra...@psg.com (Randy Bush) [Thu 19 Sep 2013, 03:16 CEST]: you gotta love the amsix hkg charlie foxtrot. and how is that working out financially for the amsix members, the folk in the amsterdam area the amsix purportedly serves, niels? All relevant paperwork including business plans was made

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-19 Thread Niels Bakker
* n...@foobar.org (Nick Hilliard) [Thu 19 Sep 2013, 01:38 CEST]: On 18/09/2013 23:55, Niels Bakker wrote: Ding ding ding! And that's why honest IXPs graph both, to show that they have no packet loss on their inter-switch links. If in out, it's not necessarily inter-switch packet loss. The

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-19 Thread Will Hargrave
On 19 Sep 2013, at 12:32, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: I know you're a busy man so the tl;dr is that by encouraging local peering more networks will start to peer, and by partnering with one or more local carriers those new networks as well as established players in those

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-19 Thread sthaug
But isn't this all just neo-colonialism? Establish a market in the colony, but ensure through restrictive trade practices that all trade routes lead back via the mother country. Or can I buy myself connectivity to AMS-IX Amsterdam when i'm present at the LINX Harare exchange? There are

common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-19 Thread Martin Hannigan
One other important point to note. Anyone can turn up an exchange in N/A and be supported by the same. So far, only the current cadre of IXP's have stepped up to help. US entities are instead busy acquiring meet- me rooms to further box us all in even more.

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Leo Bicknell
On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: I don't know of any IXP that does this. Industry standard is as you and others wrote before: the 5-minute counter difference on all customer-facing ports, publishing both input and output bps and pps. I guess MRTG is

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Niels Bakker
* bickn...@ufp.org (Leo Bicknell) [Wed 18 Sep 2013, 19:23 CEST]: On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: I don't know of any IXP that does this. Industry standard is as you and others wrote before: the 5-minute counter difference on all customer-facing ports,

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 18/09/2013 18:23, Leo Bicknell wrote: Serious question, at an IXP shouldn't IN = OUT nearly perfectly? if you host multicast on your unicast peering lan, then this will be affected by the unicast:multicast ratio and the number of recipient ports. Most networks which support multicast will

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Niels Bakker
* ra...@psg.com (Randy Bush) [Wed 18 Sep 2013, 04:39 CEST]: somehow, a serious case of testosterone poisoning combined with insane goal drift has hit a number of the large european exchanges. instead of the goal being how well they serve their local communities, they have gone wild with sleazy

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Stephen Fulton
Ding ding ding! And that's why honest IXPs graph both, to show that they have no packet loss on their inter-switch links. It depends on what is being measured. At TorIX we'll see deviations between in/out on our aggregate graph. As we combine all peer ports to form the aggregate graph,

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 18/09/2013 23:55, Niels Bakker wrote: Ding ding ding! And that's why honest IXPs graph both, to show that they have no packet loss on their inter-switch links. If in out, it's not necessarily inter-switch packet loss. The difference between the two will also include packet loss for

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Randy Bush
somehow, a serious case of testosterone poisoning combined with insane goal drift has hit a number of the large european exchanges. instead of the goal being how well they serve their local communities, they have gone wild with sleazy means of having traffic contests, doing really sick

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-18 Thread Randy Bush
you gotta love the amsix hkg charlie foxtrot. and how is that working out financially for the amsix members, the folk in the amsterdam area the amsix purportedly serves, niels? randy

common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Martin T
Hi, many Internet exchange points post publicly available graphs which describe aggregated traffic volumes on IX. For example: Netnod: http://www.netnod.se/ix-stats/sums/ AMS-IX: https://www.ams-ix.net/technical/statistics LINX: https://www.linx.net/pubtools/trafficstats.html Is there a common

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013, Martin T wrote: Is there a common method to count this traffic on a switch-fabric? Just read all the switch interface packets input counters with an interval to get the aggregated input traffic and read all the switch interfaces packets output counters to get the

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 17/09/2013 11:52, Martin T wrote: Is there a common method to count this traffic on a switch-fabric? Just read all the switch interface packets input counters with an interval to get the aggregated input traffic and read all the switch interfaces packets output counters to get the

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 17, 2013, at 07:02 , Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 17/09/2013 11:52, Martin T wrote: Is there a common method to count this traffic on a switch-fabric? Just read all the switch interface packets input counters with an interval to get the aggregated input traffic and read all

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Martin T
Thanks for all the replies! Nick, counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes and output bytes on all the ports facing the IX members are already counted, then counting traffic on links between the switches in fabric will count some of the traffic

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 17/09/2013 14:43, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: And yes, DE-CIX is more than well aware everyone thinks this is .. uh .. let's just call it silly for now, although most would use far more disparaging words. Which is probably why no serious IXP does it. It's not silly - it's just not what

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:04 , Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 17/09/2013 14:43, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: And yes, DE-CIX is more than well aware everyone thinks this is .. uh .. let's just call it silly for now, although most would use far more disparaging words. Which is probably why

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:11 , Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the replies! Nick, counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes and output bytes on all the ports facing the IX members are already counted, then counting

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Tom Taylor
On 17/09/2013 2:15 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:11 , Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the replies! Nick, counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes and output bytes on all the ports facing the IX

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 9/17/2013 2:51 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 07:11:23PM +0300, Martin T wrote: counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes and output bytes on all the ports facing the IX members are already counted, then

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 07:11:23PM +0300, Martin T wrote: counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes and output bytes on all the ports facing the IX members are already counted, then counting traffic on links between the

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Niels Bakker
In a message written on Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 07:11:23PM +0300, Martin T wrote: counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes and output bytes on all the ports facing the IX members are already counted, then counting traffic on links between the

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Michael Hallgren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 17/09/2013 20:15, Patrick W. Gilmore a écrit : Hi, Good reading, to get an idea: https://www1.ethz.ch/csg/people/dimitroc/papers/p95pam.pdf Section 3, mainly. Cheers, mh -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux)

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Michael Hallgren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 17/09/2013 20:15, Patrick W. Gilmore a écrit : On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:11 , Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the replies! Nick, counting traffic on inter-switch links is kind of cheating, isn't it? I mean if input bytes

Re: common method to count traffic volume on IX

2013-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
somehow, a serious case of testosterone poisoning combined with insane goal drift has hit a number of the large european exchanges. instead of the goal being how well they serve their local communities, they have gone wild with sleazy means of having traffic contests, doing really sick attempts